Rocket Raccoon is too shoto for me to play.
Ha, no but seriously Cyclops a shoto sure I guess but that’s on Capcom to spice things up.
cyclops, the leader of the x-men and the guy who sends x-force on missions to kill people is irrelevant?
Marvel fans are going hard on the pavement to defend what was essentially silly.
all of you turning a blind eye and saying "oh x- hasn’t been relevant since blah blah x when i say so"
when marvel now has e comics that can go backward as well as forward sales are sales.
seeing any character in this game and gaining interest i must say i can’t just derp and say “oo hawkeye, ill pick up the new avengers and see what hes up to”, because incase you guys haven’t noticed, its entirely impossible to entirely follow up on a characters entire story and features solely through comics. When a marvel series becomes popular it divides into a billion pieces. when trying to read civil war i found out there were like 6 fucking x-men comics at minimum. house of m? don’t get me started. The divide between, new, dark, and the regular avengers? the volumes?
it’s intimidating.
Capcom didn’t only include characters due to relevance.
okami came out in 07, okamiden isn’t even slightly related (different director, doesn’t actually follow the fucking cliff hanger after the game. i’m not even going further into this) and clover is done.
viewtiful joe? psp game in 06 if youre being generous? and Tatsunuko v capcom but really, a wii game?
vipers been in nothing but sf4. and i don’ think a patch of the update of SSF4 needed her in for promotion.
hsien ko was a GUEST in an SF alpha 2 stage.
that specific dante and vergil? (since we are arguing specific versions of characters) 06, and im being generous and using the special edition.
trish? lol i’ll gie you dmc 4 and latetst playable the viewtiful joe from a dispersed studio in 06
tron bonne…, well there almost was almost megaman legends 3.
No one is claiming to be more of a marvel fan of anyone, nor are we bitching that “OUR CHOICES ARE MORE RELEVANT THAN YOURS BECAUSE I AM COOLER” simply stating marvel is selling what they want, you cannot deny that.
even though venom hans’t been featured in god knows how long, how many people still know him. a good portion.
gambit, all x-men get recycled and put in the blender and come back out something else after time.
look at scarlet witch, from weak character, to world breaking character thats hard to feature again because she went from like hexing to being able to change reality.
but we’re not touting marvel knowledge we’re stating reasons why the game isn’t as appealing as it could have been.
and apparently a **good portion of people feel that the character choices was a major factor, from what we observe. it isn’t factual. **
i’m not taking a side because i already have.
hell adding my own anecdote, my friend asked me why the hell i bought like the same game, the new characters didn’t look that cool and the game came out less than a year before, just get saints row.
i didnt have much of a response besides it was cheaper.
Spider Man and Wolverine already made the sell in Vanilla. The VERY POINT of new characters is how well they function as a selling point for the next game. Do you see Capcom putting out hundreds of hours detailing the specifics of stage choices, Heroes and Heralds or spectator mode like they did for characters over the summer on Capcom unity streams? No
Trying to pretend that new characters aren’t the central focus of a fighting game is like sticking your head in the sand and hoping that the loud(but right) noises go away.
Your constant hating and trash talking about the SFIV series is getting boring and old… Do you really need to compare both games on every occasions and bash SFIV while applauding MVC3 blindly, it’s not even the same type of fighter !!
It’s like if you put a disc on repeat and programmed it to replay it on every single opportunity you have to bash SFIV.
Like it or not, the SFIV series is THE reason why fighting games have been reborn and put or re-put on the map for the old and new generation of gamers. Without the success of SFIV, you wouldn’t even dream of playing MV3 right now !! Let alone the fact that you’re even playing the Expansion of this broken fest.
If the SFIV series is so bad, why in the hell millions of people in the entire world are playing the game instead of that POS that only USA plays huh ?!
The sales just tells you how popular that game is. Not even good sales in the USA, I’m scared to take a look at the worldwide sales for UMVC3…
And AE 2012 looks like the most balance version of the game. Most people asked for that and so far people are satified in general with the changes. The game will be a huge success and you will probably find more people on Xbox live alone for AE 2012 than the UMVC3 players on both Xbox Live and PSN combined…
You’re a very knowledgeble poster as I like your usual posts (non SFIV related), but please stop this SFIV trash talking non sense. Most people on this board are still playing both games so stop trying to put one on top of the other, leading the FGC to divised further. I like both games a lot and it saddend me to see how one can have so much hate towards something he dislike. Don’t like it? Fine, don’t play it and please stop trying to spread the hate.
I’m sorry, but coming from someone who absolutely love both games because both have their own unique attibutes, that please specifics criterias of each person, your constant hating on SFIV and pure biased opinion of MVC3 makes you look like a jealous, frustrated guy who wished MVC3 had the same success as SFIV worldwide.
Firstly…the guy who runs this website openly talks on podcasts and articles about how he doesn’t like certain fighting games. Specifically 3rd Strike. It seems you also have no problem bashing MVC3 so you’re definitely no better than me. If anything you’re just giving in to my argument. There’s no hate to spread…ultimately people should be coherent enough about fighting games to know what they like and don’t like for themselves.
I don’t really care about how successful SFIV is as a game. I don’t like it so I don’t care if it’s the best the worst the best of the worst Daigo making a million dollars a year off of it…doesn’t matter to me. There’s no reason to care. I just like to play what I like to play and I like MVC3 more. Everybody is open about what games they like and don’t like in the fighting game scene. Get used to it. If anything it is what creates the diversity of the scene since there’s different games that people prefer and different reasons behind it. There’s plenty of SFIV players that have no problem talking about why they don’t like other fighting games out in the open and I’m not out backlashing them for it. For me it’s more interesting if anything to see why people don’t like certain games and understand more through why they don’t like them.
All I’m bringing up is that I generally feel MVC3 is doing a better of job of balancing the game through the old school method of making sure everybody is cheap. The game allowing you less options to escape offense also caters towards this.
If anything I was bringing up reasons why SFIV is better than MVC3 any way because it’s obvious that SFIV is a less punishing game to get into and play than UMVC3. I don’t think they should have added all the old school WW/CE SF2/ST cheap stuff that’s in this game but, I guess being a successor to a game like MVC2 they felt bringing back cheap, punishing situations was in order. Which I generally like but, even I agree that it probably wasn’t the best move for more casual players.
I think UMVC3 is easily a better game than SFIV as far as the way it goes about making sure all the characters are competitive and not giving you so many options to get out everything. It’s more visceral like the older SF and Marvel games.
I consider myself a casual gamer. I love playing games, and I like FGs but let me tell you a little secret: I completely suck at all these FGs. I bought SSFIV, tried to join my local scene to get better and level up. Unfortunately, none of them were really helpful and just proceeded to destroy me over and over again without teaching me a damn thing. So I figure, maybe if I bought a fightstick, I’d be able to practice and get better. Well, bought a stick, practiced and practiced, and still was bad (online too). Anyway, long story short, as a casual FG player, no tournament playing, occasional stream watching etc, I bought SSFIV AE, I buy the DLC packs, I bought 3rd Strike (still haven’t played it), I bought MvC 3 (lot of rude ass people who don’t really help when asked “what can I improve on”) and instead of buying Skyrim, like a dumbass I bought UMvC 3 b/c “maybe this will be the game I get better at FGs with”. Umm yea, still cleaning floors with my tears lol.
Basically I’m posting to say that as much as people blame the release time (which is very true), or the cast (cast seems cool to me), people won’t buy UMvC 3 b/c the MvC 3 community from a casual stand point is full of jerks. Yes, some of you guys are very helpful, and extremely fun to play with, but just go look at the Newbie Dojo to see things that some of you hardcore FG community players/members say to some of us casual guys. Mostly, its the assholes in this community that ruined MvC 3 for me, and it’s the same ones that unfortunately have kept me from spending more than 1 hour with UMvC 3 (just looked at costuems and colors).
You can’t let that hold you back too much. You just have to find somebody that likes playing with you that’s solid and play with them often and learn from them. Especially now that UMVC3 has lobby+spectator mode there really isn’t much excuse for finding a community to at least get somewhat better at the game. Especially if you have the Xbox version where you can get with competent players 24/7 on a stream and play and discuss regularly. That’s what I used to do to level up in SFIV when I was still playing that and Viscant says that online was one of the big reasons he was able to place 1st at Evo because he was able to grind a lot of matchups that he would otherwise just have to theory out and possibly lose out early to in tourney.
The high and mighty nature of the fighting game community is one of the things that is a humongous deterrent and pretty much always will be. its more a cause of straying away from fighters in general as opposed to just this series.
like deviljin said you have to deal with assholes online till you find that one person to help you, and make the best of it.
I found one friend in vanilla sf4 who was my level and helpful and we both play sf4 to this day and have both really improved together over time helping eachother with bad matchups etc.
your argument though, a lot of communities are full of assholes exclusively compared to the ratio of assholes to nice guys here. (the call of duty series which has a community that’s larger than this one by multiples)
Reality check.
All console game are pirated the DAY of the release.
There is no protection AT ALL, you get the iso from the blu-ray/HD-DVD (with the right programme a monkey can do it.) You share it on the internet.
Then it is the pirated x-box/ps3 play the game.
Since thoses console have been pirated prior to the release of the game.
pirated game on day 1 (or as early as a guy willing to put it on the internet get his copy).
As for people wanting to pirate the game…well once you have everygame for free, and a good internet connection, people often try everything.
I’m not saying only this community is like that; however, we are talking about UMvC 3 sales, and not CoD sales correct? CoD has the advertising, has the mindless buyers, has the “pro” community etc. The FG community doesn’t have as much advertisement and unless I’m mistaken most of the games that come out don’t get Skyrim, Batman AC, MW 3 attention at release other than here and eventhubs (correct me if I’m incorrect).
All I’m saying is, only the hardcore will by UMvC 3 over other games this holiday season, and as some might know, the hardcore don’t necessarily equate to the huge revenue sales that most developers like to see. In another game I play, the hardcore make up maybe 2% of the actual community, but in the FG community I’m sure that number is different. What I’m trying to say is, if people were nicer online, on this site, on other sites etc, maybe more and more casual players would be willing to shell out $40 to $60 yearly to actually enjoy a game, instead of getting messages like, LOL FRAAAYYYY noob you SUX FAGGOT, I mean, yes, you blew me up, yes you are better than me, and yes I do suck, but do you have to be so rude about it? lol
Yeah it’s not like other game communities don’t have their assholes also. Pretty much any game that is popular and competitive has a percentage of assholes or generally people who will give you crap if you say anything that isn’t knowledgeable or wasting their time with stuff they feel you should already know. That’s why it’s still the easiest to play a single player game because nobody can give you crap but the developers who made the game depending on how easy/hard it is.
I’m so tired of hearing this. The success of SF4 did not create a fighting game renaissance, it created a Street Fighter renaissance. At best, it re-ignited Capcom’s interest in fighters. One company =/= an entire genre.
It is completely outdone in arcades by a slew of titles, and on console by Tekken which has consistently remained more popular. What it did do was create a fighting game aimed at appealing to people who don’t like fighting games, the result being a diluted example of the genre that was so terrified of alienating anyone that it ended a homogenous pile of blandness despite all its stroboscopic effects and spinning cameras (the fighting game equivalent of jangling keys in front of your face).
It’s probably just as intimidating as a comic book fan picking up UMvC3 and trying to learn the game from scratch without having played any of the previous iterations from before.
Getting people interested in the characters is the main focus. People wanting to read the entire history is just icing on the cake for Marvel.
They are perhaps for Capcom. But not for Marvel. The truth is Marvel has bigger fish to fry.
Why are you using a strawman argument to argue something I already know about? Talks of when a game is pirated means absolutely nothing in this argument, I was just stating when this game in particular was available. Your last statement also does not make sense. My argument states that there are many people willing to **NOT USE ONLINE FEATURES AT ALL / NOT CARE ABOUT ONLINE **for the benefit of having a free game instead of PAYING FOR A SIMILAR GAME A SECOND TIME.
Plain and simple – there are people who pay for games in full to support the scene/play the full game/collect games. And there are pirates. Pirates in the case of games with online functionality usually don’t care about online at all as long as the offline is intact.
Not trying to put you on blast, but you’re arguing points that having nothing to do with counterpointing my own argument.
You said it was pirated 2 days after release and that fact proved that lot’s of people pirated the game and this was part of why sales were low. At least that is how i understood the message you previously posted.
So maybe i misunderstood can you, if that is the case list youre different points of argumentation so we can have a logical discussion ^^.
Sure.
The main case I’m trying to make is as such:
This game is considered a re-release of another, similar game, right? We can agree on that. Casual players are not like most of us – they pay for games usually once, and that’s it (Unless it’s a specific type of MMORPG or FPS game). In the case of UMvC3, to a casual gamer who doesn’t play games like this seriously, it can be, and is, widely seen as a waste of money for a similar product. Casuals [usually] just want Marvel 3, once they have it, that’s it. We of course know UMvC3 is so much more than the vanilla version. After all, we do have a ton of people still playing previous versions of Blazblue and even SSF4 (instead of AE).
Now then, this is 2011. We are in an age where just about everything electronic/game can be pirated, emulated, or copyright circumvented in some form or fashion, from music to games, to programs, to software, whatever. In this case, we mean UMvC3. I can see this game being more apt to being pirated by casual players who already have vanilla and don’t care or is too poor/cheap to pay for a real copy. Not saying that piracy is a main factor to UMvC3s poor sales, but it’s definitely a factor in an age that we live in. Also I didn’t mention this before, but people in specific countries pirate heavily regardless of good or poor sales.
The point where online vs offline comes in when pirates give up the fact that they know they can’t play online in the first place. Many don’t care at all. Those that do, end up paying/obtaining a real copy later on down the road.
It’s obvious that a good number of casuals didn’t like the idea of paying for a 2nd edition of this game… and money talks.
I’m gonna say bad timing, plus Ultimate wasn’t geared towards casuals in the first place.
Ok let’s get a few thigns straightened out here. First of all the Guardians of the Galaxy being featured in a children’s cartoon doesn’t hold much weight in an updated rerelease of a game marketed towards the FGC with various system and balance changes. I’m not saying kid’s can’t play this game, but they’re not the target audience, that logic might have worked for Vanilla but not this version. Yes it’s good exposure to a side of the universe rarily seen, but that doesn’t make that specific reasoning any less goofy.
Hawkeye and Ghost Rider being in movies doesn’t really matter for various reasons. One, nobody (mainstream) is seeing the Avengers movie for Hawkeye if Marvel felt he was that important that would have centered a 2 hour commercial around him like they did the big 4. He’s a secondary character to the Avengers for the most part. It’s fine to include him because hes a long time Marvel character with some history, but using the movie as an excuse is just terrible. Ghost Rider is already popular for many of the same reasons Venom is popular (ruh roh there’s that character again). Iconic look and a big push in the 90s is why people wanted that character not because of a new Nic Cage movie that’s not even produced by Marvel might I add. Of course they still profit from licensing, but I’m just saying. They could have easily put a character from X-Men First Class in Vanilla (no Magneto doesn’t count, it’s not a young version) for these very same reasons, but didn’t.
Dr. Strange and Iron Fist are fine for comic book reasons, I really have nothing to say against them.
Promoting a game off 12 new characters for the sole purpose of promoting other stuff in a fall release no less it’s just an awful business strategy.
Yeah, probably right. The UMvC3 commercials going in on full on Cartoon Network’s Adult Swim makes all the more sense when you think about it.