UMVC3 SRK Tier List/Theory Discussion. (NEW THREAD NOW AVAILABLE)

On the topic of Deadpool, like really, what’s he missing? He’s got fast normals with decent to good range, great Supers that are great for DHCs, solid assists (Kanta-Rama!! is actually faster then Samaria Edge, but Edge hits low so it’s better overall), he’s got a legit zoning game and he can also Rushdown when he needs too, and more importantly he can go from Zoning to Rushdown instantly thanks to his amazing teleport.

So really, what’s he missing here? Are people just really turned off by his teleport malfunction?

Deadpool’s needs a S tier assist, or some kind of bullshit anchor abilities.

Anytime you are coming down from the air against deadpool you know the other player is tapdancing on his fightstick basically

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAconfirm combo time

what about the master of tasks?

Deadpool has Quick work. Which hits low. That means unblockable setups. From flyers with 8way dashes. people with overheads. and things like Haggar’s Air Pipe.

The easy infinites and good low/overhead/left/right mixups aren’t enough?

Deadpool is crazy good anchor, one touch leads to infinite which slows the fuck outta his x-factor time. Plus it’s too easy for him to get that hit. Extremely underrated I stuck him in A for a reason.

When I rank a character, I look at the full value they bring to a team including their assists, their THCs, crossover counters and so on. Also, behold Spoilerception~

KJunk’s Tier List

[details=Spoiler]S Tier
Zero, C. Viper, Strider Hiryu, Dante, Firebrand

[spoiler=Explanation]Zero, Viper and Firebrand utterly dominate the neutral game in most match-ups, and assists can address the characters that would otherwise give them issues. I feel that Strider is the strongest anchor in the game right now when you factor in his value as an assist, his match-ups on point and his comeback factor with meter and/or X-Factor. You are never out of the game so long as he is coming up. And Dante is the ultimate team player with universal assists, automatic DHC synergy for combo extension or safety, comeback factor, great match-ups and a full suite of tools on point.[/details]

A+ Tier
Magneto, Wesker, Vergil, Phoenix, Trish

Explanation

Spoiler

Magneto, Wesker and Vergil are nearly as dominant as the characters above while having strong team value in their own ways as well. Phoenix continues to shape how you play against her teams, though obviously she’s easier to answer than before. I place Trish in this tier on the strength of her match-ups. She offers less team value than others, but I feel that’s she’s favored against most characters in the game and honestly has a harder fight against certain top tier assists (Vajra, Jam Session) rather than the point characters using those assists.

A Tier
Dormammu, Dr. Doom, Felicia, Spencer, Taskmaster, Hawkeye, Morrigan, Amaterasu

Explanation

Spoiler

A Tier characters generally have a few unfavorable match-ups compared to those above them. And while they may have impressive play on point, good match-ups, or great assist/DHC value for a team, or great comeback factor, they often fail to have everything at once.

B Tier
Nova, Jill Valentine, Wolverine, Sentinel, Spider-Man, Storm, X-23, Super Skrull, Doctor Strange, Akuma, Ryu, Deadpool, Chris Redfield, Viewtiful Joe, Captain America, Rocket Raccoon, Hulk

Explanation

Spoiler

B Tier characters tend to be less brutal or universal than the characters above them. They often have holes in their gameplay or tool-sets that require assists and team composition to address. However once those issues are addressed, they function well and are fully competitive characters with just slightly weaker match-ups than those above. Other characters like Sentinel, Akuma and Rocket Raccoon are here partially based on their value as assists.

C Tier
Iron Man, Haggar, Thor, M.O.D.O.K., Ghost Rider, Nemesis T-Type, Frank West, Chun-Li, Arthur

Explanation

Spoiler

C Tier characters are very inflexible, meaning that they require strict team setups and assists to address issues they have with their designs. And even once those issues are addressed, they still have bad match-ups in common situations. These are still competitively playable characters, but their issues must be respected and built around.

D Tier
She-Hulk, Iron Fist, Shuma-Gorath, Hsien-Ko, Tron Bonne, Phoenix Wright

Explanation

Spoiler

I feel these characters are strictly inferior to other characters above them and are generally unplayable unless you are simply better than your competition or are exploiting a lack of match-up experience against them.

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I feel the notable things about my list are the relatively high placement of Strider, the non-S placement of Wesker, the relatively high placement of Morrigan, and the relatively lower placements of Doctor Doom, Nova, Wolverine and Frank West.

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Radical thinking incoming.

Individual character tiers

[details=Spoiler]S: Zero, Dante, Wesker

A: Phoenix, Dr.Doom, Magneto, Strider Hiryu, Dormammu, C.Viper, Captain America, Felicia, Firebrand, Morrigan, Hawkeye, Akuma, Trish, Nova, Frank West, Spencer, Vergil, Wolverine, Amaterasu

B: X-23, Deadpool, Nemesis T-Type, Taskmaster, Storm, Ryu, Super Skrull, Ghost Rider, Sentinel, Doctor Strange, Hulk, Iron Fist, Chris Redfield, Haggar, Viewtiful Joe

C: Shuma Gorath, Iron Man, Hsien-Ko, Arthur, Jill Valentine, M.O.D.O.K, Rocket Racoon, She-Hulk, Thor, Tron Bonne, Chun-Li, Phoenix Wright[/details]

Since Marvel is a team game overall I ranked the characters differently than most would.

S-Tier: Characters in this tier represent the epitome of character potential, be it abuse of game mechanics, X-Factor, assist potential, or as a point character. Also represents the most used characters on teams overall in the entire game.

A-Tier: These characters are viable on their own merits and may outclass lower tiered characters and characters on their own tier. A-tier characters may also have assist potential, X-Factor abuse or point characteristics similar to those in S-tier. A-Tier characters are also found on most teams as well.

B-Tier: Characters in this tier might be viable in a tournament environment, but require specific assists from other characters in the same tier or A and S ranked characters to be successful. Characters in A and S tier might have assists or point potential that S and A do better, thus they are used only in moderation. Characters with unique movesets might be used in a tournament environment to successful moderation, but very rarely do we see these characters win a major event. Oddly, characters in B-Tier work somewhat well together so take that for what you will.

C-Tier: Underused characters with potential, but require A and S tier characters to be successful. These characters overall have very little tournament potential due to play effort and/or assist potential. Anything C-Tier does S and A tier do better.

Here’s my tier list. All right, here it goes:

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S Tier: Viper, Zero, Wesker, Dormammu, Dante
A Tier: Doom, Firebrand, Magneto, Hawkeye, Vergil, Strider, Phoenix
A- Tier: Akuma, Trish, Felicia, Amaterasu, Spencer, MODOK, Frank West, Spider-Man Taskmaster, Doctor Strange, Morrigan, Wolverine, Deadpool
B Tier: Jill, Sentinel, Ryu, Nova, Viewtiful Joe, Hulk, Captain America, Storm, Rocket Raccoon, Chris, Haggar, Thor
B- Tier: Nemesis, Iron-Man, Chun-Li, She-Hulk, Shuma-Gorath,
C Tier: Ghost Rider, Iron Fist, Tron, Phoenix Wright, Arthur, Hsien-Ko

I think everybody’s lists are really close when it comes to the S and A (or A+) tiers. The “B” Tiers are the most different, and this I think it’s because they have less things discovered about them because their strenghts aren’t apparent right away (making people less interested in experimenting with them).

Don’t we have enough data to compile a preliminary tier list already? Who are we waiting for?

So I am assuming the scoring is going to be S = 10, A+= 9, A = 8, A- = 7, B+ = 6, B = 5, B- = 4, C = 3, D = 2, E = 1, F = 0.

As applicable of course given how people rank the characters within their own tiers. I am assuming it’s going to be averages for those characters (like say 3 tier rankings of Dorm have him at S/A+/A respectively which is 10+9+8 = 27/3 = 9 = A+ tier).

Do you get people satly about him as much as people get angry about Wesker?

When evaluating OTG’s one of the most important things about it is it’s speed and how easy it is to follow up. The fast speed of sand splash means that it can be used in more situations where slower OTG’s would not work. The followup issue I mentioned mostly because of how hard it is to follow up Heartless Spire OTG’s.

Now the reason Wesker’s is the best, is because in addition to being fast, it also hit’s low, so it doubles as a mixup assist.

The second tier of OTG’s is Seismo and Sand Splash. They are just as fast but don’t have the mixup abilities.

The third tier are OTG’s like Deadpool. They are good and fast, but the ground bounce thing can be a double edged sword as it will use up your bounce.

The range of the OTG matters as well. While Deadpool’s is fast, its short range can make it difficult for some characters to use to convert off their throws/air throws when something like Wesker’s hits without an issue.

Also true, but there are much more situations that are timing dependent then spacing dependent.

Either way, Wesker’s has the best range, followed by Viper and Felicia.

Well, Wesker has the best range of the OTG’s on characters you’re actually likely to see in competitive play. She-Hulk’s Torpedo and Hulk’s Gamma Wave have good distance, same with Sentinel’s Rocket Punch. You don’t see those very often, though. I guess you could consider the range on Hidden Missiles pretty far, too.

But I agree, Wesker’s assist is the best combination of speed, range, utility and ease-of-use.

I only say all this because as a Trish player, you become intimately familiar with every last OTG assist in the game when you try to put together your team. “Let’s make Chris’s Landmine OTG work…” “Let’s make it work with Typhoon…” etc. etc.

Just waiting for most of the people to chime in. Still haven’t gotten Chrisis’ tier list but I can go ahead and put it together based on the way you put it. It’s just with my tier list I’m not going to convolute the tiers too much with minuses and pluses all down. I believe there’s a close race between who’s definitely S tier and who’s right around the border at like an A+ tier, then it will be A B C at that point straight up. I’ll do some rounding up once I get past like the A plus tier.

I’ll go ahead and average things up and post what I get.

Holds up Flame Shield

You will get mad reading this…

I am warning you, this is my sh***ty opinion

Spoiler

S Tier: Zero, Wesker, Dormammu, Dante(A character S tier Assist),
A Tier: Viper, Magneto, Vergil, Strider, Phoenix, Hawkeye, Dante ,Akuma, Trish, Nova, Felicia, Amaterasu, Spencer , Taskmaster, Morrigan, Wolverine, Deadpool
B Tier: Jill,Firebrand, Sentinel,X-23,Doctor Strange, Frank West ,Nemesis ,Ryu, Spider-Man , Viewtiful Joe, Hulk, Captain America, Storm, Chris, Thor, MODOK,
C Tier: Ghost Rider, Iron Fist, Tron, Phoenix Wright, Arthur, Hsien-Ko,Iron-Man, Chun-Li, She-Hulk, Shuma-Gorath,Rocket Raccoon, Haggar

-I do believe Dormmamu is a underrated candidate for S tier. If not he is still A tier, and he is still top ten. I don’t understand why nobody don’t see it. That motherfucker has everything but a S tier assist. Give him that, and he will be confirmed to be S tier. People get mad salty about this character…

  • I believe there is a large amount of characters that are viable in Marvel.

  • You can say that Spencer has a lot of problem, but I don’t think people will believe it at this point.

  • I haven’t seen many pros who don’t believe Zero is not top five, at all.

-I don’t really think Dante dominates the Cast, but he can do just about anything. Therefore I can see why many believe he is better than Vergil in that sense.

  • Doom isn’t necessarily godlike on point, but he is a candiate for ten for the fact that he is both amazing on point or as an assist.

  • Nova isn’t really Overrated to be honest. He has a few minor problems, but he is still solid as a rock.

  • I don’t believe Firebrand or Viper are S tier. They are simply good characters, not characters that could dominate the entire cast yet. If they were, I more than think they would show it. It could change, just like how Vanilla Phoenix slowly became S tier because she proved she is S tier material. By like Vanilla Phoenix, I mean by winning god damn near everything major at the end of vanilla, and the entire metgame orbits around her.

  • Phoenix Wright isn’t roll tier yet. He is going to be similar to Hakan /Gen where he is extremely underedeveloped because nobody gives the character a shot.

  • A C tier character can still be viable. It’s not impossible. Hsien-Ko((Top 16, something 2/3rd of the cast has never done before) has proven that it’s possible with a decent team around her. Haggar has one of the best results for a character highly consider to be low tier.

I play Jill. Same story, I’ve played with all the OTG assist quite extensively.