The matchup is a even IMO. However if I’d have to say anyone has an advantage its chun. But its very slight. I’d say its like 5.1-4.9
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i actually think he fights her well enough on the ground. the dive kick is just an extra if she wants to keep sweeping
her mp and hp lose clean to low forward. her sweep is good, but she cant throw it out for free with dive kicks being in play. far rh naturally misses him a lot just because he’s short. plus he walks just as fast as she does.
she cant zone him if he has meter etc. i like his wake up over hers, and i think he gets more offensive opportunities than she does. i see yang completely dictating the pace of the match and chun just trying to keep away. the only clear cut advantage i see her having is raw damage output
Well, I’ve pretty much only been focusing on Rolento so I naturally think she’s pretty good. She definitely gives my character trouble, but in general I would put her in upper-mid tier. She has problems on wakeup and her anti airs aren’t as good as I think they should be, but I think she is pretty solid so far.
Take this with a grain of salt though, because unlike Rolento/Hugo she isn’t bad enough to make a fairly accurate statement out of the gate, and she doesn’t get as much play as those characters either so it may take some time to form an accurate opinion.
blocked slash > focus bait cr.mk > backdash > u2 the fireball Kappa, ok this doesn’t really help the matchup but you get swag points.
Her low medium attacks and cr.lk both out prioritize Yang’s cr.mk.
The match does not come down to wake up pressure at all. She has a better ground game that’s more damaging and if you whiff an uppercut she can do loops on you for 300+ damage every time no meter.
what chun players poke with her low mediums like ever in life? especially the kicks. they got no range. you see low short when people mash it, and cr.mk/cr.mp when she wants to low profile
im not saying the match boils down to wake up either. im saying if you make a check list, yang has an advantage there. i disagree with her ground game doing more damage as well. she pokes with mediums and heavys for 60-100, yang pokes with low forward rekka for 180+ and he converts to more with meter.
damage differential from pokes is a big reason why i dont think she has a clear advantage on the ground. the buttons are nice, but they either lose to his best button or are dive kick bait.
i agree that she does have really good punish damage, but i dont see her having enough advantages anywhere else for the match to push to even
good chuns use cr.mk all the time. its actually a really good poke upclose it out prioritizes a lot and its extremely easy to option select into super or ex legs. Not to mention how good it is as a frame trap.
her pokes lead to decent damage. st.mp ex legs, cr.mk ex legs thats ultimately more consistent than what yang goes for in this match. You cant use resets on her because one of the few good things about ex sbk is that it blows up resets, and thats where yangs bigger damage comes from.
back medium kick goes over yangs low moves and is easy to use as a footsie tool if you know your ranges. If you just throw out cr.mk as yang you WILL get blown up.
her loops dont have to be pure punish either, it can be a counter hit focus, normal focus or as corner pressure. if you block she has great frametraps after, if you dont block, she gets 300+ damage easy.
Ive literally never heard of any chun li player struggling in this match. The chun li community is very vocal and active on facebook. They bitch about almost everything. Yang is one of the things that nobody really ever brings up.
I can confirm that Chun’s cr.mk is deceptively good. Good Chun players own my soul with that move.
Always wondered why people always compare Yun and Yang like you should pick the better one. Yang plays nothing like Yun, at all. You don’t even need to use Yangs dive kick a hell of a lot.
Yang requires a lot more patience , its a totally different experience.
Yang seems like more of the “React to the situation, plan ahead and take advantage” kind of character
Yun is the “Push buttons until I win” character.
Jokes aside. I don’t like the comparisons either, they play completely differently where it matters.
also chuns cr.mp is one of the best pokes in the game in terms of “priority”
it functions as an anti air and a great move to stop forward moving specials. Even the Yun matchup becomes significantly easier for chun if she makes use of cr.mp to stop forward moving specials. Good chuns know that cr.mp basically kills dudley too.
even if you think yang has the advantage I cant imagine it being anything significant enough to really say that he “wins” the match. Even with the advantage that I think Chun has I would just call that even.
Well, people only compare Yun and Yang because they both have a divekick, and are twins characters.
If we had them as two totally different characters look and story wise, nobody would compare them like that.
Yeah they would. They share a ton of normals with similar properties and some specials with similar properties.
Both of them have the same basic versions of these moves (E.G. “shoto differences” where it’s enough to differentiate them but still the same basic thing)
Dashes (forward and back)
close LK
closeMK
close MP
close HP
far LK
far MK
far MP (yang’s looks SLIGHTLY different than yun’s)
crouching LK
crouching MK
F+MK - spinning hop kick overhead (Shared also by the “fat twin” Rufus)
ALL air normals (only differences are that on NJMP and FJ MP/HP Yang does an open handed spear poke while Yun does a fist. Otherwise it’s the same)
sMP - B+HP - HP target combo (slightly dif animations but nearly identical)
Dive kicks
Palm strikes (slightly different animations and uses but basically the same overall concept and design)
Flip over command throw
There is a FUCK TON of stuff the same about Yun/Yang that people would compare the two. The gameplans are different enough that comparisons are hard to take seriously but they still share a ton in common.
Most of it is really tied to the fact that they share character model.
Yun and Yang were a palet swap at first, they created Yang later. It’s kind of the same story as Cammy Decapre but less extreme.
cr mp seems to own viper’s low thunder knuckles. just the right range.
I know. Doesn’t change the fact that if they had the same moves they have now but a different story / art design people would still compare them because many of their moves are extremely similar beyond JUST the dive kick.
There’s no point in comparing their strength though, in comparison to each other or opponents. Its not relevant unless you prefer a specific style of play.
No reason to compare Akuma and Ryu either but people do. People compare Deejay and Guile and they are WAY more dissimilar than Yun/Yang.
Not saying it’s not dumb, just saying it’s gonna happen regardless and that the idea that if they looked different it wouldn’t happen is unlikely at best.
While Akuma and Ryu are different characters it isn’t obvious how different their ground game is till you play both of them. So on the surface they are a little more comparable.
Yun and Yang on the other hand are night and day.
This. His dive float is better in the footsie game rather than trying to get in. I say float because that slow thing is NOT a kick.
Also Yang does give Dudley a lot of problems. He can’t answer the cr.mk so well in the footsie game and Yang can put the pressure on him.