I wonder why Louffy thinks the Gief matchup is in favor of Gief
As soon as I read that he thinks the Gief/Rose matchup is in Gief’s favor, I stopped reading the interview. I could be overreacting, but this just makes me feel like he’s one of those players who underrates their character.
it’s not really rocket science to hit roundhouse against gief
to me yeah
I don’t agree with Luffy on the Gief-Rose matchup but I do think people overrate her in the matchup. She has the advantage but it’s not free.
It’s not 2012 Blanka/Hawk levels of free, but it is in her favor by a pretty large margin. This is one of those matchups I would call a REAL 6-4, not a fake 6-4 that SF4 players love to throw around for some reason.
What I mean by real 6-4, is a matchup that is definitely bad and you need to play extremely well to pull off a win, but not quite as hopeless as a 7-3.
yeah a 6-4 in a 3/5 is tough to win against an equally skilled player.
stolen from loyalsol
http://i.imgur.com/WfKtudo.png
when people say a 6-4 is “mostly even” i laugh a bit. why i like .5’s
Why am I doing point blank spiral into ex spiral and not getting punished? I shouldn’t even be able to make it to the ex. Yeah, she’s gonna stay “top tier”.
Luffy can make just as good a claim to be the best in the world with his character. Why is it so “obvious” the SnakeEyes is a better player than him?
It’s just my personal belief.
I also don’t like how Luffy routinely downplays his character.
Fei is “even”, then beats fei 80%-90% of the time for years against world class players. I think there is just a lack of honesty there.
If that is what rose’s even and bad matchups look like I want to know what a good one looks like.
I kinda dislike that too, but to be fair he might be saying that so capcom wouldnt target her with the nerf hammer.
I’m pretty sure I saw quite a few pros complaining about their characters before the release/saying they will drop them and then still sticking and even claiming the buffs were good after the release.
I might be beating the dead horse with the capcom and their nerfing process, but capcom pretty much makes it look that way with sagat/dee jay nerfs.
People have to defend their characters in the eyes of capcom from bitching thats why most of the players have to defend their characters and say they’re weak.
SnakeEyes was also claiming that Ken vs Gief was in Ken’s favor back in v2012. Was he trying to downplay his character? Sometimes pros have a different opinion than the majority and you have every right to agree or disagree with it. Attaching another indirect meaning to that opinion though, is not the most objective thing to do.
Xian pretty much steam rolled tournaments.
Xian admitted Gen was cheap.
Xian did it wrong. 
Dieminion said Guile was strong
Guile got nerfed.
Dieminion did it wrong.
Yun army are frauds.
Yun army complain about Yun while not even maining him.
Yun got buffed.
Yun army did it right and still can’t win.
Snake Eyez has a history of actually being pretty open about what he thinks of the character, and he’s able to let arguments and results color his opinion. He was of the opinion that Gief mauled Abel for a long time until he got beat by Mike Chow at SCR 2011 and actually sat down and analyzed the matchup, and now he hates Abel even if he thinks the matchup is even.
After AE dropped I had a long talk with him about the SPD range buff and Ball nerf effecting Gief vs. Blanka, and we basically came to the conclusion that it was probably an even matchup, and both sides were playing it nor optimally.
I don’t know about the Ken matchup in particular, but I know he’s not fond of projectile characters as Gief and on paper that makes sense. Nothing about Gief beating Rose makes sense on paper.
Luffy has been accused by the French for years of downplaying Rose, and just mauls people and says his character loses to them or is even.
Well if Luffy is known for doing that, then he should have mained Cammy for 2 years before Ultra dropped.
Ken vs. Zangief has always been in Ken’s favor. That’s hardly a controversial opinion.
Edit: Boned quote tags.
5-5 in Ultra, 6-4 in Gief’s favor in 2012 edition.
I agree with SnakeEyez in most matchup numbers but I didn’t talk to him about the Ken matchup when I discussed all this stuff with him. Looks like I disagree with him there.
The spacing he had was perfect, Rose players like to throw out slide a lot to bait SPD’s and punish with backdash into cr.MP, st.HK, cr.HK or Ultra 1 but he didn’t attempt it once thanks to Snake Eyez’s spacing which I assume he took in order to make slide whiff and punish it with spd on whiff, which is what I do in the matchup a lot. That fireball FADC backdash into U1 to bait EX GH’s is a trick that not many Rose players use in the matchup but should. I don’t know, I guess it’s the little things he did that I nitpick. The dude knows the matchup.
Oh yeah for sure Luffy played great, his spacing was definitely on point. Not trying to discount him.
I’m just saying that gief has to also have that immaculate spacing and the onus is on Gief to make a move where it’s not for Rose.
The notion that Zangief beats any shoto-type baffles me since they can take full advantage of all of SF4’s engine quirks while he’s relegated to playing footsies with admittedly good normals that unfortunately can’t be converted to meaningful damage. I know where it originates from (an early IPlayWinner matchup chart that was created by a handful of top players, where Zangief was ranked way too high), but it’s one of those accepted wisdom things that has always had me scratching my head.
Its possible that his opponents arent playing people who are as good as him. Not a lot of people play Rose and even less are even good with her. So he DOES have an advantage even if he matchup on paper is even.
The Euro players def have exp vs. him though.
Snake Eyez has the other Rose who got top 16 at evo to play against, etc.