Because Doom fans would cry if that happens. Either nobody is going to be happy if Eighitng touches this game again. Which why I think this doesn’t really need a new edition.
Here me out, Both of them would have gotten nerfed, Capcom has a long history of nerfing whatever the casual/lower level players struggles to beat.
How likely is a new iteration of this game anyway? Getting Iron Man buffed would be like Christmas and my birthday wrapped into one.
don’t expect anything, but be happy if it comes
also if it’s announced go ‘YEAH I FUCKIN KNEW ALL ALONG ALL YOU GUYS SAYING THERE’S NO PATCH EAT A DIIIIICK’
Make entering a special state, such as fly mode, cancel the TAC “no hitstun decay” state.
This is the only change I really want to see.
Has to be a troll, completely ignoring this post…
Iron Man: Instead of turning Iron Man into a poor man’s Magneto like most people would probably want, I’d rather see his mid-ranged game improved.
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[]Diagonal air dashes have 4 or 6 frames less recovery. This means Iron man is able to block “during” most of those air dashes. This gives Iron man a more unique defensive air dash in contrast to the other characters’ aggressive air dashes.
[]Repulsor Spread causes slightly longer knockdown. This would allow mid screen followups off an Anti-air Repulsor blast against more characters.
[]Smart Bomb and Air Smart Bomb input changed to :s:+:atk:
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Smart Bomb has all the properties of the old H Smart Bomb.
[]:h: Smart Bomb and air :h: Smart Bomb shoots further and has around +7 or 10F startup. A rough distance estimate: From starting position during a normal neutral jump, the bombs would land 1 character length behind a crouched Dante.
[]:d::h: OTGs, but loses special cancelling. Iron man would be able to get some damage off a mid screen ground throw with a THC or even his Lv. 3.
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**Storm:**When I think Storm, I think air footsy. That’s why I was crushed when she could no longer assist call form a SJ float. I think I found a way to give it back to her in a more limited way.
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[]Lightning Attack’s recovery changed from “until grounded” to “25f or until grounded”. Its hitstun would likely have to be changed around to prevent some crazy combos. This would allow Storm to get to Super Jump height and keep all her jump actions from a normal jump.
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MODOK: I’ve always felt MODOK lacked some more tools with his Levels of Understanding. Right now, the :s:Barrier and his buffed Hyper Psionic Blasts are the only draws to this mechanic.
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[]Battering Ram input changed from Directional and :s:+:atk: to :s:+:atk:, then Directional. This fixes the inconsistencies MODOK has with trying to do an Up Battering Ram from the ground.
[]:d::l: hitbox extended lower. As of now, MODOK can’t combo off a crouching Amaterasu reliably with his ground normals.
[]:s: Psionic Blast has -8f startup, which gives it the same startup as Psionic Blast. It also causes a Soft Knockdown instead of staggering.
[*]Receives air :s: Psionic Blast. Has the same trajectory and damage as an :h: Psionic Blast, but has -8F startup.
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For Character updates I have suggestions only for the characters I play.
Thor
As far as the game overall…clearly we need to figure how to diminish lag so I don’t have to watch the same stages over and over again. Thought the gameplay is all that really matters you made some cool stuff lets use it. I also believe netcode needs reworked and the online system revamped for better competitive play as that’s clearly the direction the game is going at this point in it’s shelf life. **
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Alright, lemme start with my own characters first:
X-23
The first thing I could think of is to make it so she can perform more than one Talon Dive in the air. She would obviously retain the “three specials per air” rule like everyone else, but this would assist with her playstyle of being able to dart around all over the field and such, for example.
Grounded Crescent Scythe H has a small bit of invincibility on startup, shoryuken style. Unless the opponent is literally on the ground when used, the heavy version of CS cannot combo properly into a full combo, and even then, the timing is crazy strict. It’s fairly easy to combo out of a raw light or medium CS from most positions, so they should remain unchanged and vulnerable throughout. However, I understand how good an invincible shoryuken could be if it can be cancelled into another special move for an easy out(Filia can do this in Skullgirls and it costs her one freakin’ bar, for example), so if this actually happens, it(the grounded H version only mind you) may have to have its TA cancel properties removed too so she can be punished for screwing up…
Amaterasu
And now for some others…:
**Phoenix Wright **and Haggar
Now, with that in mind, I don’t think the assists should gain as much as Vanilla/Ultimate 1.00 had, mind you, because we saw how reliant and dominant those assists became in a very short amount of time, but I feel that a certain amount needs to be given back to the assists. Not so much that they become the centralizing unit of a team, but enough that they can actually become usable and will force the opponent to respect these assists a bit more.
Spencer and Nova
Morrigan
With this coupled with a good tracking assist and the fact she has a high priority projectile for use with AV and an invincible hyper for escapes should indicate that something about this character needs to be addressed.
But alongside the balancing purposes, I also see a problem with fairness, because as far as I can tell, Morrigan is the only character in the game with an install hyper that actually enables meter gain. Zero, Dante, Ryu, etc., the works. All of them have hypers that enhance their performance in gameplay, yet none of them are capable of gaining meter during their usage, so I have to question why Morrigan is the only one capable of this. It’s a long shot, but I even suspect that this might be an oversight on the developers’ part, but probably not.
Characters with assists that magically disappear when they are hit and Doctor Doom
We are all already aware of how much of a great asset Hidden Missiles are to a team, and not just because of MorriDoom, plenty of teams have strats based around the fact that those Hidden Missiles are just going to get in your way more often than not simply because of their lingering and tracking properties. I’m left wondering why this kind of assist is virtually one of a kind, with other characters’ assists just… not working when they are hit(Sentinel and Rocket Raccoon immediately come to mind, for example). With that in mind, I can only think of two ways to resolve this problem:
With my mantra wanting to buff more characters then nerf, I would naturally immediately set my sights on the first option, but I can’t be sure because I shudder to think how this game might be affected if that were to take effect(imagine if Sentinel drones didn’t disappear if Sentinel was hit… O___O). Unless someone could convince me that the first option would lead to a definitively brighter future, I’m going to have to stick with my guns in this case and go with the second option, because we at least have precedence in the case that assists with a staying ability are absurdly good already.
Zero
Vergil
Everyone else who can be defined as a “Top Tier” character
Everyone below this “Top Tier”
The goal of these buffs is to help put all of these characters on an equal footing with the best in the game(not including Zero and Vergil), as I believe that they set the bar for what a great character should be in this game without overdoing it.
I feel that this should be the sole basis behind any update to this game, and I feel a lot of people behind this project already recognize that, so props to you all for that.
Gameplay Mechanics
Other Content
Morrigan is not the only character with a install super that builds meter, Jill and Firebrand say hi and yes Ryu dose build meter in his install .
Lmao @the guy saying Morrigan has the most blockable offence ,I don’t even know where to start , but you couldn’t be more wrong.
Either way if the meter gain is removed it needs to be sped up so she can at least combo into solo ,like all the other install supers
Oh really? I wasn’t aware… then how about comparing her to just Zero, who also makes a clone of himself in his install hyper but cannot gain meter during it?
Lame excuse I know ^^;
TBH I find it an interesting coincidence that nearly all of the major “problem characters” have install supers that contribute heavily to what makes these characters “problems”.
Zero - Sougenmu - Lightning loops + incoming mixups
Morrigan - Astral Vision
Vergil - Swords
Strider - Ouroboros
and maybe even allround X factor and Dark Phoenix could be considered an install.
Not saying that these supers are the cause of the problem, and I’m not sure where I’m going with this, but I find it interesting that these supers, when added to their already powerful/potent tools, are what pushes these characters over the top?
I’m taking my first stab at revision discussion here, so I’m a little worried. But hey, the worst that can happen is that I get called an idiot, right?
General:
Greatly improve the netcode. This is so very important for the longetivity of the game, and especially for players who can’t get to local scenes like myself, but still want to play the game as it was meant to be played. If it could get on the level of Street Fighter right now, that’d be big for this game’s enjoyment factor.
Increase the pushback of a broken ground throw. Because the current system is more than a little ridiculous!
Team-Aerial Combos: Make it so that one exchange resets hitstun scaling, but allow hitstun to increment like normally with each hit done from then on. Add the hitstun accumulated during the TAC with the hitstun built up before the exchange. This way, we avoid infinites, but still keep interesting combos. Nothing too major, right?
Increase the startup before the TAC flash, and evidently show a colour to indicate the direction. Someone else brought it up earlier on, and I was very fond of the idea. This way, the defender has a chance to see it, and exchanges become more of a mix-up option and less of a read.
Tidy up hitspheres. While with some moves it’s necessary for the hitspheres to be as ‘unusual’ as they are, I still find it awkward when a move acts how it shouldn’t feel like.
As for characters here, I’m going to say I don’t want to nerf the top tiers horribly at all, or buff the low-tiers phenomenally, simply because game balance can be so precarious a thing. But if I have any concise thoughts to give, I hope they’re with my main team.
Arthur:
I’m not entirely convinced just yet about removing the hard knockdown on King’s Armour, simply because upon experimenting with it, it’s actually an incredible power-up hyper. Theoretically, Arthur in gold armour is nigh-on untouchable, and his infinites in XF2 and XF3 are significant enough that I respect the reward for an opponent who survives the onslaught. Given that he builds meter over the duration, letting him use it reliably is questionable to me. Still, having ways to make it safer against teleporters would be nice!
+ Rework Demon Shield (DP + L).
Instead of crouching still, Arthur charges forward with his shield raised, in a manner similar to his f.H attack, only he moves faster at the start and slower at the end. Demon Shield retains its other basic properties (really fast startup, projectile immunity, staggers anyone who attacks him unless it’s with a grab or high attack, slow recovery unless cancelled into a hyper for safety). This idea stems from three issues Arthur has:
Most people suggest to just give Arthur a dash. But as an Arthur player, I feel like I understand why Capcom didn’t do that. Most of Arthur’s movements are meant to be made with considerate thought. His positioning is incredibly important, much like how it is in the Ghost N’ Goblins series - the only way to survive when a Red Arremer does its swoop is to not be so close to the danger zone in the first place.
If he can move too liberally, that factor disappears, and even a bad dash might be too much. He already has good air options - giving him just as good a ground game would worry me a bit.
+ Let a dagger or lance, when tossed on the ground, be cancellable into a f.H, which cannot be cancelled into anything else except for on hit.
This gives Arthur another ground options, both for applying pressure and for recovering after a mistake. The way I see it, he gets a few advantages here - for one, he can combo now off of one at very close quarters. For another, he has a second option against opponents trying to attack him from above, albeit a punishable one (f.H is pretty unsafe if it’s not cancelled into something).
If this sounds overboard, then I’d suggest restricting it to only the first dagger or lance.
+Reduce the startup of Hellbound Slash
The only advantage of this move is that it lets Arthur convert off of a c.H from the max distance. The combos that use it are both more difficult and less damaging than alternative options, and this move is already so very punishable that I’m reluctant to use it. Just help tidy him up a little!
Ryu:
+ Slightly increase the hitstun off a Hadoken
This might seem like a small thing, but if it’d make the combos of almighty SaishuuKessen just a little more viable in a tournament match, you would all feel the difference it makes when next you see a good Ryu.
+ Slightly increase his walk speed
Footwork is very important with Ryu: there are times when he needs to walk in on someone. But with the screen as large as it is in Marvel 3, this tactic is easy to punish.
+ Ground throw causes a ground bounce
Throwing’s a big part of Street Fighter, and it’s frustrating that Ryu can’t get anything off his throws without burning meter. As it is, the only thing he gains is resetting a situation
Chrisis mentioned this idea already, only for air throws instead. With an assist, Ryu can already combo off an air-throw, but I like his idea too; I’d be content if either one made it through.
- Significantly increase the damage or hitstun scaling on his ground throw
This is necessary if the previous buff were to be applied, because Ryu can already deal a lot of damage. Gotta keep this guy honest, after all!
Amaterasu:
+ New move for sacred beads weapon (QCF+S, can only be done in the air).
Amaterasu’s an excellent character, and the only thing I feel like she could use is a more reliable answer to opponents at super-jump height - her only options against those, as it stands, is to get a throw or throw out an Okami Shuffle. Those aren’t bad, but something more consistent wouldn’t be too much!
I haven’t been following this thread, and I don’t really believe a patch is coming. But it would be better to list the problems characters have, or what makes them too strong rather than offering solutions with no context.
I don’t like
+ Ground throw causes a ground bounce
I do like
Amaterasu’s an excellent character, and the only thing I feel like she could use is a more reliable answer to opponents at super-jump height
The only buff he’ll get is one extra bomb added to H smart bombs.
Don’t joke about that dude. 
Amaterasu had another move with her rosary beads in Okami. It was a shotgun spread that covered a huge area. It would make a nice addition to her moveset.
Some nerfs and buffs I’d specifically like to see aside from the general nerf and buffs to TAC, top tiers, low tiers, etc.
Magneto
Doom
She-Hulk
Iron Man
Spider-Man
Point
Assist
Spider-Man, sure, but I think Felicia’s assists are decent. I think Rolling Buckler is one of the best neutral assists in the game (not as good as it was in Vanilla, though) and that Sand Splash has some use. Still, they could be better - or more specifically, on par with the relevant assists.
A: Rolling Buckler - return hitstun to Vanilla values… or AT LEAST make it so she can combo after using it as a Crossover Counter without using X-Factor
B: Cat Spike M - Make it an overhead! It has MORE STARTUP than Viper’s Burn Kick, MORE RECOVERY than Viper’s Burn Kick, and LESS ACTIVE FRAMES than Viper’s Burn Kick, and yet it purforms heh heh heh just like it outside of it being a mid instead of a high. MAKE IT AN OVERHEAD! Also, make it not Ground Bounce but Stagger instead. We need those Ground Bounces for combos.
C: Sand Splash M - Either give it faster startup (so it can more reliably be used to OTG a la Wesker’s Samurai Edge) or make the projectiles the H version so that it will provide great ground control for the neutral game.
I probably wouldn’t do this if i wasnt at work right now. That and we all want to make other characters better/more interesting and others ‘fair’. Here is a small list of my buffs/debuffs.
Viper
Buffs:
Reason being is they’re horrible to use in neutral game because of their start-up and how easy it is to throw out random hit boxes and hit her out of it. So the best you can do for her is when people actually use burning kicks you can actually recover quick enough if the opponent blocks them.
No debuffs. Shes great but her execution and gameplan requires perfection and that will never happen in marvel.
Strider
Buffs:
Vergil:
Buffs:
It’s hard to debuff Vergil without taking away what makes him extremely good/braindead. But we all know the main problems. Spiral swords and that move Helmbreaker being #1 move #1 counter #1 frame trap to start an offense if it is blocked?
Iron Fist
Buffs:
Really I don’t think Iron fist is bad aside from the fact that he literally has no way to get in and no way to convert from superjump height and only can convert from jump height sometimes. Those two alone would allow for him to be competitive. Maybe you could give him his rising fang as a regular move.
X-23: This characters potential has yet to be unlocked. Still I believe. Her pressure game is really good if you know how to do it. Cut through advance guard like tissue paper.
Buffs:
Tron
Buffs:
Wesker
Buffs:
Nemesis.
Buffs:
Jill
Buffs:
Morrigan
Debuffs: I will keep this simple. Two debuffs.
Well this was fun too long to read so it probably be wont be read ohwell it past the time at work.
So you want Magneto to die every time he goes for a mixup? What the hell happens when he goes for a trijump mixup and goes straight to low?