Two random thoughts:
It might help (as the few decent Iron Mans that I’ve fought certainly seemed to use it this way) if people thought of the cannon part of Proton Cannon simply as a really fast normal attack.
People should have to get a certification that their sarcasm detectors are properly calibrated before being allowed into a thread like this.
That would ruin all of the fun (I am of course referring to #2)
This thread is full of salt!
Nerf Ammy, Taskmaster, Dante, and buff my Morrigan and make her meter stealing fireball speed the same as her normal Soul Fist!
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Yo Nina your wrong Wesker can one-touch Dante off a cr.A with 3 bars no XF
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behold!! my shitty phone quality :lol:
I have psn. I guess what I’m trying to say is that “Why play thor?” There are other characters, like magneto or storm, that does the same thing he does but better. If they put thor in the game, they have to distinguish him alot more from the other casts other than his bulk health. Its like his fly can only be used in resets or keep away. that’s all it does. His projectile is super slow. He can be used as a dhc glitch partner but now that’s taken away he needs something different. And I don’t want to see a health boost or damage boosts to increase his viability because that’s a lame buff.
I don’t have xboxlive. psn. I would like to challenge a good thor player. anyways I really suck at this game but I know about my characters.
I think the reason why Trish has man hands is because if u look at it from a far then it looks normal. It shows up better. IDk. Same with Phoenix.
That’s basic Wesker bnb shit that everybody should know. The thing with Dante is he can build his own level 3 or DHC into two other people for more damage if he hits you from round 1 fight.
yea and yet i swear i am the only person who uses it…and i dont even main Wesker anymore…its pretty sad that the people who main the character dont even know or attempt their max damage combos but the same can be said for many characters in this game
Nini, as a Hulk user I’ve become quite accustomed to using Hulk’s :H: on reaction to Dante’s Tele. Unless it’s covered, I know I have him when I see him disappear.
Just putting it out there because, you know, Hulk smash and all.
Edit: for the record… I don’t know a single combo for Wesker aside from the magic string. Fuck Wesker.
yea i was surprised as well when i learned Wesker had combo’s besides “abcs relaunch abcs relaunch THC” :lol:
I heard that strider has like 650,000 health. Also magneto can’t just punish whiffed normals with sj fly dash x 4 j.S. Idk what kind of moves ur using but he still needs assists to cover his unsafe shit. But yeah he’s definitely borderline god tier.
Except, everyone is not broken. Dante is one of the cheapest mofos in the game. There are 36 or 38 characters. He is among the 5 cheapest. I would say he is the 2nd or 3rd cheapest in the game but that’s debatable(dat theory Viper).
Realizing that a move is coming out doesn’t make it telegraphed. Hysteric is 30 frames startup. Let’s say you realize on the 10th or 15th frame that it’s coming out. You have 15 frames to throw something fast enough to stuff it or prepare to block. Blazblue players get hit by 19-25 frame overheads all the time. It’s not that they don’t realize that the overhead is coming out. There’s just not enough time to react after the realization.
Now maybe you have godlike reactions and can react to full screen, unexpected hysterics with the proper punish, but I assure you that’s not the case of most mortals.
Also not sure about the recovery on Dante’s teleport but I have teched and airgrabbed people trying to punish the teleport before. But really, this isn’t an issue, naked teleports on someone who’s waiting for it is generally a bad idea.
Wait a minute, wait a minute, when I brought up the ridiculous broken stuff about a good portion of the cast you said I was justifying broken with similiar broken, which is correct. But then all of a sudden you back-track and say Dante’s alone up there. Not cool man, not cool. There is a good 40% of this cast with things that could easily be considered cheap or broken in a lot of their tools based on the definitions we’re getting in this salt-feast. Work with me now. Are we forgetting about Magneto and Dat Disruptah, Sentinel and Dem Hyper Sodium Force ABCs that kill everything, Zero and those free cross-ups, Wesker and those godly command normals, Phoenix and her… well, Darker everything? The list of people with things just as or more broken than Dante’s tools goes far beyond what your giving this game credit for. I didn’t even have to bring up Wolverine for that.
Dante Pros:
-Efficiently Controls Space
-Massive Meter Building
-Easy cross-ups with a protected teleport
-Easy to Pick-Up, Hard to Master
Dante Cons:
-Predictable Approaches (IF you see hysteric+assist, the teleport can be near guaranteed, which could very well mean eating a nasty prediction)
-Can’t use all tools without proper assists (Has one or two ways to assist himself, but those still won’t cover his teleport well enough to prevent punishes, nor hysterics)
-Very Few Defensive Options (You can only spam Hammer so many times before people read you, watch you whiff, and bury you, and outside hammer he just pushblocks and prays)
Dante is beaten by good prediction. Not every character is equipped to punish him, but those who are will find themselves doing it a lot if they look, listen, and predict.
Also, as far as fighting games go, 30 frames is worthy of the telegraph metaphor I would think, especially in Mahvel. Also, You don’t have to react to hysterics within the startup window, you have the startup, (if you have a teleport, since you could bypass the missiles) active frames, an recovery to punish the fuck out of Dante, and last I checked punishing people from long-range was something quite a few members of the cast, such as Wesker, Phoenix, and Amaterasu, could do without too much effort. Not so much Ammy in this example.
Yes nekid teleport is a bad idea. Not arguing truth.
Nah i’m not saying Dante is the only broken character. I’m saying he’s one of the highest ranked in the BS army. If Phoenix is the General, Dante is the Colonel or something. The thing about Dante is that he does not have an obviously overpowered move or particular thing you can easily complain about like a lot of the BS characters, he just has a LARGE amount of very good tools which means he has an answer to any and everything, and it generally leads to death. Dante can just do anything and everything better than almost anyone else.
Missing quite a bit on the Dante pros. The cons are also pretty moot since they can be applied to anyone.
Predictable approaches? Ok. I know he’s doing a hysteric, I know he’s gonna teleport. But he might airdash and cross me up for a double crossup, go for the normal crossup, go high/low or try to setup more bullshit. Predictable but still damn effective.
Wolverine’s approach is as predictable as it gets(cr l cr l, filler assist, berserker slash) but it blows up people free because despite how predictable it is, the mixup is almost unblockable.
Can’t use all the tools to their fullest potential without the proper assist? Same as almost everyone.
Very few defensive options? He has 2 very good ones that are meterless and lead to a kill and a level 3 hyper that travels 3/4 of the screen and leads to death. Most characters are stuck with either none, or level 3s with ass range that you can’t follow up after unless very specific conditions are met. Not even counting his normals, which are defensive options in and of themselves(lol @ half screen anti airs that hit way behind him too)
Most characters with a beam super can punish hysteric(wesker can’t btw, teleports don’t really work since the missiles are tracking and will turn around), but Dante, being the smug ass mofo that he is can just turn on the DT, block the punish, and punish you for trying to punish him for doing something that shouldn’t be safe with his Stinger that goes 3/4 of the screen and allows him to punish stuff no one else can punish.
Dante is beaten by people who can make him block before he makes them block. You can predict all you want, you’re not blocking that Drones>Square Jump H x N
Even then, if he has protection assists, even making him block becomes dangerous since you can easily die because of one assist call.
When I first bought this game, I believed that everyone in the game was broken so no one was broken. I thought this because I watched desks videos of all the low tier characters like chun li, and I was like wow how silly. But now, I really don’t believe everyone is broken, but everyone has something cheap about them. The thing is, the better characters just have 100 times the amount of cheap things, so therefore not everyone is broken when compared to one another. If you have shuma gorath vs dante or hsienko vs magneto, it’s pretty fucking obvious who’s going to win. Those are just matchups where unless the magneto/dante has downs, they will never ever lose. When I fight dante, I always have that what the fuck face deep down inside of me. I don’t know how many times I’ve tried to punish a move, only to have it cancelled into another move thats safer, into another move that’s even safer. His hitboxes also disgust me.
Dante/Haggar be broke. lol. I like how you have a sodium army. That kind of brought it to my attention we should agree to disagree. I don’t to die by some shit like a Bomber dropping TK shot.
And the assist con only really comes into play since a huge percentage of Dante players for some reason love to anchor the shit out of him. So its not a moot as you’d think. Somebody has to be last man standing.
Also, I need to ask you a question. When you say a character is broken, do you consider execution, and or what is required of the player to make use of what you consider broken? The reason I’m asking this is because of how you explain Dante being broken is that he has answers for everything. That is only true if you have an in-depth understanding of the character, and that takes effort to acheive. I consider broken/cheap things to be effortless. So really, the only things I see as broken/cheap are things that there is absolutely no answer for, or things that can be done on day 1 with very little practice that still works at a high tier level.
They only two Dante does that fall into that category for me are Hammer (which is getting nerfed in the future) and his s.L anti-air/spacing tool/poking tool extraordinaire. Outside of that, his combos takes execution, practice, and creativity (everyone has Day 1 BnBs, no need to bring up that moot point), his spacing has openings to be sure, so he isn’t invincible just because he’s good at what he does.
Now you could possibly argue this is looking at the game in a vacuum, but that’s not what I’m saying. A lot of characters have tools that are better than Dante’s, but people constantly overlook that because Dante just has so many tools. I mean, characters with good rushdown can easily push a Dante into the corner before he even gets set-up with his spacing. Dante is free for a Haggar assist if he makes a single mistake on the approach, though I guess that can be said for a lot of offensive characters.
Nobody is broken in this game except for level 3 XF Dark Phoenix but that’s done on purpose.
Thank You.
Dark Phoenix may be broken, but the hitboxes on some characters are just shy of broken.
Theres a difference between crossing someone up, and having a hitbox so wide, you cross them up trying to tech roll behind you. Thats just outrageous.
If I’m crossing you up, you shouldnt cross me up because your normal whiffed and it also hits from behind.
The most obnoxious hitboxes in the game belong to Dante, Wesker and Hulk. I was hit with Weskers standing S after I overshot a divekick and landed behind him. I’ve also (many times) been hit with Dante’s jumping S with his back facing my character, and Dante STILL had enough time to auto correct and OTG combo off of it. Truly outrageous.
Yeah, I think that the only Dante Normals that should keep outrageous hitboxes are s.L and s.M for anti-air. The others could use a trim. Hulk Hitboxes are fun, and hes not exactly a broken character outside that, so he should keep his til he gets some actual new toys to play with. Wesker s.S hits behind him? wtf?
Hulk has 3 points of super armor now, I think his hitboxes could use a trim to be honest.
And yes Weskers S hits from behind, you could probably set it up in practice mode and try to crossup divekick him. Its really stupid to see.