Those lose to swords. Seriously, TK Ovedrive is an amazing move, but swords do beat it.
Rush down characters are still gonna have a hard time with her. Phoenix may be easier, but Dark Phoenix has her feathers still to keep out rush characters, and only a handful of characters have projectile counters that will stop them and stop her from shooting them. Teleporters will have an easy time to get in, but it would be easy to get caught in the cross fire of the feathers. Not to mention she still has her own teleports to get behind the rushers or teleporters as well. You do realize that the nerf is for her air right? She can still spam the hell out of TK shot on the ground. lol Super jump to get over the wall of TK shots only to land onto a Homing TK shot, classic…
Yess!! Im so glad they nerfed Phoenix. They should give her 1hp when she turns DP. Honestly all she has to do now is die xfactor and spam tk shots and walla!! Victory!!! No skill required! Seriously give Phoenix normal health around 600 - 700k and when she dies Dark Phoenix will start with one hp. That way its more fair for the opponent and its not as cheap. So they should buff Phoenix and nerf Dark Phoenix for balance and she would still be top tier. I may even use her once in a while! If someone kills my whole team with Dark Phoenix and she only has 1hp I can respect that, but as she is now is just complete bullcrap. They should also nerf her feathers so they dont do chip damage.
If you nerf Dark Phoenix, whats the point of having her then? It’s Phoenix’s gimmick. If they were to buff Phoenix’s health and damage output then they’d need to take out Dark Phoenix because she’d be too powerful overall. Giving Dark Phoenix low health like 1 hp isn’t a good nerf, it’s a lazy one, especially if all the hard work being put into Dark Phoenix doesn’t pay off. Playing well is one thing and spamming is another. You want to nerf her health to 1 because she can spam? I guess they should do that for all the characters since everyone can spam. The only reason Phoenix is top tier is because of the teams she is on and Dark Phoenix. Look as of now and before, the fight could go either way, Dark Phoenix and Phoenix can die easy, Phoenix being the chance for opponents to stop Dark Phoenix from showing up. And Dark Phoenix for the player as a comeback. As for the feathers, really? Everyone’s specials cause chip. Her lower health, drainning health and restricted air play should help opponents fight her.
The point im trying to make is all she has to do die and get rewarded with Dark Phoenix. Why not give Phoenix more health and Dark Phoenix less? Its not hard to kill a character with Dark Phoenix without getting touched, plus theyre adding air x-factor. Regular Phoenix is better than most of the cast anyway so if she dies that shouldnt be a good thing.
Theoretically it would make for better gameplay and be alot more balanced yet STILL op, because she could still x-factor but if she makes a mistake she dies - again. With that being said Dark Phoenix wouldnt cost meter, then you could play an all out Phoenix.
A Dark Phoenix comeback isnt a comeback its a slaughter.
She will be more than okay, you’re just spoiled.
Phoenix already has more health then Dark Phoenix. Dark Phoenix’s life constantly drains meanning she has to use healing field non stop to stay alive, while regular Phoenix doesn’t. The health for Dark Phoenix is fine because she already can die from most bnb combos and the drainning health also adds to the damage she takes. Yes she could die if she makes a mistake but she would’t get a chance if the opponent were to mess up either. As of now, if an opponent were to mess up a combo on Dark Phoenix she could counter strike.
Stand back and see the character as a whole. If you give Phoenix more health then you have to tone down everything that gives her the advantage over other players. (damage which is low already, speed would need to be slowed a bit down, specials like TK shot H would have to disappear quicker and dissapear if she gets hit and the same for the Traps, hypers like Phoenix Rage’s damage would need to be altered a bit and Healing Sphere’s time and speed at which she heals would need to change as well and Dark Phoenix Rising which includes the additional damage would need to be lowered) Right now her health is low and her damage output is low but only because she has Dark Phoenix to counter balance the both of them. Phoenix as a whole gets 700,000- 900,000 from reviving depending on what version you look at and Dark Phoenix getting a damage increase + addtional damage from the feathers. If Phoenix changes, whats stopping her from getting chipped right after she changes with her 1 HP? X-Factor would have to be used in such a small window, if the player messed up she’s gone. The way she was designed works. If you want to change something then the character is going to be unbalanced and become broken.
Real talk imo, all they needed to do was yank that teleport away from her. That would have been an easy and balanced nerf. She shouldn’t even fucking HAVE a teleport, I’ve never seen her use one in anything she’s been in until MVC. And as good as her salty balls and traps are, she shouldn’t be able to BAMF up on your ass while they are still out. If they kept her like she is in Vanilla and just pulled the teleport, I’d be happy.
I honestly think Phoenix and Dark Phoenix are fine, and all of the problems regarding this character are surrounding how X-Factor functions, and not Phoenix herself. Yes, Dark Phoenix is very strong even without X-Factor, but she should be, since she costs 5 bars of meter. I don’t think she’s ridiculous with X-Factor, though, which is the problem.
She can’t use them to save her already low health now hmm…I guess the whiners can stop complaining about the TK shots overall now. I’m gonna guess they’re gonna complain even more about her traps now >:(
They really went out of their way to make phoenix completely useless. She has no way to defend herself at all anymore they really just need to remove her from the roster and add someone else if they really believe what they said “We dont want any useless characters.” Less health, One air action, several ways to steal meter and now fireballs disappear when she gets hit. Yuck Capcom seriously. I can guarantee no one will even bother with her.
yh i just saw that … im sad all over again
I look forward to playing her now.
I wont be surprised if they still complain . I hope they are happy 
So im guessin new strategy is jump up throw H fireball fall down and wait and block? lol
the idea of even playin her on point now is ridiculous
As a former Phoenix player (played her from launch to July) Trust me when I tell you that after you drop her from your team. This game gets so much better and so will your skills
While I agree with this sentiment (I mained her to about the same time) I also just like the character and seeing how worthless she’s becoming just makes me sad.
Since everyone has figured out that you can snap Phoenix in with Mag/Wolv/Dante and have assist waiting, like Sent/Tron/Akuma, I have already had to improve my game with other characters. Some cross ups are just impossible to avoid even with Phoenix. It’s funny to me that IF someone snaps in my Phoenix and kills her, they think I’m free. But I still have my other two characters and they make the mistake of thinking the match is over. And you can feel the salt coming from the TV when they kill your Phoenix and then get beat by Thor. While Phoenix IS one of my favorite characters (in the game and out) I still like to be proficient maybe not great with the others.
On a side note… Will these nerfs FINALLY stop people from whining about Phoenix? Is it finally enough?
As long as she has 5 meters and turns into Dark Phoenix with lvl 3 X-factor, the crying will never stop.
Seeing the nerfs pile on is really disheartening for me. At least everyone else whos characters that got nerfs got at least some buff or buffs that will help their play.
I just hope that the final product will be my worthwhile.
I would have much prefered to see Dark Phoenix Rises become a level 3, lasting for roughly 500 frames and Healing Field to be removed in favor of an offensive hyper. Then with a health buff and the TK shot nerf she would be alot more practical and Dark Phoenix would be much less of a factor but still an important part of her game. i might have even picked her back up.
That could have work but her low health would become a problem. You’d have to raise it since she can’t comeback and to compensate for no Healing field.
The way they created her Dark Phoenix rising hyper is fine, IMO because she is more comic style then made up style. Jean has never been able to get back control from Dark Phoenix unless someone weakened Dark Phoenix first. (in Endsong, wolvierine killed her 6 times before Jean could get back in control). If she’d just change back and forth it wouldn’t be true to the character.
Since everyone is throwing around ideas how about if she gets a seperate small health bar of like say 100,000 to stay as Dark Phoenix and when it reached zero regular Phoenix would be in play again. Cost 3 bars, no feathers, keep the Traps and Tk shot enhances. Healing field could be taken out or left as well. This could also let an increase in health overall for Phoenix too. That would be interesting to see.