To play footsies you need a good walk speed. Zangief is crap in this game
Could you possibly be any more wrong? lol
Lol wow. Focus is great in this game, makes fireballs into free super and characters with good dashes can get positioning almost for free in a lot of cases. The fuck is this shit.
You probably don’t know the meaning of the word ‘footsies’. It’s not standing still spamming LK xx EX green hand. Zangief has slow walk speed, terrible dash and useless focus. And he sucks
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Focus attack/dash is VERY powerful. It practically negates fireballs and level 2 crumple can be stupid good. Again, look at what PR Rog did with Balrog’s focus. Also, in comparison to the 3S parry system its MUCH easier to use.
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st. lk xx Green Hand IS a footsie tool. Zangief is getting in range and using st. lk to get a hit or counter-hit, and buffering green hand.
Negates fireballs? PARRYING negates fireballs, son. Focus is crap compared to parrying. Focus can’t negate fireballs when you get the FULL damage from a stupid fireball which is clearly overpowered and should be nerfed, and you have to cancel the focus with a crappy dash with a ton of recovery. Look at 3rd Strike’s dashes. You absorb two fireballs, then you get a stupid cLP and you get A LOT of damage.
I’ve seen what PR Balrog did, and you know what? In a FT10 he would have been destroyed. That’s a gimmick which becomes useless after the 3rd match
Long range it makes fireballs a free way of getting ultra. Mid-range you can absorb and still dash back. Close range and you can use it to dash forward and punish (see: Infiltration’s Akuma vs. Ryu’s). Yeah, as you get closer you need to make better reads. So? At least in 3S you have to be very good at timing with the parry. And you need to make a high/low read.
In what world are fireballs too powerful in SF4? Are we playing the same game? I’m not going to comment on what you said about PR Rog, that’s pure speculation.
I agree with two things about his post, and those are that footsies are kinda weak in this game, and the focus attack thing PR Rog was doing wouldn’t have worked for much longer. However, focus attacks are not too weak whatsoever, they are actually part of the reason why foosties are sub par in this game as they make projectiles and slower pokes risky to throw out in fear of getting crumpled. Not to mention they build you free ultra when used correctly. You’re making it sound like you want focus attacks to be a move where you can just throw it out with no risk, which would make footsies even worse.
Also, zoning/keepaway is absolute ass in SF4, again a side effect of focus attacks. If anything, they should nerf focus attacks by taking out the LV1 CH crumple aspect.
It’s 44 characters + random, meaning 45 slots.
So we’ll either get 5 rows/columns with 9 slots or 3 rows/columns with 15 slots.
Mhh…
For the sake of discussion: what about removing crumple from all focus attacks except level 3? That way, if you focus a slow poke you can still absorb, attack, and dash away. But no crumple.
I don’t know level 3 takes forever to build.
sweet merciful crap, so many stupid things said lately to quote them all.
first off, walk speed may affect the way you play footsies, but talent and patience will determine your footise game. vangief, snake eyes and itibashi have all proven zangief to be scary in the right hands with the right buttons, good spacing and knowledge of the matchup. so whomever disregarded zangief as a sucky character with bad footsies has just exposed their ignorance.
second, stop with the third strike comparisons of focus versus parry. they are two different elements for two different games. mentioning it isn’t going to grant you instant cred or og status.
third, fireballs are OP now? we just had a grand finals and multiple high level matches where fireballs, thrown by very intelligent players, were punished. hard. focus and footsies helped make that possible. at the same time, fireballs and zoning are viable again in iteration (john choi’s sagat vs fchamp’s sim at starbase a few years back was awesome) and you want to point to the absorbing of fireballs as a downside? here’s a tip, don’t rush in and get hit with cr.lp if you’ve been absorbing all those fireballs.
fouth, focus attacks are a great way of exposing someone who is just spamming moves for the hell of it versus someone who actually knows how to play footsies. if you’re complaining about not being able to play footsies because focus absorbs moves, or your walkspeed is too slow, or that focus absorbs your slow ass option for a poke, then your idea of footsies is to probably wiggle to joystick back and forth while occassionally pressing jab, cr.forward or sweep. please learn how and what footsies are before complaining they don’t exist or suck without good walkspeed. sonichurricane.com or domination101 for your uninformed ass.
finally, getting rid of hard knockdowns on anything but super and ultra is one of the most retarded things anyone can ask for.
btw recent changes to gief in ultra will make “gief sucks” an even dumber statement…and they didn’t improve his walk speed.
You don’t have to be so hostile man, it’s just an opinion. Focus attacks actually do take a lot away from traditional footsies, if you can’t see that, then I don’t know what to tell you. An example is on SFxT where Vega, a character that relies solely on footsies and ground control, is a lot better just based on the fact that focus attacks don’t exist in that game. LV1 CH focus attack is stupid imo, it makes throwing out random focus attacks too rewarding. You don’t need focus attacks to punish someone who is mindlessly throwing out moves if you know how to whiff punish, which is one of the main points of footsies. If you’re throwing out a slow poke, it’s most likely because you need that move to beat out one of your opponents main tools, not to try and bait something out only to get focus crumpled for your efforts.
I don’t hate the focus system, I’ve actually learned to use it to my advantage like most other people. I just think it changes the way traditional street fighter characters play.
A lot of what makes Vega better in SFxT isn’t the lack of focus it’s the boost combos from such range. Every poke he gets turns into good damage. Even if focus was in that game you could probably just boost it for a break.
Footsies…moving yourself into a position to make your opponent press a button, making them whiff, then punishing with your own. Focus attacks are baits for people who like to press buttons, walk forwards while mindlessly option-selecting a cancelable special move and think that what they’re doing is playing footsies. Randomly sticking out moves isn’t footsies, and that’s exactly what focus attack punishes. If a dude focuses right in front of your face, stop pressing buttons and thinking you should have swept him because he was standing in front of you. He stood in front of you to bait you, and you’re paying the price because you think that throwing out unsafe pokes is footsies. It’s not.
well youre kinda right. in an older game where the buttons recover a bunch faster the random button presses would carry less risk if you looked at the button in a vaccum. but theres a bunch of other things to factor in. like in an older game you still cant just mindlessly spam a button because its a bunch easier to make it whiff with everyone probably walking way faster. so you could maybe hit the button with less apparent risk, but a good player is still going to push your shit in for doing things without thinking
focus attacks are a part of footsies in SF4. everyone likes to say they ruin footsies, but really its just another element you have to think about. so yeah, mindlessly pressing a button after walking back and forth is not sound footsies in this game