That’s my bad. I will just keep at it and check the other posts.
Don’t feel bad, I’ve been playing Fuerte since late 2008 but I’m only up to 3 hits.
YES!!! I tried it in the hard trial 5 and i now see what people mean by “rhythm not speed” hahaha i got like second try.
I now know how to get past that two hit brick wall. Thanks to everyone. And to you Paper, I needed a kick of reality. I feel s much better about my rsf practice now.
Hola amigos!
I am very new using el fuerte and of course RSF, I am trying to use el fuerte now because I have plans to use it on SSFIV, so I just started now with him, I hope that RSF keeps untouched.
(s.HP close high punch)
well. I have problems on RSF because lot of times s.HP ~~ habanero dash does not come out, this happend too sometimes using only s.HP ~~ slide
So,
What is the exact moment to launch habanero dash after s.HP?
do you buffer it?
is negative edge a good way here?
An easier way to do it?
Muchas gracias 
I would not advise Negative edge for RSF, you’d just be over-complicating it. The first thing I reccomend is practice FP xx run xx HK.
Get that down first THEN worry about RSF
From my experience, the MOMENT that your finger hits HP, start the motion for the dash. It should come out right after the punch, but keep practicing with the HP xx dash first.
Also, for anyone else wondering about the rhythm of RSF, I’ve noticed that the button sounds are EXACTLY like my speakers when someone calls my cell phone. Just a thought. :pleased:
Actually, the window for the input of your dash after the HP is pretty big. It’s long enough that you can even hit confirm the HP before hitting the button to run, or you can do it really fast, and both methods work.
The key is more consistency. My old man fingers get fatigued after the 3rd HP which slows them down, messing up my timing.
Finally starting to get the 3rd and fourth hits down. My problem is I either speed up the stop or slow down all together. Hard to keep that beat going for me for some reason.
A neat way to start RSF…
I started practicing the s.lp-s.lk-c.mk quick combo cancelled into a run then standard RSF, and I’ve found it’s starting to be a really nice way to start RSF. It’s a bit tricky to nail 100% of the time but I’ve found that in a lot of opportunities where a s.hp isn’t safe enough, jab is… erm, obviously. Ive been mixing it up with s.lk-c.lk-c.mk>RSF and even just c.lk-c.mk to start.
I’m up to 3-4 RSF almost 90% of the time, but my fingers just go crazy after that and I fuck up. I found using the method of assigning “run” specifically to mp, I found that it really helped me keep aware of what my fingers were doing.
I quite like the toward + mk roll into jab/short combo starter too, but the timing is too strict for my XBL scrubbery.
Thanks for your replies, it was me doing a fast/bad inputs and for that reason sometimes I failed to start habanero dash. Now i am more consistent.
Yes, same here, I am practicing RSF some days using lp instead, but testing yesterday using mp it works much better for me, since I can concentrate much more and seems to be that I have more control on my fingers/inputs.
Keep training!
I need to learn RSF before SSF4 comes out!
Will have to try this first.
I know more is usually better, but is there a general consensus as to the ideal number of fierces into slide? Or: Are 3 fierces into a slide adequate as far as stun/damage scaling are concerned?
More RSF development advice…
@ focra;
3 or 4 into slide is great, but more is ALWAYS better. I think the thing to do is be aware of the stun values for each character (as best you can), and try to keep track of how close you are to dizzying a character. Skisonic made a great post at the start of this thread about working out stun values, refer to that as specifics.
One thing I notice that keeps coming up is people posting about not being able to RSF, and the general impression I get is that people are assuming that this can be picked up in a couple hours or less. So, just for the benefit of those people and any who may post in the future…
RSF TAKES A LONG TIME TO LEARN. NOT AN HOUR OR TWO. TRY MONTHS. THINK ABOUT LEARNING RSF LIKE IT WAS LEARNING TO TYPE AT 40 WORDS A MINUTE OR LEARNING AN INSTRUMENT. IT’S ALL ABOUT MUSCLE MEMORY, PRESCISION, AWARENESS AND RHYTHM. KEEP AT IT, EVENTUALLY YOU’ll GET THERE!*
A couple more tips to help learn RSF (on top of the one from my last post…)
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HELP FOR BEGINNERS… When you’re first starting to learn RSF, start the combo with Run/Stop instead of FP. Starting with FP makes the rhythm of the combo feel like it’s a four beat loop, when really, it’s a three. It might feel harder to get the second hit this way but it’ll help develop your QCF timing and execution. It also gets you straight into the nitty gritty of the combo too, you dont have that easy free hit at the start which you shouldn’t count when you’re practicing, plus you wont have to change rhythm for the second hit. That’s what fucks people up when they first try it I think.
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THE RHYTHM MYTH… A lot of emphasis is placed on hitting the rhythm for the combo, but I found this advice has done me more harm than good in the long run. Getting the button and stick commands down to a point where you have control over what you’re doing and can slightly change your timing if needed is what you want to aim for. The timing between hits changes often and you really need to be aware of distance more than anything else. Regular rhythm helps get the technique down, but in application, turning into an arcade stick metronome wont work. I think if I’d though more about that initially, I’d be further forward now than I am.
3)MIX IT THE FUCK UP… try Run/Stop everything. Try keeping MP as your default run command and use everything around it. c.mk is the main one I’d try to learn as it gives you lots of opportunity to start RSF from a low hit. I’ve also noticed that using c.mk as a meaty attack leading to RSF can also work, (Does it count as Meaty? Hit 'em as they get up type thing?) but I’ve only tested it on xbl and I’m not sure if I got a lucky hit or I really snubbed out a wake-up). Also, generally speaking, its good for your execution. Any complicated practice is good practice… Oh, and practice on shotos as much as you can. If you can get to a point where 4 hits on Ryu is happening a lot, chances are you can get 10 on 'Gief. The best analogy I can think of for this experience is likening it learning the finer aspects of Snooker, and then taking what you know to the Pool table. The pockets are much bigger and the table is a lot shorter, my friends.
Also, don’t always finish with a slide. Try a splash/splashgrab or backdash splash/propellor mixup to complete, you get a nice damage reset with the throws. Sometimes I just backdash launch off the wall and back at em. Anything to vary your game and look scary. A big part of Fuerte’s game is the not knowing what the fuck he’s going to do next, and comfortably starting RSF whatever the situation or opportunity is key. Someone else on the forum has already said this but I really loved the way they put it… MAKE FUERTE SCARY!!
4)TIMESCALES… Stop worrying about 'em. If you can’t put the time in, and it does take a lot, maybe Elf ain’t your guy. Mindgames are, IMO, more important than RSF as they are the other 75% of a fight, but RSF IS THE TOOL that you need to REALLY UP YOUR GAME. Elf deserves the time and love. It seems like he’s very unpopular with casual players in general because he’s unorthodox and sometimes difficult to deal with, I get like 500% more people quit games early and send me smack messages when I play Fuerte, but there’s nothing quite as satisfying as knowing that you and you’re little latino buddy have totally ruined someones night, and that is what makes it all worthwhile.:encore:
PS. Apologies if anything above has already been stated in a better way elsewhere in this thread.
After working on it for a week on and off, I can finally hit 3. Not reliably and not at the level where I can use it in a match, but it’s something. I can hit two then a slide, which isn’t the worst punish in the world.
I’m not sure if I have the rhythm right though.
Would it be
:lp: :lp: :hp: pause :lp: :lp: :hp: pause
or
:lp: :hp: :lp: pause :lp: :hp: :lp: pause
Obviously with the quarter circles where they’re supposed to be. Hope this makes sense.
Ive always looked at it like the first one. Thats just for the reps though. Obviously you have to input the first :hp: in most cases before you begin the rhythm.
How do you guys feel about double tapping RSF?
Fierce, Jab, Jab, Fierce
I was watching a very good Fuerte player’s hands and it amazed me.
Thank You MilkyHoney.
That is a lot of useful shizz right there.
I was thinkin of pickin up other characters in SUPER but Fuerte is my guy. I can’t quit him.
And I just have to keep practicing to properly punish a baited dp w/o using grab or knee xx anti air.
Hi!
I have a rather okay time doing RSF during training mode. I probably get 3 hits 90% of the time. 4 hits @ 70%.
Increasing the maximum number of RSF I can comfortably perform is time consuming, but fun.
What I seem to have incredible trouble with is applying it in a match. I’m not aware of any other way than a focus crumple.
What are ways to fully take advantage of El Fuerte’s RSF in a match? OR How better can I land a focus crumple?
Alright, first thing is first. If you understand how RSF works but it isn’t coming out right. Here is my advice.
SLOW DOWN. I cannot stress this enough. It was my main hurdle. Everyone is saying do it fast but really it isn’t that fast. You are not doing Meterless Viper cancels here.
It should be like this. FP xx QCF LP SLIGHT PAUSE LP, FP
The slight pause is what screws a lot of people up I think. If you do it too fast you are going to be getting far HP and why it wont combo. You have to let him run for a sec.
I don’t have much else valuable to add, I’m not great on giving advice and most others have covered it.
But from my experience, just keep practicing, every time I jump online I spend a good 20-30 minutes practicing RSF in training mode. Ive been doing this for about a month now ( I usually play 3-5 times a week ) and its helped drastically.
Oh and when you start to implement it in matches be prepared to lose and eat alot of reversal dp’s and mashed ultra :rolleyes: