Speak for yourself with this low-tier hero nonsense. I want a competitive character.
May god forbid we see another “Well Vega players felt he didn’t need much” quote again and only see him get nerfs and never used/seen retarded buffs that makes go wha…huh…why and for more 2 more years of seeing vega players not doing much or anything in tournies.
Man, if they’re considering making EX FBA invincible to the wall then fuck EX ST. You’d have your AA option right there busting through them on wake up or jump in, or simply get to your wall without damage for instant Izuna or the other wall safely and ID. If Capcom wants to take away EX ST invincibility and give us that instead, then by all means, please do so. That’s a way bigger buff. It’s easily more useful.
I’m sad they’re going to nerf him now. Claw player finally gets to the top, doesn’t win, and they start nerfing. Really? So all Akuma players should never be allowed to win and should be nerfed for taking tournaments? What kind of fucked up logic is that.
Seriously, just make EVERYONE in the cast ridiculous, and fun to play. That’s all that matters, is that everyone has every tool they need to win and is fun to play.
If people always say ‘‘well Vega players felt he didn’t need much’’
What we get will be Vega ends up like AEv2012. Nothing changes. Oh well, worst tier =))
This reminds me of pre AE on this board where that pai chick and jozhear would argue against iframes on ST. Or to just learn the 1f links because they’re so easy…Oh noes bandwagoners, my precious low tier hero status is ruined etc were the usual arguments. Hilarious times.
Now here we are with all the buffs we wanted and we still have someone who thinks otherwise because after 4 years someone finally made it to top 25 in evo and therefore we no longer need a single, ex meter, db charge, 4f get the fuck off me move. Sure…
If that’s all you took from my post so be it.
Does everyone have a problem with me disagreeing with the majority? I have my opinions, I decide to share it and it’s received poorly.
People assume I want Vega to remain the same even though I expressed the changes I deemed necessary and those I felt aren’t.
No where in my posts did I say that Vega is fine the way he is, yet somehow people respond as if I did.
I honestly don’t get you people.
Thanks Vegaman for actually replying to my posts unbiasedly and engaging in a decent discussion.
Just wanted to say Tatsu made top 16 at EVO in vanilla.
:Edit Also Nicfurious, the reason why so many people dislike all of your post because of all this
"low-tier heroism oh im self centered let me say been using vega ever since vanilla over and over again blah blah let me show you my epic hipster jealousy mentality by saying im worried about bandwagoners picking up vega if hes too good boo hoo… oh knows too many people are asking for a decent AA better show up on here and protest against it but im gonna use the words such as opinion cuz knobody should have any reason to show opposing judgement to my opinions i would be shocked if they do… thats not enough let me say how long ive been maining again and say people may call me crazy or people might say I dont know what im talking and knowlng continue to post crazy / ignorant things… let me see these buffs for vega again … DEAR GOD!! (@_@) they over buffed Vega. Oh how in the world with other characters (who mostly all has been buffed also) will compete with this new god? whom i say whom.
Again i am person thinks the delayed wake up mechanic makes it neccessary to say he doesnt need AA anymore for no reason at all, if both are in there hes overbuffed…
But hey im gonna throws these magic words to make everything I said not crazy and have everthing i said make sense and to protect me from negative feedback, but in reality doesnt do crap…
“in my OPINION”
ok im done, theres more but nah. This was all based on a true documented story. (’-’ )
Well if you remove the human element and look purely at risk vs reward and options available this clears up pretty quickly. As bangmango pointed out, this has been debated for going on 5 years now. At this point most ppl have their mind already made up of how they think he should be. That’s one of the reasons your opinion wasn’t well received. A simple search or browse of these threads will show you your exact argument about EX ST and the numerous counter arguments along with it. Another reason it wasn’t well received is because anyone who has put in the time to seriously learn Vega would become aware of these serious issues relatively quickly. And anyone whose actually mained Vega the entire 5 years is frankly tired of having to work at least twice as hard as the opponent to win… letting shitty players get away with rediculously stupid and brain dead shit simply because we lack the needed options and tools to deal with it. Maybe not everyone here feels that way, but I sure am tired of the scales being perma-tipped against me.
We’ll adapt and adjust to make our character work the best we can, and don’t get me wrong I love a good fight as much as the next guy… but I want a bit more fairness in the equation.
Finally, your opinion wasn’t well received because you spoke as if you were someone that struggles against Vega (case in point the part about avoiding mirrors) far more than someone that has an actual understanding of the character and its flaws. Not saying this is the case or not. I dunno. But that’s what you projected.
Most ppl want defensive options. I… on the other hand acknowledge this is a strongly defensive game and that I would prefer more offensive based options. That’s why I only asked for 1 defensive option, with everything else something that expands his offense. Honestly as long as 2 of the problems I listed for Vega are fixed, I’m really indifferent to what the exact changes are.
Looks like cHP is staying addressing the first problem. Reducing the risk of attempting to keep ppl out.
The 2nd one doesn’t seem like its going to stay. Getting ppl off with a reduced risk. Aka EX ST. Personally, I agree with you. I don’t think he needs invincibility on EX ST. But for a different reason. I think its worthless. Besides, I think having the ability to force a stand from the opponent with a legitimate threat of serious damage is more important of a problem to deal with than adding a reversal option on defense.
It takes opponents 2 to 6 correct reads or guesses to win the round against Vega (yes Cammy wins in 2 guesses). It takes Vega 4 to 8 correct reads or guesses to win the round. And when you look at Vega’s options on offense and realize the strength of down back, you see how difficult those 4 to 8 reads to get become. As much as i argued with Trias about him rating matchups too low, they were based off my own personal experience fighting against the character. When you break it down to a fundamental level like this though, its clear most matchups are not in Vega’s favor at all. Even ones we win pretty often.
If we’re not to have a reversal then we need better offense. Now whether that means a damage increase, a sheer increase of the number of options available, or some combination of both, I’m not too picky as long as the job gets done (5f U2 would have been almost sufficient IMO due to the ability to combo from cMK). I have my preferences of course just like everyone.
As for the EX FBA getting invincibility all the way to the wall, sure I’ll take it… but if EX ST having 4 frames of invincibility is already a problem, then this has no chance. Besides, it’ll turn into a spammed move everyone will bitch about.
Ex FBA invincible to the wall is so stupid that my colon is snaking out of my ass, tying itself into a noose and hanging me from the ceiling fan as I type th
Well, you didn’t ask for this, but I’ll talk about it anyway. These were the people I had to face:
**Choisauce **- He used Elena. It wasn’t fair that I picked Vega, but I was kind of hoping to win the tournament. If it was more casual, I would have played Rolento.
**Blaqskills **- He used Deejay. I believe this is very much in Vega’s favor, regardless of the version.
Mike Ross - I didn’t destroy him, but it was much easier with this new version. I abused cr.HP (both when he was in the air, and grounded), and punished his EX Headbutt with ease. The match got easier for Vega.
Alex Valle - I’ve never beaten him in tournament before. But this one doesn’t count. He used Rolento, a brand new character, for the first match. So I got lucky there. I also got pretty lucky with the Red Focus on the second match (EVEN THOUGH I KNEW HE WAS LOOKING FOR THAT LOW FORWARD! Damn you Valle…) - Lastly…I put the fear in his heart with my U2. He was really afraid of doing a fireball. That, plus my EX ST, put a lot of pressure on him.
Snake Eyez - He’s an amazing player. I might have done a little better knowing to wait later on the EX ST, but in the end, he was the stronger player that night.
I guess to answer your question, yes, there are still characters that will make Vega look weak. I don’t agree with Vega being “Vega-tier” by any means. Have you seen Ken? Ken is retarded right now. Rolento is insanely versatile. Juri is scary as hell, and let’s not even get into Yang.
Honestly, I really hate using the lp.rcf. I feel like mp.rcf is the way to go, if you’re just doing it for chip. However, I like to use it as a limb-eater. Depending on which rcf you do, it can eat up certain normals that your opponent uses. This way, you can eat up their crouch tech, or their move that they are trying to punish it with. It makes it very frustrating for the opponent, plus you get a ton of meter (which we can now use for EX ST), as well as positional advantage.
Also, I had a pretty good lineup of people to play against at Evo this year. No Abel, no Cammy, no Adon. Those 3 are my least favorites (with Rufus at 4th).
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Also also also also, for the record, the guy who mentioned that Japan was considering making EX FBA invincible all the way up, was just some guy at the arcade. It wasn’t Peter. AKA no idea if it is true AKA take it with a grain of salt you guys!
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We will be seeing a new build soon, so let’s pray that Vega can KKK the nerf bat until Evo 2014!
Maybe japanese people have a problem with Claw. I mean, how could we blame them : they already have problems with some Claw players (Reiketsu, and Makoto0124 in his time) ending in winners bracket. You want them to respect Claw as much as any other character ? Please, how could they tolerate a Claw on par with other chars !
Just see where this leads : in what way being on par with others would make us OP ? If our players are already good, it’s because of their skill, damned, certainly not 'cause of our sub par character… =o
And why does this logic would apply only to us ? Chris does not even win this tournament, and we’re already broken. What about Ryu, Adon, and Gouki, how were they NOT nerfed with that much tournaments won ? If Capcom does acknoweldge Ryu’s players right to have a decent character, and the skill to win with it… Why does it triggers so much panic that a single vega player makes it to winners bracket in a tournament where people don’t even use their mains ?
Oh yea I forgot to to mention Chris King and Alex valle good use of Red Focus with vega it was pretty badass looks like it helps at the cost of two meters.
could be a conspiracy with madcatz and Capcom to make sure their players win in every tournament 
Capcom always OS that.
Yeah, we dodge the regular nerf bat when waking-up, and then we’ll eat the ultra one while recovering… -_-
Well, let’s see the bright side of things : we didn’t expect I-frames on EX-ST in the first place. =)
Only my humbe first-post scrub opinion - but has anyone payed attention to Vegas Air throw? If there are any changes?
Because I really think it’s the worst in game and could use a little shift or buff on the hitbox.
btw. @TriasNT
Thanks for your youtube tutorials =)
You’re welcome, Oldboii. ^^
About airthrow, it’s quite good in fact, but is designed only to beat predicted jump-ins, while opponent is slighly under you. They purposefully shifted the hitbox under hurtbox so that it could not be used as an all purpose anti-air. So to ask them shifting it upwards is almost the same than asking for an anti-air in fact. =)
(nice Avatar, btw =D)
Yeah well I’m just jealous of Guile airthrowing a chicken wing…
Thanks =)
Claw does that as well. Its suppose to be even easier with him.
Yeah sorry, you’re right, just tested it.
Didn’t mean to go off topic.