UMvC3 Hulk

[MechWarrior]

Say that I catch someone with a Hulk M command throw, can I combo off that with Super-Skrull’s Stone Smite assist?

[fiddlestix]

Say that I catch someone with a Hulk M command throw, can I combo off that with Super-Skrull’s Stone Smite assist?

You possibly try dash+stonesmite, jump cancel the dash, and see where you are. Dunno if you can catch up. maybe you can plink dash afterwards, or another dashing jump cancel to do j:h:, and j:s:.

[MechWarrior]

Lemme get in the lab and try different timings, because it wasn’t working if I called the assist right after the throw at midscreen.
Thanks.

[electric]

Ok, so shit has been pretty quiet around here lately. I’ve come up with some stuff that I think is worth discussing.

I recently figured out a couple of things that are applicable to Hulk that I don’t think many people have touched on so far.

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[]Hulk’s forward dash cancel window. This started getting some action when the M command throw nerf came about - I mentioned in passing that Hulk had a “wave dash” of sorts, which allowed Hulk to cancel his dash into a normal or crouch during a specific window in his forward dash. What I didn’t realise was that this window also applies to specials. This isn’t usually a big deal because you can just jump cancel a special during ANY point in his forward dash. All except Gamma Wave, which is a charge move and for some reason, can’t be jump cancelled into. This brings me on to my second discovery…
[]There’s a strange input leniency with charge moves in this game. I’m not sure if anyone else has discovered this, but once you’ve held your back charge for long enough (that’s any combination of back directions for what I think is 60 frames for Gamma Wave) you can “store” that charge. What I mean by that, is that you can let go of back for a brief moment, do something, then press back, then forward instantly and your move will come out. I’m going to try explain this as best I can without being able to record anything.
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[]With Hulk, walk backwards for 2 seconds.
[]Let the stick go to Neutral, then go back to walking backwards for less than 2 seconds
[]**REPEAT STEP 2 AS MANY TIMES AS YOU LIKE **(do this slow enough that you don’t accidentally back dash)
[]From walking back, press forward and attack - you should get the Gamma Wave
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Now, there are a few conditions I figured out while testing this:
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[]You have to start with a full charge. You can’t charge for 30 frames, go to neutral, then charge for another 30 frames and Gamma Wave
[]Your charge disappears if you press any forward direction, then go back to charging. Charging at down+back, going to forward, then going back to down+back will not work. Neutral, Up and Down are the only directions this seems to work with.
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Now, to tie back in to what I originally said about Hulk’s dash cancel window. This discovery makes it possible to hold down+back for 2 seconds, wave dash x amount of times, then Gamma Wave. You can do this by doing down+back to get your charge, briefly letting go of charge and doing a 2 button dash, then going straight back to down+back again. Press forward+attack and out comes the Gamma Wave.
I haven’t found too many applications for this just yet as I just discovered it, but I’m putting it to the public so we can get some more discussion going since these boards have been pretty dead lately. One I did think of was using a long range lock down assist (Hidden Missiles, Bolts of Ballsacks) to allow you to gain charge, then dashing in and using Gamma Wave as they exit block stun. Gamma Wave is positive on block if you aren’t point blank, which sets up his frame trap game pretty well. You can also do something like s.H + drones, cancel H into Horizontal Gamma Charge and start charging for Gamma Wave during the block stun.
TL;DR - Hulk is secretly OP, what nasty shit is waiting to be abused?

[StriderAaron360]

Hmm. Very informative. Videos usually help me understand these kind of things better, though.

[insanelee]

how much plus frames is wave?

[electric]

It depends on the spacing - L wave is -1 on block if the rocks hit on the very first frame. Space it out and you can get some heavy frame advantage

[electric]

Hmm. Very informative. Videos usually help me understand these kind of things better, though.

Fair enough - if I had the right equipment I would totally make a video of this. Anyone out there with the right gear want to put something together?

[koko_pops]

Hey guys, not sure if this deserves a new topic or not but I found something really interesting while playing around with Hulk earlier, almost as a complete accident. I was hoping the community could try to flesh this out so we could develop it into real Hulk technology.

Everybody knows that Hulk is really reliant on jump ins to begin attacks. But most of the time these jump ins default to j.S due to the fantastic properties involved.

And as all Hulk players know Hulk’s j.H causes him to clap and cancel all momentum, resetting his air trajectory and also his air velocity. It’s a useful move for stopping a deep jump in among other things.

What we may not all know is that Hulk’s j.L, like most of the cast in the game is chainable into itself one time. For most characters this is completely meaningless. For the Hulk through it helps open up a big new world of jump in options.

First off some basics on Hulk’s j.L, since it is the heart of the ideas below: It is angled for jump-ins, comes out in 7f, active for 3, and is +15 on hit, +13 on guard. That’s as much advantage on guard as Chun-Li’s j.H!

Speaking of j.H…
Normally doing a j.H against a grounded foe is suboptimal, j.S has a lot better properties and is easy to confirm into major damage combos. But if you do a deep j.H you will end up in a weird position where you canceled your momentum right above an opponent. Usually there’s not much you can do here except call an assist or put yourself in an unfavorable position. But I accidentally discovered that in certain cases you can perform a nearly invisible j.L after the clap, giving you a completely unreactable overhead. Even better this j.L doesn’t change your fall directory, and as soon as you land you can do cr.L and if all three just hit they will combo and open up all of Hulk’s combos starting off cr.L. If all three are blocked they seem to act like a full blockstring/frametrap, and best of all the ambiguous j.L in the middle can cause some really silly high/low mixups. Because not even you the player can detect if the j.L is coming out it is impossible to know if you should block high or low. This kind of mixup is something that is normally completely alien to the Hulk.

The best ways to start this “mix-up” seem to be in the corner because you can use the enemy collision box.

• Deep jump ins which place Hulk right above the opponent in the corner. Because he has to fall “around” the opponent’s collision box he spends more time in the air, which makes the j.L more likely to come out cleanly.
• Using j.H higher in the air, but this can make the j.L more transparent.
• In the corner it is very easy to tick throw the opponent with the j.L. j.L is +13 on block, and Gamma Tornado L is 11f startup, 2f active and is actually TOO FAST unless you delay it. Gamma Tornado M is 16f startup, 2f active and seems to give the opponent about 2-3fs to move.

But the mixup also works midscreen, the only issue is that your cr.L isn’t going to reach most of the time. You can still enter combos and use the ambiguous second overhead though.

Additionally from some basic testing you can also do this:

• Deep jumpin H, visually confirm enemy is blocking during the clap, call a low assist while clapping (sadly Wesker is of course best at this), and j.L on the way down. This is REALLY easy to do, and the high/low hit within 1-2 frames of each other.

And finally to add additional mixup to everything above: A very simple jump-in of j.L j.L. It works similar to the above with most of the same options including tick throws and near invisibility if done at the right height, the only loss being the Wesker unblockable. You have to use the first j.L pretty high up, but once you get this down it makes Hulk feel like a completely different character.

awesome info bro, gonna be using this especially jl to coomand grab siiiick!
was wondering do you know how to wavedash with hulk, where is this info would change my game!

[koko_pops]

His wave dash is just constant hops and I honestly haven’t found a reason to wave dash with Hulk since dash-jump cancelling is the better option in my opinion.

could you be more specific on how to this even if its just hops. there is a use for it, u can connect coomand grab into a combo with projectile assist with wave hop.
would apprerciate more tips on how you do it?

[electric]

was wondering do you know how to wavedash with hulk, where is this info would change my game!

It’s not a “proper” wave dash, and can only be done with his forward dash. Right as he’s landing from his jump animation, you cancel into crouch, normal or special. Just cancel into crouch, then dash again. The timing takes a little bit of getting used to, but it’s really simple and greatly improves how fast Hulk can move from full screen to right in your face, assuming you have something to clear the path ways (think drones, hidden missiles, Gamma Tsunami/Okami Shuffle THC)

[electric]

could you be more specific on how to this even if its just hops. there is a use for it, u can connect coomand grab into a combo with projectile assist with wave hop.
would apprerciate more tips on how you do it?

And yes, this is one of the most important reasons for learning how to do the wave dash - it opens up some otherwise impossible combo opportunities

[koko_pops]

And yes, this is one of the most important reasons for learning how to do the wave dash - it opens up some otherwise impossible combo opportunities

thanks for replying bro, i can wave dash which is useful, But how do you do that weird looking hop dash? you what i mean like they cancel his dash so fast. Bum uses this technique.

[electric]

thanks for replying bro, i can wave dash which is useful, But how do you do that weird looking hop dash? you what i mean like they cancel his dash so fast. Bum uses this technique.

I mentioned that above - check here: UMvC3 Hulk

[Juece]

I still haven’t found much use for wave dashing with hulk, if I need to dash in to attack is just Tiger knee my AA gamma charge and combo with that.

[koko_pops]

I mentioned that above - check here: UMvC3 Hulk

bro i dont think you get me, your description just says how to do a wave or plink dash im looking for that bum technology, i could be wrong if so please put up a vid of it

[electric]

bro i dont think you get me, your description just says how to do a wave or plink dash im looking for that bum technology, i could be wrong if so please put up a vid of it

Pretty sure we’re talking about the same thing - the “hop dash” IS Hulks wave dash.

[koko_pops]

Pretty sure we’re talking about the same thing - the “hop dash” IS Hulks wave dash.

ok lets make a reference point have you seen bum play, im talking about that dash he does after a command throw? if you know that reference are we talking about the same thing?

[electric]

Yep. Same thing.

After command throw, dash, then right as Hulk lands from his dash animation, crouch, then immediately dash again - it can also be done as a plink dash rather than crouch, which I personally find easier.

[koko_pops]

Yep. Same thing.

After command throw, dash, then right as Hulk lands from his dash animation, crouch, then immediately dash again - it can also be done as a plink dash rather than crouch, which I personally find easier.

just to make sure heres a video reference [media=youtube]zhT00h1LQPw[/media]

at the 3:03 mark he does it, i hear what your saying on how to do it but for me those are the directions for his plink dash im not getting even close to doing the dash he does at 3:03