USF4 | Tier List Thread (updated October 2015)

the last hit won’t hit at max range if you cancel into the move or the other hits are blocked even, but you can space it enough to be safe and thats all that matters. The hits of the move are somewhat spaced out and cause pushback individually.

idk spend 3 minutes in training mode, not that hard

you are right. but you can still find the way to do it. i think its near the end of the first hits range.

all the hits push back the same length. i dont own the game i can only hypothesize. i have also seen it.

also, you guys didnt mean to be this way, i understand; but answer kindly.

Yeah I tested it and I could always reversal hp uppercut punish with Ken.

you’re really bad at using training mode then

Ok.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8bXCxp0Fps

OK can we move on?

Every hit causes pushback. Hitting the first hit at a different spacing will cause the subsequent hits to land farther away.

Also “not a great habit”. Who wants meter building, chip, and to reset spacing to where your opponent is scared to hit buttons as you will be in range to whiff punish them/outhitbox them? I mean if you never end your strings in anything you’re probably giving up a 3 digits of damage per round and 2 ex bars.

Being -3 and creating uncertainty after the move is blocked is probably bad though. Not like anyone else does that with a move that doesn’t even true blockstring from his normals.

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/im5PjpM.jpg

which is why the scumbag tactic hands dp doesnt even make sense. if you space it correcty you just whiff punish if they keep pressing buttons after

i know ive mentioned it like18 times, but i hate sloppy scummy play

i like to ex scramble after blocked hands and sometimes that can lose to far range slow buttons, so sometimes if i get stuffed or notice someone hitting those after a blocked hands i will dp after the hands. But i need the read for it.

Can’t Ken kara dp? I’m sure I’ve hit her even at max distance.

Ah well, I can’t check right now so maybe next time I go on.

kara dp is 4f hands is -3, the other person was mashing

Damn you James Chen and your info!

Does anyone think Ibuki is less than top 10? For me she’s joined the likes of Yun, Viper, and E.Ryu as characters I feel like can’t be worse than 10th

Hell no.

Ibuki players, at least most of them. Then again a large percentage also think she doesn’t have good footsies and also haven’t invested time into finding DWU setups. They are waiting for the handful of players who share to tech and setups to come up with stuff for them to copy paste into their phones.

i thought ibuki was top 10 already and most of the characters ahead of her got nerfed.

Huh. I think she’s top 5 most likely. I’m pretty sure most Ibuki players feel that way.

Maybe bias because of her unfavorable/terrible matchups?
The omnipresent Dictators, swarm of Yuns 'n Roses… not implying they’re right though, should easily be in a top10, based on the general performance.

[e] Ibuki, Abel & Makoto’s placements were always my favorites.

most? I doubt it. Most didn’t even think she was top 10 in AE2012. Unless you mean “most intelligent ibuki players” in which cause, yeah maybe.