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You can still kill the last person with one or two touches into ragnarok or ouroboros lockdown. Plus in a real match if there’s 3 characters left they’re not always going to have full health. Making things easier for Strider.
Even if you were to try to debate this…his anti incoming options are better than pretty much all the other anchors as good as him. Which is pretty big.
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Admittedly my original post was with the time it would take for him to kill with xf3 orbs in mind. I haven’t really seen him used differently from that strategy. Not that I was trying to change opinions or anything, but I’m starting to consider XF3 SuperSkrull as one of the more dangerous anchors now.
I remember the Vanilla version of this thread, good times.
My top 5 anchors (in order) are Vergil, Phoenix, Arthur, Strider, and Dormammu. Skrull is an honorable mention.
Kinda surprised at the lack of Arthur discussion, but then again, he’s rarely seen. He’s one of the few anchors that can go toe to toe with Phoenix and Vergil. He has a special that’s invincible on start-up (counters footdives/helmbreakers and Vergil/Wesker supers). If he has 4 meters, all he has to do is hit the ground to start going HAM.
His downsides are he takes an acquired skill to use effectively, and his XF3 Gold Armor can’t kill 3 characters outright unless he gets a Happy Birthday.
Back to my cave I go, carry on.
you forgot to mention under downsides “opponent holds down back until Gold Armor breaks, then kills you for your trouble.”
I almost took this seriously until I read “holds down back”. He’s had an instant overhead since Vanilla bruh, get with the times.
Now if you said up back, yeah, he does have a little trouble with that. It’s only a problem in the corner where he can’t get a left/right mix-up, but there IS tech to beat that, it just isn’t flaunted around.
Once he does get the hit, he kills 10x faster than Strider. His XF3 Gold Armor is like a ticking ass-kicking time bomb. Like I said, he’s underrepresented, so the misconception isn’t your fault. However if it were true that Arthur wasn’t a great anchor, I wouldn’t be relying on him like a scrub to clean up half my fights after I messed up with my point characters.
Yeah, Wesker’s mixups are deadly if he’s actually able to get near you. Staggered lows, command throws, much faster teleports, very easy air throws and full combos afterward. Anchor Wesker’s biggest weakness is strong zoning as he can find it very difficult to approach. I wince every time I see a Wesker try to fight MorriDoom.
ok, hold Up back.
now what does Arthur do? chip me out? I can just activate my own X-factor and wait out your Gold Armor safely. Arthur doesn’t have the mobility to chase down someone running away from him, and without the chip on his weapons he’s not doing much of anything. he’s a gimmick anchor that works against people unfamiliar with the match up and flounders away against any sort of competent player.
oh, and if you activate Xfactor on one of your first two characters, Arthur becomes totally worthless. can’t keep pace with ANYONE on the roster (even Hsien-ko has more mobility options), can’t kill off the first hit (which he is super unlikely to get in the first place), and can’t even reliably zone people.
Arthur as a character is, barring any ridiculous tech being discovered, going to end up very near the bottom of the tier list simply for lack of mobility in a game as neutral-heavy as Marvel
Arguing with theorycrafters, this shit is so 2000 and late. Arthur is used akin to Dr. Strange, and that’s with a gameplan in mind. The fact that I have Arthur on my team forces my opponent to save his X-Factor, and that insurance works wonders for a zoning team. On the other side of that, my first two characters are completely fine without XF.
I’m not gonna take the time to write out something I put into practice every day. So please try harder to convince me of the competent players I can’t beat, I can’t hear you over wins against multiple well-known people I’ve knocked out in major tournaments.
The fact that you don’t think Arthur has any mobility discredits your already misinformed argument. Then again, I’m arguing with someone who thought you had to downback against someone with instant overheads. Ever seen an Arthur super-jump S with a trident flying around him?
No? l0l!!! Let’s just pretend Arthur sucks though, it’s better that way.
So you expect someone to just stand there crouching while Arthur walks extremely slowly over to them?
Not that I’m hating on Arthur in any way possible because he is a fun character to use, but if you say that he is that good then why aren’t the top players using him?
Simply because he sucks plus the fact that Hawkeye can do better.
The ignorance is strong in this one. You don’t have to pretend you’ve played an Arthur, it’s pretty obvious you haven’t.
Pretty much the same reason Rocket Raccoon won a major yet we never see any. Underrepresented, takes too much effort, etc. Killed me with the Hawkeye part.
Hey, it ain’t a thang if Arthur is underrated, it just means people pay less attention to the match-up. I’m just trying giving my insight as a Vanilla Arthur player who goes to majors, but I guess I’d rather just argue with a bunch of dudes that haven’t played a good Arthur.
On second thought, I’d rather not.
“i’m so totally right about this! post proof? why do i need to do that?”
posting that a character is good without backing up your claims is the surest sign that your argument is weak. either refute what i was saying or don’t comment at all.
and no, it’s not my opinion that Arthur has no mobility. when the best you can do is jump forward S, you’re struggling to move. especially in a game where teleports are given out like candy amongst the top tier.
and if your first two characters play fine without XF, who’s to say that mine don’t? it’s a two-way street, with the added layer of “XF-less Arthur is completely non-threatening.”
“i’m so totally right about this! post proof? why do i need to do that?”
posting that a character is good without backing up your claims is the surest sign that your argument is weak. either refute what i was saying or don’t comment at all.
and no, it’s not my opinion that Arthur has no mobility. when the best you can do is jump forward S, you’re struggling to move. especially in a game where teleports are given out like candy amongst the top tier.
and if your first two characters play fine without XF, who’s to say that mine don’t? it’s a two-way street, with the added layer of “XF-less Arthur is completely non-threatening.”
Arthur sucks…all he can do is j. S and projectile. his normals are subpar, Mobility is his god awful downfall in a game were phenx, strange, vergil, Dante, dead pool, wesker all have a teleport to answer your zoning. Arthur’s got a great assist, and is decent in level 3 xfc. But nothing more then mid-low tier.
Arthur is easy snapback bait also. Got a double jump but its really floaty. Can mash on normals but…everyone can do that.
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j.S is a great normal to come in with, better than what most of the cast actually. Hits under, behind, and has a great hitbox. I’ve punished quite a bit of people doing a half assed mix-up.
Under high pressure situations, as long as he hits the floor he can get off a Level 3 and there are certain situations you can create a mix-up off that with XF cancel. He cracks under a good offense just like Vergil or Phoenix, but as long as he can hit the floor or land a single normal to cancel into Daggers then super, he can get out.
I honestly have nothing to prove. It doesn’t benefit me to tell you how a character I’ve played for a year is better than you think. Am I going to link multiple tournament streams to cite examples? Am I going to name-drop who I’ve beaten with links to the tournament brackets? I certainly can, but I definitely won’t. It’s misconceptions like:
that wins me games when the opponent is fighting a completely foreign character.
Also, jump forward S is a controllable arc. It’s a normal you will not beat with a normal anti-air and it’s something that can be cancelled into his high priority projectiles. Call it a “parabola jump” if you will, it gets me in.
Regardless of whether or not your characters play fine without X-Factor, I rarely play my Arthur without XF. It’s the same gameplan Phoenix players (and some Vergil players) employ. “XF-less Arthur is completely non-threatening” is just another example of the disparity in knowledge we have. I’m guessing you don’t know what happens when an Arthur has 5 meters do you?
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You already proved from your first post that you know completely nothing about the character, and I don’t really feel like playing theory fighter any longer. We’ve already been doing the “If you do X, I’ll do Y, but I can also do Z” game, this shit is so drawn out.
then don’t post on forums dedicated to discussion of the game if you refuse to play theory fighter. not difficult
Is Wesker as good as before? no. But under X factor c’mon guys…the guy is beyond full retard.
Unless there’s a flood on the screen…then he’s just nothing. He also dies to Dark Vergil or Strider.
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Look I’m not saying Arthur’s not good, I’m saying he sucks, so many people do what he does better.loops into goddess bracelet? 80 % of the cast kills in one combo off xfc3 so why waste meter? If you confirm a lance or dagger I get it but chances are whoever is playing against Arthur is SJ away and push blocking until xfc runs out… Taskmaster does what Arthur does, but with more health, better options, and not needing a meter to transform. The only thing Arthur has on people is inexperience in fighting him. You can negate his chip with push blocking so lance over and over is trash. Again the only thing he really got is the j. A which is amazing , but that’s just like shuma only having that spike ball approach.
If you like arthur then that’s great, I like playing chun-Li. But I won’t argue she’s A beast, because she’s only mid tier at best.