Updated SSF4 Akuma Matchup Thread (2011)

[superlollo]

Poked around the Cammy forum, and the only interesting tidbit I found was:
-Wakeup DPs will whiff if Cammy does EX Spin Knuckle. I think this would only come up if we knocked Cammy down and she only had a few pixels of health left, but it’s good to know.

this was probably already known by most, but it’s really nice from you to go look around and keep the thread updated! Good work!

[osiriskidd]

Dive Kicks can’t beat the magic lariat, the best you can do is mix-up your timing to throw off theirs.

its beatable if its right on his skull.
unless hes REALLY good at timing it and gets the shoulder bash of the lariat off, but like always vary the timing i guess?

[Gamogo]

Some general matchup information from the Capcom blog VS Yun and Yang:

Though both Yun and Yang have the Raigekishuu (Dive Kick), which they can use as a starting point for attacks in a variety of ways, the hitbox is unusually small, while the hittable box is unusually large. With a simple strategy of attacking with Dive Kick, there’s the risk of the move simply being stuffed, depending on the opponent’s attack.

For those on the defensive side, we recommend countering using moves like light normals with high points of attack, and medium normals with high priority.

? If his Dive Kick is blocked at the head, Yun’s frame disadvantage is at -8 to -4.
? Blocked at the waist, Yun is -3 to +0.
? Blocked at the feet, Yun is at +0 to +4.

If you can skillfully aim for the feet, Yun will be at an advantage after the block.

About Yang’s Sei’ei Enbu (Super move)

Sei’ei Enbu: A Super Combo where, following an attack from Yang, every ten frames, the shadows will attack an additional two times. Since Main attacks and shadow attacks have different properties, we’ll discuss them a bit. Main attacks generally have the same properties as normal attacks. Exceptions include Close Hard Punch and Crouching Hard Punch, which do slightly different amounts of damage.

Shadow attacks do about 1/4 of the damage of the main attack, and do no (dizzy) stun, even if the hit lands. Also, all shadow attacks counts as upper-body attacks, so you can block them from both a standing and crouching guard. Furthermore, Shadow Level 3 Focus Attacks are blockable, and shadow throws won’t connect.

Though (depending on its use) Sei’ei Enbu is a Super capable of doing massive amounts of damage, since there is scaling as the hits of a combo increase, we suggest knocking the opponent down during one combo and attacking again from wakeup.

Credit for the Blog translation goes to ‘USD’ on Neogaf.

While playing AE lately I’ve noticed many people stuffing their dive kicks with fs.lk and cs.lp (Ryu and Dhalsim). I don’t have the balls to do this as a bad guess = 1/4 of my health but I’m going to start applying Capcom’s advice to see what kind of mileage I can get from it.

The dive kicks are insanely effective but evidently are quite manageable to stop provided you develop some familiarity with when to plug in a standing normal.

[DevilKnight]

While playing AE lately I’ve noticed many people stuffing their dive kicks with fs.lk and cs.lp (Ryu and Dhalsim). I don’t have the balls to do this as a bad guess = 1/4 of my health but I’m going to start applying Capcom’s advice to see what kind of mileage I can get from it.

It’s easier to apply with Ryu because his normals on average have 3+ active frames where-as Akuma normals are 2s virtually across the board. (Ryu far LK active 6 frames against Akuma’s 2)

[Sarda]

Quick and simple question: If done right Demon Flip Grab should grab Dhalsim on his wake up before he can slide out of it, right?

[Gamogo]

Quick and simple question: If done right Demon Flip Grab should grab Dhalsim on his wake up before he can slide out of it, right?

I play this matchup a lot. This is extremely difficult to do if you are trying to intentionally grab before he performs a wake-up slide.

Additionally, Sim can perform wake-up EX upflame to really ruin your day. Go for other options (cross-over palm whiff is really good VS Sim) or at least mix your approach up enough so that you can snatch a flip grab on his wake-up every blue moon. That is, train him to be wary about sliding or performing anything on wake-up so that you can land the odd flip grab for free.

[Gamogo]

• Second hit of fs.hk whiffs on E. Ryu just like on regular Ryu on block
• lk tatsu > sweep doesn’t appear possible

[Moody_Steve]

Here are some more nuggets of info from other character threads (I didn’t find much of interest in the Chun Li thread, that matchup seems to boil down to fundamentals and knowing when Chun has down charge for EX SBK)
Cody
-Cody is at frame disadvantage [-3] on hit when his overhead attacks connects on a crouching opponent - if Cody is close enough, this should leave time for a st. LP or cr. LP into sweep/combo.
-Teleport is a good defensive wakeup option until Cody has U2 loaded
-EX Criminal Upper is throw invincible

Dan
-Dan’s LK Knee can cross up Akuma at close range, if Akuma is crouching
-AA Demon only works if Dan has already thrown out a move in the air - otherwise he can change his direction with LK Knee
-Dan’s knees are not really punishable - MK/HK are only -2 on block, and LK actually gives him frame advantage, depending on where it hits.

[dr4gz0r]

• Second hit of fs.hk whiffs on E. Ryu just like on regular Ryu on block
• lk tatsu > sweep doesn’t appear possible

Man, this sucks. Out of 4 characters, we cannot neither Tatsu, sweep nor safely st.HK 3 of them.

And we don’t know about Oni yet… Hopefully he’s like Gouken…

[ShinAkuma204]

Here are some more nuggets of info from other character threads (I didn’t find much of interest in the Chun Li thread, that matchup seems to boil down to fundamentals and knowing when Chun has down charge for EX SBK)
Cody
-Cody is at frame disadvantage [-2] on hit when his overhead attacks connects on a crouching opponent - if Cody is close enough, this should leave time for a st. LP or cr. LP into sweep/combo.
-Teleport is a good defensive wakeup option until Cody has U2 loaded
-EX Criminal Upper is throw invincible

Dan
-Dan’s LK Knee can cross up Akuma at close range, if Akuma is crouching
-AA Demon only works if Dan has already thrown out a move in the air - otherwise he can change his direction with LK Knee
-Dan’s knees are not really punishable - MK/HK are only -2 on block, and LK actually gives him frame advantage, depending on where it hits.

How can you punish a -2 move with a 3 frame startup jab?

[West]

codys overhead is -3 on hit vs croucher

[dr4gz0r]

From Tokido’s blog:

Yun is very hard for my Akuma.
Yesterday my Akuma was destroyed by the member of Safari’s Yun club.lol
I already have an idea of counter pick against him.
I hope his dive kick is more slower in next edition.

Sounds scary… Do you think Yun might be that bad of a matchup?

Without a FADC’able Reversal it didn’t look that bad to me, but no Tatsu into Sweep, st.HK, huge damage potential and ways to punish teleports sure make things harder.

[C2Q]

Fighting sim makes me want to throw something at the screen. Such a lame ass character wow.

[LoyalSol]

Fighting sim makes me want to throw something at the screen. Such a lame ass character wow.

Patience grasshoper. Patience.

[C2Q]

Patience grasshoper. Patience.

Patience keeps me at one end of the screen and him at the other, exactly where he wants to be and where i dont

[DevilKnight]

• Second hit of fs.hk whiffs on E. Ryu just like on regular Ryu on block
• lk tatsu > sweep doesn’t appear possible

What’s up? you got access to those characters in Sydney?

[superlollo]

What’s up? you got access to those characters in Sydney?

He probably does, i’ve seen quite a few videos from australian players on youtube and they were playing oni and e.ryu

[Gamogo]

What’s up? you got access to those characters in Sydney?

Yep.

[DevilKnight]

Any impressions on the Evil Ryu match-up? Obviously it will be similar to the Ryu match but with some major differences.

They have the same life for one thing. Vortex will be a little more weird with him having great Shoryus (including jab) and a teleport to deal with.

Any idea of what his Shaku is like compared to Akumas? start-up, damage, recovery?

If it’s not too sick, EX Flip should see Akuma have a good control of the fireball game. I’d guess Akuma would have an upper hand in footsies too. Is E.Ryu low forward difficult at all to deal with?

Considering Akuma cannot tatsu~sweep E.Ryu, I’d hope E.Ryu can’t tatsu~sweep Akuma.

[C2Q]

Any impressions on the Evil Ryu match-up? Obviously it will be similar to the Ryu match but with some major differences.

They have the same life for one thing. Vortex will be a little more weird with him having great Shoryus (including jab) and a teleport to deal with.

Any idea of what his Shaku is like compared to Akumas? start-up, damage, recovery?

If it’s not too sick, EX Flip should see Akuma have a good control of the fireball game. I’d guess Akuma would have an upper hand in footsies too. Is E.Ryu low forward difficult at all to deal with?

Considering Akuma cannot tatsu~sweep E.Ryu, I’d hope E.Ryu can’t tatsu~sweep Akuma.

i think it will just be similar to an akuma mirror, except with a ryu ultra lol.