an ultra can definitely share the same charge as a fireball, the question is if F instead of DF works for guile’s ultra, and if not, is the leniency enough so that you can do df, f +p and then db, ub +kkk and have the ultra activate even though you added the extra f input.
The thing is, apparently chun’s only works if they don’t tech, if that’s the case it’s probably due to the charge and the timing. and it’s probably the same for Guile too. But then again, Guile recovers faster.
Hell even if it doesn’t work for his current Ultra, there’s a chance that in Super, it might work for Sonic Hurricane.
I can’t believe I forgot about sonic hurricane. Too bad I can’t test that. Seems more likely to work than his Ultra I That would be sick.
Only problem with Guile is finding a setup that allow for a meaty SB after knockdown.
Does it only happen with meaty fireballs on wake up? What about landing on a meaty FB?
you can press Charge DB, DF~UF, DB, UB~Uf to do Guiles ultra, shot that should be no problem. Probably won’t work with U2 though, as it is a projectile, and SSFIV seems to cut down on supers/ultra projectiles that can be performed with a projectile on-screen.
I’m curious if I have the defensive options right here. Sorry if some of these are totally off. I haven’t tested the set-ups myself mainly because I’m just not used to the characters that have them.
You get into an untechable down, someone puts a fireball over you. You can.
Backdash is probably your best option vs Seth’s backthrow unblockable, but some character’s can’t do it depending on how the SB hits. If you can’t backdash, your only option is a reversal who’s invincibility frames matches our has more invincibility frames than Seth’s ultra has active frames, or that brings you up over Seth’s Ultra’s hitbox. If you can’t do neither of these, it’s guaranteed. Maybe if you have a special move that makes you airborne on the first frame, but I don’t know if one of those exists.
I maybe found an escape?
Mashing on a standing attack seems to allow you to block.
It worked on Seths and Sakuras for me…
EDIT:
[media=youtube]iQ9sxDZILA0[/media]
Please test it out.
EDIT2: doesn’t seem to work on Rose’s, though
EDIT3: looks like it depends on the setup and placement of the projectile?
Some tests I did at capcom-unity upon seeing that vid.
I’m having the hardest time replicating that video. The timing is so tight.
There are also some setups where if you leave the stick at neutral before the flash, and start blocking during the flash, you can block…but, if try blocking before the flash you get hit.
So, it may not be the standing attack that’s doing the trick, but simply not blocking pre-flash.
Whatever’s going on, it definitely doesn’t work on every set-up.
Maybe Cammy can block because she wakes up one frame later?
So Seth’s backthrow -> MP SB -> Ultra is still guaranteed on Guile?
Ex flash kick might be an escape, but the imput to escape might be as tight as the imput for the unblockable.
^ pffft, no way man.
The Unblockable Ultra is very tight. It seems you have to time it to come out on the exact frame the opponent gets up into the projectile.
Reversals though? What’s the window on those? 7-8 frames or some shit? Reversals are TOO easy in this game.
More videos are always helpful.
Here’s one of Cammy against a Rose dummy. [media=youtube]a0v-N_Yu1WA"[/media]
Staying neutral definitely doesn’t work at least not in this matchup, and it’s not in the video but I didn’t get mashing an attack to work.
However there is definitely character-specific timing at least on this one. Using this timing I started out with against Cammy, only she, Dhalsim, Sagat, and Balrog (though Balrog could escape by stand-blocking) would get hit. Blanka would still be facing away by the time of the ultra flash and be able to block afterwards. The rest of the characters would be able to block the projectile before the flash.
i was thinking about the possibility of him timing the rose after the cr.rh. There’s a ton of time while they are in the air, and it might give you enough time to throw the rose, recover and allow the rose to put them in hitstun/googly eyes for the ultra.
after a throw might work too, but he may also have possible setups after his juggles. i’m not sure if the rose is fadc-able, but it’s said to be used as a meaty on wakeup in the corner after an untechable and then allow you to followup with mixups, so you should have time to use it.
Ok found a true setup for sagat , where u cant stay neutral then block after animation , will post on youtube . 'guess more crying ’ lol
None of his reversals nor his backdash works.
I’m guessing it’s this video? [media=youtube]l36yu_f4lJg[/media]