UMvC3 ToP Tier ANCHORs

My real issue is that I think people are beginning to understate how good Wesker is a character. I know we’ve gone beyond his glasses buff and not only are we better players but we’re picking better teams as well, but I feel that we’re unduly downplaying his effective. Or maybe this can just be me still stuck in the early UMVC3 days.

But yeah, you were right about the Sentinel point, touche lol. But at the same time, I feel that perhaps what makes Wesker good as an anchor is not the assist, or lack of a great assist, that he provides, but rather just how good he is in XF3 and with his glasses off.

I also feel that fact that people pick Wesker’s over the likes of Felicia and Deadpool (real life examples being team Trenchcoat, Killer Kai, Chris G’s alternate team against Frutsy) is evident that he’s a better choice, and even a better character than them. Perhaps I’m getting being a ‘better’ character confused with being a good anchor, but I feel Wesker’s just as good a character as he is an anchor.

I guess I just rate how good I consider a character to be over the assist they provide when considering an anchor.

And I didn’t necessarily care for XF when discussing anchors. But a lot of people were saying ‘x character is good because of xf3’ so I didn’t know if they considered how effective the character would be without it.

In terms of the assist you mentioned, they all serve different purposes to Samurai Edge. Of course, if we want a good neutral assist, we shouldn’t be picking Wesker lol. But at the same time, I think we get different points and such muddled up. Like, Orbital Grudge could be a better assist at neutral than Samurai Edge. But if you wanted an OTG assist, you obviously wouldn’t pick orbital grudge. (NB Skrull has got that OTG assist that I forgot the name of lol, but Wesker has the benefit of providing an unblockable set-up). We have to decide what our purposes are for our choices. If I was making a team with two point characters and an assist, I’d probably go for disruptor and drones. But if I wanted to have point, assist an anchor, I’d probably pick Wesker or Strider as anchor, but have a good neutral assist for the second character.

Basically, I see this whole anchor discourse as ‘worse case scenario, if I didn’t have meter or x factor, who would I rather have as anchor’. Of course we may have meter and XF when we’re down to our last character But I also try to think about if it doesn’t go to plan.

As far as dhc’s go, the only thing I see good about DHC’ing into Wesker is to get his glasses off lol. But yo, Vergil was in my top 5 anchors lol so I wasn’t arguing against him. Considering what a character can do of a TAC is also good too. But as I said, I leave that down to purpose. If my plan is to use TAC’s (I personally avoid doing so), then I’d pick Doom over anyone else. Dormammu can perhaps do more off a TAC than Wesker, but I feel that’s only a part of a choice between characters. And I also rate how I personally feel a character does on their own more than anything else I can think of off the top of my head like the assist they provide, what they can do off TAC’s etc. but that’s just my consideration.

(I cut out some points you guys made just to reduce the size of this post lol. If you made similar points I addressed them at some point, but I still tried to talk about all the points even though I may have removed them)

Glasses buff is still overrated to this day. I swear, if Capcom didn’t tell anyone about it, no one would have noticed the difference at all. Just added more fodder for people claiming that Wesker was a top tier anchor (he’s not).

And lol, people’s team order doesn’t always reflect which character is better. Maybe X character might be picked over Wesker second because X character has a better TAC combo, or a better DHC (both of which Wesker lacks). Also, better than Felicia? Fast low assist, sick speed in XF3 (faster than Wesker, IIRC), easy infinite that requires no meter, gets in easier than Wekser.

Wesker as anchor is just as underrated as it is overrated, but top 5? That’s pushing it, maybe just outside or just within top 10 would be a better placement.

There’s just no real reason to play Wesker as anchor when everyone else that does the same thing he does in that spot has better DHC’s and generally adds more to the team in that spot (aka Felicia and Vergil).

Wesker is just better in the 2nd spot and just have somone 3rd that doesn’t really need an OTG assist and have them provide an assist for Wesker.

Yeah, I agree that Wesker’s optimal position is second. I saw someone say in a thread (might have even be this one) that Wesker in XF2 with a good assist is more dangerous than Wesker XF3.

I wasn’t talking about team order there, I was just responding to the LawHT’s comment about choosing Deadpool or Felicia for their OTG over Wesker. Still, I rate Wesker over Felicia as a character in general, and would prefer to have Wesker as anchor without meter than her.

It’s hard to say Wesker’s a great anchor when:

  • You’ve burned XF early or ran out of XF with him, and he’s left with tools which have too many exploitable holes to use without the backup of assists to cover them

  • He dies on incoming because he can’t do shit against the welcome mixup he has to face

  • His assist does literally nothing to help your first two characters control the game, and so your second character is more or less playing assistless until they get a hit

Certainly Wesker makes comebacks with XF3, but less and less against better players. So he’s good, but as said he definitely needs to be further forward on a team. Eeesh why am I back talking about Wesker anchor again, must have been a while :confused:

Wesker anchor should be a dead topic right now. People should know by now that playing him last is the wrong thing to do 99% of the time. If you don’t then you have more to learn about this game.

At this point, with more and more players utilizing better-constructed teams, there should be less of an emphasis on what an anchor can do all alone with XF3 and more on how he can support the team, because it’s rare nowadays to see ANY character make a solo comeback against a good player.

XF3 Wesker is still effective against anything that’s not zoning. Really the reason you don’t want Wesker last is because he’s not a good support character but to say he’s ineffective in XF3 is a hyperbole. I’d say he’s about as effective as Magneto in XF3, it’s just that Magneto has better DHCs and Disruptor assist trumps any assists Wesker has.

He’s not a cream of the crop anchor, but it’s not like he’s omgass.

…I wouldn’t use him as anchor though.

Anchor Wesker works…he just doesn’t help the team out at all and the game is too hit box and install super heavy to be running a character 3rd that doesn’t provide you much shit for the neutral until your 2nd character dies. Which then it can still be lamed out or killed on incoming due to Wesker’s weak anti incoming options. You can still kill off a team with XF2 Wesker + assist and you get better control of the neutral that way as well.

Is Task a good anchor?

Not really. Can’t open people up solo. You can mash H and hope to get OS throws and convert, though.

Not really he doesn’t bring anything to the table as anchor aka he’s not cheap enough for anchor position.

he’s not good, but he’s not terrible either. his assist is super useful, so he’s got that going for him

Best anchor with meter, Vergil. Best anchor for me, Dormammu, people hate my salty chips.

Wesker also won’t get to spend meter unless he gets a hit. the best anchors have free reign to use meter whenever they want.

Strider (oroboros)
Vergil (devil trigger, swords)
hawkeye (gimlet)
dr.strange (spell of vishanti)
Akuma (messatsu)
morrigan (astral vision)
dormamu (stalking flare)
sentinel (hard drive)
skrull (inferno)

I like how Dr. Strange is creeping into everybody’s lists now (this isn’t a jibe at you STANG, he’s just becoming more relevant now).

I’m starting to lower my opinion as Strider as an anchor (not necessarily in the anchor position as Vajra is still one of the best assists in the game). Even with XF3 his damage output isn’t enough to kill 3 characters, and ouroboros (oroboros?) isn’t really a problem outside of X-Factor. And if he’s incoming without X-factor, I don’t think he’s too much of a problem regardless of how much meter he has.

I guess any character is as good as the player who uses them, but I think he’s gone from top 3 to top 5 or so now.

Strider is the best anchor in the game.

A lot of these you get to use once with XFC to make safe, or in specific situations as a punish. Also, no Ammy?

Yes I forgot ammy. You’re not really getting my point with those supers.

We’re basically beating the wesker horse to death but a wesker with 5 meters has the same chance of opening you up as a wesker with 0 meters. Strider with 5 meters just activates oroboros and has a easier time opening you up.

gimlet and spell of vishanti are punishing supers. punishing wiffed moves from full screen air or ground. Hawkeye and Dr.Strange are different characters with 5 meters. Wesker is the same character. Just that he will do more damage if he hits.

My point with stalking flare is that you can just throw it out, you don’t have to be hitting your opponent to get use of this super. Dormammu players obviously know when stalking flare will be safe to use.

As for harddrive and inferno, they are tricky to punish. until people start consistently punishing them, they are still good to just throw out there.

Okay, i see your point now, the way it was phrased as use meter whenever they want, it looked like you were advocating just throwing shit out there.

And Inferno is super easy to punish, every character i play can just mash raw S and get a launch.

I assume you mean other than Phoenix.