Unpopular gaming opinions SECOND IMPACT

[v1y]

1: All racing games suck
2: All sports games except winning eleven suck.
3: All pro wrestling and boxing games suck (any fighting game that pretends to be a simulation of the real thing)
4: No fighting game will ever match the completeness in VF4evo.

[HeaT]

I hate how people talk about the old school days like they were worth a damn. For every Zelda or SMB3 there were thousands of titles that were garbage, just like today. I understand nostalgia and rose-colored glasses, but at some point you need to stop fucking deluding yourself.

see here is the thing, when people talk like this, they talk about classics, and this applies to EVERY gen system…EVERY, like no joke, for every classic that was released there were a lot of titles that were bad…i think you need to stop deluding yourself…you can talk about ratios all you want but it wont change much…

im outi

Roberth

[soup_or_man]

The PSP has a better game library then the DS.

Wow. Way to bring it. That’s probably the least popular opinion in this thread.

[Cowboyday]

see here is the thing, when people talk like this, they talk about classics, and this applies to EVERY gen system…EVERY, like no joke, for every classic that was released there were a lot of titles that were bad…i think you need to stop deluding yourself…you can talk about ratios all you want but it wont change much…

im outi

Roberth

My problem with it is they think the fact that is it simply OLD has merit. That age has some intrinsic value because these are the games they played when they came home from elementary school when they were too dumb to know better.

[specs]

I can’t play VS. Too many cards too little money and too little friends to play with. And I don’t like playing with random people at card/comics shops. It’s a shame, too, cause I love CG’s. :tup:

I hear you buddy. I’m the same way; some guys at hobby shops are cool, but most are the kind of people I can’t be around for very long or fists will start flying. Also, I’m a fat dude and all, but good lord I’m skinny (and far less smelly) compared to those dudes, fuck.

[Murt]

Although the SF movie was a peice of shit, I am somewhat pleased that Ryu was played by an asian man

BD Joe is a far bigger coon ass mofo than Cole.

[_PFH_Lake]

Actually, there was probably more crap games on the old school systems then now. But the industry is still sad. Idiots keep feeding them money for half assed interactive movies. Yeah…that’s right (interactive movies). When I was young I honestly did not play my nes. Half of those games were better on arcade at your local boys and girls club imo.

If you want an unpopular opinion-I’d tier the systems based on apps. not specs: In order from left to right

QFT Tier:PS1-2/SNES/DC-Saturn/N64
High Tier:Gen/DS/360(DMC4 no ps3 $ spent, possible MGS4=win)
Mid Tier:GBA/Xbox (Ninja Gaiden)/GC(TOS/4 Swords/Ikaruga/SSBM)
Low Tier:GBC/NES/Sega CD
Garbage Tier:Virtual Boy/3D0/everything else

not really i grew up in the 80’s almost every game was good. Sure there were crappy games but not as much as now adays. Now adays almost everything is crap. Back then there were tons of good games if you grew up though the 80’s you’d know what im talking about. I can give a list of crappy games on 8bit nes if you want, and still it wouldnt be as bad as now adays.

Anyone who thinks 8nit nes is low tier shouldnt be a gamer and just stop playing video games.

[System_1]

Super Smash Bros. Melee is, aside from tournament balance, a perfect game, and Brawl will probably be one of, if not the best multiplayer game ever. The only reason SSBM had fucked up balance (Nowhere near as bad as MvC2 or 3s, but about half the cast is excluded from high-level play) is because the game was rushed, SSBB has already been in development for twice as long as SSBM was.

Fuck MvC2, I dislike most everything about the game. It was terribly made, the ‘balance’ of the game is pretty much to give everyone something far too good, and ‘balance by making everyone imbalanced.’ A game with almost 60 characters where like 8 are playable at high levels (Which is all the worse considering 3 at a time are on a team) is abominable, and the gameplay is tired. It represents everything I dislike about ‘traditional’ fighters except Guilty Gear- That almost all of the ‘skill’ in the game is based around memorizing and executing ridiculous combos and links, and that character balance is completely thrown out the window. Smash and Guilty Gear are FAR better games than MvC2, CvS2, 3s and pretty much any other 2d fighters. For the most part, it’s because the games are far more balanced, and the methods of attack/defense vary a great deal more than a few imbalanced moves and block high/block low/parry. Virtual Fighter is also a very well-made game, but I don’t find it very fun to play. The methods of attack/defense in Smash/GG/VF make the gameplay much more interesting, fun, and tournament-worthy. FUCK MvC2.

[DS]

Super Smash Bros. Melee is, aside from tournament balance, a perfect game, and Brawl will probably be one of, if not the best multiplayer game ever. The only reason SSBM had fucked up balance (Nowhere near as bad as MvC2 or 3s, but about half the cast is excluded from high-level play) is because the game was rushed, SSBB has already been in development for twice as long as SSBM was.

Fuck MvC2, I dislike most everything about the game. It was terribly made, the ‘balance’ of the game is pretty much to give everyone something far too good, and ‘balance by making everyone imbalanced.’ A game with almost 60 characters where like 8 are playable at high levels (Which is all the worse considering 3 at a time are on a team) is abominable, and the gameplay is tired. It represents everything I dislike about ‘traditional’ fighters except Guilty Gear- That almost all of the ‘skill’ in the game is based around memorizing and executing ridiculous combos and links, and that character balance is completely thrown out the window. Smash and Guilty Gear are FAR better games than MvC2, CvS2, 3s and pretty much any other 2d fighters. For the most part, it’s because the games are far more balanced, and the methods of attack/defense vary a great deal more than a few imbalanced moves and block high/block low/parry. Virtual Fighter is also a very well-made game, but I don’t find it very fun to play. The methods of attack/defense in Smash/GG/VF make the gameplay much more interesting, fun, and tournament-worthy. FUCK MvC2.

Hahahahahahahaahaha!!! Let’s disect this:

1. You don’t play Marvel because if you did, you’d know the game was centered around team dynamics. If Justin can win with Cap/Ken/Ruby, then the game is fairly good at high level with all characters in play. You just have to know what it is that you’re doing.

2. You never played ST. That is the definition of balance.

3. Let’s not go down the wrong path thinking GG is balanced. It is NOWHERE near balanced. That is a very common misconception. Face Eddie in AC, you will DIE. Real talk.

4. VF is fun to play, you just suck at it. Real talk.

[System_1]

Hahahahahahahaahaha!!! Let’s disect this:

1. You don’t play Marvel because if you did, you’d know the game was centered around team dynamics. If Justin can win with Cap/Ken/Ruby, then the game is fairly good at high level with all characters in play. You just have to know what it is that you’re doing.

If you are trying to say Marvel is at all balanced, you are wrong, and almost everyone disagrees with you. I know people that use innovative teams, and in every case they’d be better off using the scrub characters, and they lose to equal-level players using the scrub characters. Ken of SSBM could play any character and beat 99.9% of the people that play the game as well, but that doesn’t mean anything. Your logic is terrible.

2. You never played ST. That is the definition of balance.

3. Let’s not go down the wrong path thinking GG is balanced. It is NOWHERE near balanced. That is a very common misconception. Face Eddie in AC, you will DIE. Real talk.

ST is balanced but not fun or innovative. To me, it is very boring and one-dimensional. Balanced? Yes, but there’s a goal in competitive video games, to be as innovative and fun as possible, while perserving balance. ST isn’t innovative at all in this day/age (I don’t care about 15 years ago), and it has been replaced. By games that are innovative, are fun, and are for the most part balanced. Smash, GG and VF come to mind.

And if you want to get into what defines innovation, just look at methods of defense.

ST: Walking backward, blocking high or low, jumping backward.
SSBM: Dashing/moving backward (Can use pivot, or not), Shielding (There are at least 3 distinct stages of shielding, Power, Light and Firm, all have different effects on attacks and are executed different ways) (Additionally, you influence where your shield appears with directional influence), Wavedashing (Can be executed forward or backward depending on the attack, and when combined with other defense mechanisms makes for a very dynamic form of defense and offense), Directional influence post-attack (Determines for the most part whether or not you can be comboed), Teching (Tons of different kinds and timings), Dodging, Air-dodging, Rolling, jumping/short-hopping backward.

And I’m sure I forgot something. There is a similar list for GG. These games have SO MUCH MORE there than ST, and remain almost as balanced. And yes, GG is a very balanced game, it has something like 20 characters with very different playstyles, all of which are useable in casual and almost all in tournament levels when I played GG. I haven’t played the most recent game, but at the very least GGXX there were many characters to choose from. As many as ST. But they were not nearly as one-dimensional.

The most balanced game ever is also the most boring. Like a fighter with only one selectable character, or pong. The highly balanced games with much more to offer are much better games overall.

4. VF is fun to play, you just suck at it. Real talk.

VF is fun for YOU to play, I don’t think it’s any fun, so I don’t get good at it. Real talk. I enjoyed playing 3s, MvC2, Smash, GG and many other games when I sucked at them so don’t bring in the ‘You just suck so its not fun’ arguments. I never said VF was bad, I just said I don’t think it’s fun, but I respect it’s good design and intricate gameplay.

The entire idea of competitive games is to be as innovative and fun as possible, but this often compromises balance, making the game unplayable at a high level. The best competitive games are the ones that remain balanced while being very innovative, having the most options and the most solid gameplay. In the case of Marvel, it is not balanced. In the case of ST, it is not innovative. SSBM, GG and VF are all balanced, while being extremely innovative. Also, you accuse me of ‘not playing’ these 2d fighters, but what the fuck do you know about smash?

[G.O.T]

not really i grew up in the 80’s almost every game was good. Sure there were crappy games but not as much as now adays. Now adays almost everything is crap. Back then there were tons of good games if you grew up though the 80’s you’d know what im talking about. I can give a list of crappy games on 8bit nes if you want, and still it wouldnt be as bad as now adays.

Anyone who thinks 8nit nes is low tier shouldnt be a gamer and just stop playing video games.

I’m not a gamer so yeah. I’ve only bought four systems altogether with my earned money. Half of those low tier ass systems were given to me as a present…not to be ungrateful I was happy that my parents cared enough. Well, anyway it’s your opinion. But if it were up to me. Nes is definitely low tier. You must have missed that sentence. The one I said most of the games on that system were better at the arcades. Not only gameplay wise they also looked better. Let me see the only good games i played on that system were…

Contra-Ninja Boy-Astyanax-Wrath of Black Manta-SMB to SMB3(honestly I liked 2)-Duck Hunt-Castlevania-Karate Champ-Gauntlet series-Ninja Gaiden series–well, it looks like I coulda played most of those on teh play action. Can you say Mike’s Punch-out and Double Dribble? And son how can you forget Bad Dudes on arcade. Well, it’s time to name all the crap I did not like on nes.

Wolverine-The Rocketeer-Krusty’s Fun House-Robocop-Bill and Ted : (
Captain Planet-Fester’s Quest-Home Alone-Bart vs The Space Mutants-The Uncanny X-Men-Friday The 13th (roflmao).

It just did not set well with me. But on the other hand, Gyromite was one of the best and addicting games I ever played in my life.

[DS]

Also, you accuse me of ‘not playing’ these 2d fighters, but what the fuck do you know about smash?

lol @ terrible logic. If you dedicate your time to learning the teams, then you can win with just about anyone. It’s just that players want to win fast and efficiently. Learning a game has lost all merit in this day and age. Learn the top tiers and call it a day.

Again, GG isn’t balanced. You’re dellusional on that one. The only reason why you see character variety is because team tournies enforce it. If not, you’d see Eddie/Ky/Sol/Slayer/Pot in like, every match. The rules force people to learn the game. And it’s not a bad thing at all, but don’t think it’s balanced by any means. No fighter is balanced 100%. And GGXX was nowhere near balanced. I know Slayer was one of the top 3 and with the Bite Loop, he was godly.

ST’s innovation is not in it’s gameplay, it is in it’s matchup’s that the game displays innovation. The game forces you to learn the matches 100%. Hence, the game’s balance. It’s a lot of walk forward, walk backwards, but the matchups are key. You can’t walk in thinking your Ryu is gonna beat every character hands down because he’s your best character. Doesn’t work that way. It’s also about limiting options. Blanka sits there charging for a ball, you make him walk forward to lose that charge.

[System_1]

ST’s innovation is not in it’s gameplay, it is in it’s matchup’s that the game displays innovation. The game forces you to learn the matches 100%. Hence, the game’s balance. It’s a lot of walk forward, walk backwards, but the matchups are key. You can’t walk in thinking your Ryu is gonna beat every character hands down because he’s your best character. Doesn’t work that way. It’s also about limiting options. Blanka sits there charging for a ball, you make him walk forward to lose that charge.

I’m not going to argue GG’s balance because I’ve never played it at a tournament level, only watched videos/read tourney results/etc, and to me it seems the game allows a rich gameplay variety with a fairly high level of balance, but I will argue you on the quoted.

You can’t say ST is some special game because of the matchups, shit the matchups in Smash are so incredibly different that even beyond the characters, the way you play them can dramatically influence who is going to win the match. And having a game based solely on matchups to me is boring. The characters in ST are, again, non-innovative and for the most part boring, but some people find fun in the game, fine. It’s still a worse game for being so limited in scope. To bring in things like ‘Character matchups make ST so good’ you are implying the same is not true in smash. Which is, in short, 100% wrong. Simply amoung the top 4 smash characters (Marth, Fox, Falco, Shiek) there is an enormous discrepancy in how the characters are played, what methods are used to attack/defend, and how the match goes. This discrepancy becomes ever-larger when the next tier of characters come into the picture, especially Jigglypuff, Peach, C.Falcon and the Marios. Each of these characters requires a specific style of play from EVERY OTHER CHARACTER to beat, and completely change the way any character plays. If you play Falco vs Marth for 100 years in a room with someone, then traveled through time to today and entered a smash tournament, you’d be knocked out by ‘worse’ characters on the tiers in seconds, because of their extremely innovative style of play vs what you’re used to with Marth.

Bottom line- the ‘character matchups’ from ST are nothing special, and are just as important in more complicated games.

[Million]

The PSP has a better game library then the DS.

totally agree on this one. The DS still only has 2 or 3 games at the most that seriously interest me…actually, just one. I already forgot what the other game was(one is DBZ Supersonic Warriors 2), so apparently it didn’t interest me that much after all. DBZ SW2 isn’t really enough on its own to justify a system. PSP on the other hand, at least has a portable Darkstalkers, Powerstone collection, Twisted Metal, and at least 2 dbz games(though they appear to just be Budokai style, so they probably suck and don’t count for much)

I’m still surprised that DS is somehow more popular with “real gamers” along with non-gamer types. “Real gamers” apparently would rather play Cooking Mama and random Dora the Explorer/Barbie/randomPuzzlegarbage games as opposed to things like Twisted Metal and that recent Megaman? I’ve obviously slipped into the Twilight Zone at some point.

At least it isn’t as strange to me as the surprising majority of folks that consider mildly interactive movies with 5 billion menu screens controlling your fruity-ass looking heroes to be “thrilling gameplay”.

[G.O.T]

totally agree on this one. The DS still only has 2 or 3 games at the most that seriously interest me…actually, just one. I already forgot what the other game was(one is DBZ Supersonic Warriors 2), so apparently it didn’t interest me that much after all. DBZ SW2 isn’t really enough on its own to justify a system. PSP on the other hand, at least has a portable Darkstalkers, Powerstone collection, Twisted Metal, and at least 2 dbz games(though they appear to just be Budokai style, so they probably suck and don’t count for much)

I’m still surprised that DS is somehow more popular with “real gamers” along with non-gamer types. “Real gamers” apparently would rather play Cooking Mama and random Dora the Explorer/Barbie/randomPuzzlegarbage games as opposed to things like Twisted Metal and that recent Megaman? I’ve obviously slipped into the Twilight Zone at some point.

At least it isn’t as strange to me as the surprising majority of folks that consider mildly interactive movies with 5 billion menu screens controlling your fruity-ass looking heroes to be “thrilling gameplay”.

Portrait of Ruin-Puyo Puyo Pop made the decision for me. PSP made me feel empty after I bought it. Especially my pockets.

[System_1]

totally agree on this one. The DS still only has 2 or 3 games at the most that seriously interest me…actually, just one. I already forgot what the other game was(one is DBZ Supersonic Warriors 2), so apparently it didn’t interest me that much after all. DBZ SW2 isn’t really enough on its own to justify a system. PSP on the other hand, at least has a portable Darkstalkers, Powerstone collection, Twisted Metal, and at least 2 dbz games(though they appear to just be Budokai style, so they probably suck and don’t count for much)

I’m still surprised that DS is somehow more popular with “real gamers” along with non-gamer types. “Real gamers” apparently would rather play Cooking Mama and random Dora the Explorer/Barbie/randomPuzzlegarbage games as opposed to things like Twisted Metal and that recent Megaman? I’ve obviously slipped into the Twilight Zone at some point.

At least it isn’t as strange to me as the surprising majority of folks that consider mildly interactive movies with 5 billion menu screens controlling your fruity-ass looking heroes to be “thrilling gameplay”.

You know nothing about the DS, and it is painfully obvious from this post.

[P.Gorath]

shock troopers >>>>>>>> any metal slug

[G.O.T]

Did anybody liked the Shadow Hearts games? I think the judgment ring system is the tightest system for any rpg, and should be a standard. Game makes you work for it without all that damn pointless grinding you see in all rpgs.

[System_1]

I owned a DS Lite and 2 PSP’s so far, and ONLY games I had both castlevanias. I had more games on teh PSP, but will admit that those Castlevanias are better than anything on PSP.

Now I own niether. I will get another PSP, for Bleach Heatthe soul 4 (JP) I can get PSP’s for $60 a pop. All I have to do wait on someone to sell one at work (Gamestop) and hell, if they do cash, I drop my proce to just beat Gamestops price of $52 cash.

[System_1]

Alot of those are popular opinions.

Yes, but they are UNpopular here.

I have these red bars SIMPLY because I think GTA IV is going to destory any fighting game ever. And as of 2007 anyone thats normal would rather play something magnificent like GTA IV over some old crap graphics ass Street Fighter.

Yeah, I’m old school and played teh hell out of/appreciate those games, but times are changing.

Seems like the real popular opinion, is the unpopular one here.