Dudley buffs and the game engine fits in Dudley’s favor. May switch to him IDK. Looking for a new character. Easily top 10 characters. I think if we had a huger playerbase for SF, you would see alot of Dudleys. Or maybe his execution was easier.
Now that the big EVO Tourney is over with. (I went and competed it was fun) Everyone is comparing results to the JP tier list for the most part. Comparing accuracies and discrepancies.
Guy isn’t doing it for me. Probably has alot to do with my playstyle with Guy.
Do you guys agree that Guy is where he is in the JP Tier list? Guy players tell me he is at least top 15 but they biased.
Also is Balrog really that good?
This is all conjectures though but at least this tier list and the EVO tourney gives us all some basis for in-depth discussion.
Japan has always rated Guy low, no matter what (I heard they rated him top 5 during arcade build. He loses the 2F EX Tatsu now he is suddenly C tier again). I’ve never heard a good explanation for why though, they rarely explain their reasons behind tiers afaik. Also don’t forget that chart is sorted alphabetically within tiers. Ryu isn’t considered worse than Blanka for instance, it’s just B comes before R.
As for “game engine fits in dudley’s favor” I’d like to hear you explain this one. I don’t see how the game engine works for his playstyle of high lows and meaties. Focus attacks, FADCable reversals, invincible backdashes, and a footsie game that is heavy based on long reaching lows or jab pressure. Those are all things that DON’T work well with Dudley’s playstyle. The only thing that he has that does work in his favor is that having a confirmable low high game means he doesn’t HAVE to have a knockdown for Oki and he has some of the highest damage output in neutral situations. Otherwise Dudley is generally speaking working well DESPITE the game engine.
Some of his buffs were specifically to address the fact his style doesn’t work well with SF4 engine. F+HP causing a knockdown on air hit gave him a strong backdash OS (though due to 13F startup it doesn’t work vs fast backdashes). Short Swing Blow throw invincible through active frames help make up for his lack of a hop kick type move or instant dive kick that beats both crouchtech and stand tech (typically SSB moves out of the way fast enough to deal with most crouch techs and now will beat delayed stand tech as well as being only -2F on block). F+HK comboing from juggles gave him a way to combo to hard knockdowns (something he previously lacked which hurt his Oki.) crMK faster startup gave him a better way to punish lows in footsies. Victory Rose gave him better knockdown pressure without having to worry as much about reversals.
These all targeted things that SF4 hurts in Dudley’s game.
From the small bit of Sagat I’ve played it always seemed like a great normal. Seems pretty under-utilized all around.
As far as Ken goes, the only characters that give him trouble IMO are Fei and Adon (and maybe Guile and Blanka but I think those are more personal bad matchups than anything), neither of which are terrible. He has what feels like a lot of 5-5’s across the board, so I doubt he’ll ever be considered top in this game, but I think that also makes him a great character for tournament play. His walk speed buffs really smoothed out a lot of his problem matchups in 2012, like Gief for example.
The anti anti rose force is way more annoying. Your character is actually pretty good now. So stop trying to undersell your character like you’re playing Dan or something.
eventhubs translated a 4gamer interview with luffy. Only particularly interesting bits are that he feels that the Rose - Zangief MU is actually in Gief’s favor and that he feels Ryan Hart understands the Rose matchup better than Bonchan
I called bullshit the second I saw that too… Snake Eyez got close to beating him. He doesn’t want to admit that maybe just maybe Snakeeyez is a better player than him.
To be fair, the fact that SnakeEyes, the guy that trains every week with FilipinoMan, knows the MU better than Luffy doesn’t mean he is a better player overall.
He definitely knows the MU, but SnakeEyes certainly has more hands on experience vs imo the best Rose in the US and this is an advantage. With that said, i don’t agree with Luffy that this MU is in Gief’s favor but i only have a little experience using Gief and no Rose experience at all so what do i know.
