Infiltration’s logic on choosing Hakan is simple…he was trying to random out Fuudo with gimmicks and it didn’t work out. He knew he couldn’t do it on skills and fundamentals.
Are you serious?
Well, he was already getting crushed at that point. Maybe he thought the same thing with rog, break up the momentum, with a diff character, fan service is nice too.
I didn´t see the match, but I know, they have played only one game, when it was 6-4 for Fuudo. The thing about Infiltration is, I don´t really like the way he plays and uses Hakan. Great space control, great use of the airthrow, but does hardly use any setup . Having good knowledge about the character specific stuff and setups is imo important, in this matchup even more.
Concerning the Fei vs Hakan matchup, it is pretty much even, could be a bit in Fei´s advantage, but Hakan fights him really well. Also safe slides work well against Fei and he has a good ambiguous setup into another hard knockdown, after a BnB combo. Fei´s Rekkas are far reaching and can punish oil up attempts very well. Keep in mind it is not a big issue to take a bit damage to stay oiled, don´t do it always lol. I mean, it also really depends, how the match evolves, just this is a generally thing about Hakan. The gameplan mainly revolves of keeping the oil, which can be achived through various hard knockdowns possibilities, side effect are mixup opportunities. As long as Hakan manages to keep the oil, he has good chances to win tbh.
About the switch to Hakan vs Fuudo, Bypostman is imo very accurate, additionaly Hugo101 isn´t simply on Infil´s skill level, so made things easier for him.
About Hakan and gimmicks: “Facepalm”.
Nerves might have been a thing too.
I mean, when you’re winning 4-1 and suddenly your opponent comes back and takes 5 straight games in a FT7, you might be a bit shook.
No idea what Fuudo started doing differently, I got on just as Infiltration was winning 4-1. Whatever it was, it worked.
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There was two people paying attention to Infiltration (Momochi and Fuudo)… Infiltration was the only one paying attention to Fuudo. The effect of coaching is a lot more significant than people realize. You have another person pointing out you and your opponents bad habits/weaknesses while receiving advice on how to handle it or what to stop doing.
Laugh might be like Bill belicheck or something, you can’t just lose someone like that and expect to have the same level of success.
Coaching at high level is pretty insignificant…you act like these players have no self awareness and need other people to tell them their bad habits. At low level, that may be true…at high level, not really.
Also, assuming you did have a bad habit that your coach pointed out mid match/set, it wouldn’t be very easy to stop doing that habit, especially if your coach just told you and you have one minute until the next match. A coach might be able to point out some particular unblockable or gimmick that the player is unaware of, but at that level, most players should know all of that stuff already.
Coaching at high level is overrated, I think it has almost no effect…
Ah thanks oilforthewin. So it’s not such a terrible matchup then a 6-4 worse case seems like. I do agree that his Hakan just seems very rudimentary in the sense he seems to react with the proper counter and just tries to outpoke his opponent (if he actually was using gimicky setups he’d be a lot better ironically). I don’t believe these player would invest their time on a random toon. So by that logic Hakan must be a hard counter for some of Akuma’s worst match (the opponents unfamiliarity just being a bonus).
I hope you’re just trolling Emil cause your opinions seems very biased. Listen to Robert Downey Jr’s advice to Ben Stiller. Not sure what the exact lifetime record between Fuudo vs Infil is but I bet it’s pretty close to 50-50. People are ragging about Infil’s shoddy defense but the only time he was getting blown up was from mid range focus attacks (something he’ll go study and adjust) and random cammy ambiguous setups (which let’s be honest would hit almost anyone else as well). His reaction speed is still impeccable, at this level of play it really could have been momochi’s coaching that made the difference. Coaching is a funny thing, just like other disciplines out there, it all depends on the person. Some people just react much better to it while others don’t. As James Chen pointed out before I think Laugh was the scientist and Infil was just much better executing. I firmly believe that it has made him weaker. Infil’s problem isn’t his reactions, he just needs better strategy as people have mostly figured out his akuma setups (as showcased by Dakou). He just needs to find better players around him. A trip to Japan would do him good since that’s the only place where he could engage with several top tier players.
Um has Infiltration and Laugh buried the hatchet from Evo?
Sure mate, to add some things: Hakan´s stuff isn´t that much different than other characters in this game, just add the oil mechanism. Yet the stuff of these characters never gets called gimmicks lol. Even Hakan´s U2 is seen as a gimmick . Also the thing about some of his gimmicks is(Example: Oil Dive setups used outside of SPD range is certainly a bad choice, otherwise in SPD range or after blocked normals actually really good), even if they know, how to deal with it, things aren´t going to get better. Oil Dives for example whiffs on crouchers, you can use a crouching normal on your wakeup to avoid this, then the opponent has to deal with other meaty attacks or Hakan just oils up. Atleast Hakan´s tools are effective, unlike others in this game.
Regarding coaching, I’m not trolling. Not only do I think coaching has little to not effect at high level, but emphasizing Laugh so much really downgrades Infiltration as a player.
I miss Emil in the Marvel forums.
Come back and dickride Nemo some more.
Wasn´t Nemo owned by Mexicans at EVO in both games?
Then why do it at all if it has little to no effect. What if that “little effect” is a matter of winning or losing your next game? Why did Xian even bother to sit next to Gackt? Why Momochi with Fuudo?
Do you think you would be just as good if you lost the person who wrote all your notes, gave match up advice and practiced with you for 10 hours a day?
http://wao.blog.eonet.jp/default/2013/11/a3wao-caea.html
Wao talking about Latif, Fuudo(seems like), Sako, Haitani and more, according to google translator. Is there any possibility to get a proper Japanese translation here?
Everyone can use some coaching. It has nothing to do with technique. It has everything to do with adrenaline, mental knots and blind spots that occur in a highly competitive environment. Muhammad Ali had a coach in his corner, and so do the MMA champions. Are they incompetent? No, that’s why they have the belt. Can Ali’s coach REALLY teach him anything that Ali himself wouldn’t know? Or course not.
But there you are, you showed up with a gameplan that you trained for. But the adrenaline hits, and as your strategy starts to not work so well you get angry, frustrated and lose focus. You start to feel disoriented, and your game begins to fall apart. In poker this is called a “tilt”. In combat sports, it’s called “when you’re too fucking stupid to listen to your corner”.
Coaching is a BIG aspect of high-tension competitive sports. A coach keeps you grounded, points out things you might be taking a tad too long to realize/adapt to, and also can see what you do from a neutral perspective. Shit, sometimes YOU don’t even realize what you’re doing wrong.
I don’t compete anymore but when I used to, 95% of the time you don’t rise to the occasion, you fall back on default, and that voice shouting out from the corner of the mat telling you what you fucking know and trained 20000 times really -does- make things fall into place.
And to illustrate the point I can cite what I think was a flagrant example of this: the Ixion x Infiltration matchat Dreamhack. Ixion got lamed out so hard on the first fight that I thought he’d have an aneurysm. There is NOTHING Dan can do against Akuma’s backjump fireball -> teleport game. Maybe if you read minds you can punish teleport like, once. Maybe.
The ONLY thing that MIGHT be of assistance is Ultra 1. Everyone knows that. Literally, everyone. Well, Ixion unimaginably stuck with Ultra 2. After the first match was over he had been completely shut down and he just pressed rematch.
Meanwhile every halfassed Dan player in the world watching that was slapping his/her forehead and going WTF Ix!
Much later Ixiontold me that it didn’t even occur to him. Only after the match was over his friends came over to him and said dude wtf and he facepalmed himself.
What we have here is 1. the best player in the world with a character 2. being completely shut down 3. continue on autopilot towards his defeat when 4. the answer was right in front of him 5. and he knew it 6. and so did everyone else but 7. it never even crossed his mind.
If Ixion had had a coach there, hell, if he had anyone there, he would have been snapped out of his adrenaline trance ( he was playing the world champion at the time, that shit is no joke) and been able to look at other possibilities.
Mind you this wasn’t some random shit, this was basic stuff that should have been FLAGRANT due to the fact that he was otherwise completely shut down and there was really only ONE answer to it, which he KNEW and had used literally thousands of times before.
Coaching is a HUGE leg up on the competition. If this doesn’t make it clear to you, I don’t know what will.
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If I win my first match I’m up vs Justin Wong.
W-wish me luck…