They made one of those! It came with the CE or SE or whatever of MVC3. It was rofltastic.
That was taken from the pages of the rofltastic comic I mentioned, if I remember correctly XD gotta find that again.
Uh… actually I don’t think VGCharts has even obtained the sales figures yet for UMvC3.
So, yeah… >.>
I’m not speaking for comic fans, go to a comic message board for that shit… I’m speaking from the point of view of a fighting game fan on a fighting game forum.
Get over it, just deal with the fact that “90s characters” as you put them are and will always be more popular than 2011 comic characters.
Gambit and Psylocke ok maybe, but Venom? Ha are you crazy? That name along with Carnage sell out the ass for Marvel and comic retailers. The only way Venom wouldn’t make sense from a business standpoint is if you thought the game was already going to sell a certain amount without him anyway. He was shoe horned into the third Spider-Man movie based on fan demand alone. Venom will never be an irrelevant character, his name recognition far exceeds that of most Marvel characters to begin with along with an iconic look. People want to talk about irrelevant super heroes ok let’s talk about Hawkeye, Avengers movie you say? Ok fine, but what about comic books? Everyone wants to talk about the books when dismissing characters well Hawkeye and Mockingbird was a colossal flop and now he’s in an Avengers book no one reads anyway.
While I definitely agree with a lot of points made about character choices from Marvel, I do have to say one thing about Marvel in the 90s. It wasn’t that Marvel wasn’t popular in the 90s, they just oversaturated the market. I was a massive comic book fan in the 90s (I’m currently 32), and Marvel pulled a lot of shit back then.
For one, Marvel had gimmicky marketing. Making special editions for several books. Do you remember hologram covers and other such shit like that? I do, and they felt they could charge something like $3.95 for them. I’m not sure how much comics are now, but back in the 90s they ranged from $1.00 to $1.50. You almost double the price of the average comic, with little to no more content.
Marvel was basically the X-universe in the 90s. Avengers West Coast was cancelled due to bad sells. The main avenger series wasn’t doing well. The only thing holding down Marvel back then was X-men and Spiderman, which is why they both got popular cartoons. The rest of the Marvel universe was under represented, and ignored. It wasn’t well marketed. Back in the 90s there were like 5 X-men related titles. There were two X-men titles, X-Factor, X-Force, X-caliber, and later Generation X. Spiderman had 4 titles by himself. Guys like Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America from the mainstream Marvel universe only had one title.
Movies! Marvel tried so hard over the years to compete with DC in the movies department. While DC was pumping out box office hits like Batman (Superman didn’t get any 90s movies, but had success on the silver screen). DC, being a Warner Bros. company also was producing quality animation. I can look at the Superman and Batman animated series from the 90s, and they hold up well today in terms of art, animation, and voice acting. The same can’t be said for the Spiderman and X-men cartoons from the 90s where choppy animation and bad voice acting shows it’s age.
But back to my point. Can anyone remember a good Marvel movie in the 90s? I can’t. The Fantastic 4 had a horrible movie in the 90s, it was on par with a B-movie. Dolph Lundren Punisher also rings a bell (though it was at least entertaining). There was a Spiderman movie being talked about in Marvel comic editorial columns for YEARS. It stayed in development hell for well over a decade by the early 90s.
Oh and not only that, but Marvel had a lot of fucking titles. So did DC at the time, but Marvel didn’t have the money to support all of their monthly titles. While X-men and Spiderman certainly had a lot of titles amongst them, there was also a title for Nightstalkers, Ghost Rider, Cage, Infinity Inc., what if titles, and the list goes on. There were so many short lived series in the 90s it’s sad. And not only that, Marvel also had the ill fated 2099 series which was only mildly successful, and that’s being nice.
Stupid marketing decisions, ignoring 75% of it’s universe, and ill fated cartoons, movies is what nearly put Marvel out of business. Not popularity. Marvel is just doing things right now. They’re, for better or worse exposing much more of their universe to the general public. Something they should have done in the 90s.
A little off topic, but it applies. It would be dumb for Marvel to ignore their universe when suggesting a roster to be in a fighting game. Ignoring half of their universe has caused issues for them in the past.
Blade was a decent enough comic book movie from the 90s, successful, and Rated R if memory serves
Also Marvel is still doing stupid shit they used to do in the 90s. Sure nothing as bad as say the Clone Saga, but constant renumberings, too many event ties that are utterly pointless, etc. Nothing has really changed at Marvel for the most part, they still flood the market with 90% trash and still continue to ignore continuity between titles because of lazy writers like Bendis. But this isn’t a comics forum so I’ll cool my jets >_>.
Late 90s really, when Marvel was starting to get it’s shit together.
Your not speaking for the comic fans? Then how come you keep talking about whos fan favorites and whos the most popular? These are comic characters that were chosen by a comic company. Their popularity is dependent on the comics and/or movies that they come from! Any time you talk about whos a favorite or whos the most popular of these characters that IS speaking for the comic fans! That’s been the point the whole time but apparently it keeps going right over your head and you don’t realize how hypocritical you are being.
Keep on living in a world where the characters you list are the most popular, but in reality those characters were either renovated or killed off due to becoming unpopular. Just like you got bored of them when u stopped following comics in the 90’s, so did everyone else.
Once again I have to inform you that just because you stopped following Marvel doesnt mean everyone did, and Marvel comics are more popular now than they were then. Look it up yourself. You tell me to “Get over it, deal with it” but you need to start following your own advice because a quick search in google will show you that you don’t know what you are talking about.
But I guess reality does not matter when you are living in a dream world where cable didnt get killed off and have his comic canceled, and venom and psylocke still exist in their 90’s form. It’s not worth attempting to have a discussion with someone who refuses to accept reality and has delusions of grandeur about how popular his favorite characters are despite the facts in front of him.
Cable is already coming back from the dead, get with the times bro
I actually do think having a version of Venom makes sense from a marketing perspective. He is extremely popular and is easily one of Spider-Man’s most recognizable baddies, up there with the Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus. Comic fans don’t like him, but everybody else loves the crap out of Venom. And it’s not because of his low tier heroism in Marvel vs. Capcom 2, I can tell you that.
However, I personally would prefer Doctor Octopus or the Green Goblin (Although only if they integrated the glider). I would like characters that offer themselves up as unique fighters, and Venom’s old moveset isn’t really all that unique; plus, those villains are from the Spider-Man movies the public actually liked. I would totally dig it if Capcom ripped off Eddie from Guilty Gear (Wait, does it count as a copy if they are copying a character that’s an obvious copy of Venom himself?). The only problem with Venom is that he’s kinda in flux, and Anti-Venom just got axed.
I think the game could have had sales increase a good bit if they had at least added 2 X-Men and 2 Street Fighters. (Personally speaking, I’d say 1.) Cyclops, 2.) Gambit/Rouge/Nightcrawler/Psylocke, 3.) Dhalsim, 4.)Dictator/Guile/Cammy/MegaMan.) Honestly, I don’t want more X-Men or SFers (and I applaud Capcom for trying to do this without them), but I feel like putting in more recognizable faces could have helped grab people.
However, I’d only want them to have added such characters IF they released this game at a time that made A LOT MORE SENSE. Maybe around early May of 2012,if you get my drift. Also, I feel like the characters would not have made anywhere NEAR as much an impact as having better netcode, better balance changes, more playtesting (Good lord, there are a lot of glitches springing up for this game in no time flat…) as well as extra modes for the casual crowd.
Seriously though, releasing this game at least at a time that* made sense* is the big issue here. The release was not coinciding with the release of any of Marvel’s films in either theaters or on DVD, which are obviously their biggest image boosters. They should have worked this out far better.
Implications are that the game will ultimately remain non compettiive in that there is a small pool of players playing the game, and that it will die sooner than it otherwise would, which is a shame because this game had a great opportunity to carry the torch and maybe eventually compete with Starcraft.
Looks like SC will remain the premier competitive game
Might wanna get your facts straight first.
Venom was shoe-horned into the 3rd spider-man movie, but that movie was also the least successful out of the 3.
As far as Hawkeye and how he’s in an Avengers book no one reads… http://diamondcomics.com/Home/1/1/3/597/114694
Avengers is the 5th highest selling on-going Marvel title for the month of October 2011. Behind Hulk, Spidey, and 2 x-men titles.
Venom is… well… a lot lower then that.
All the so-called “Venom” fans here don’t even know that Eddie Brock isn’t even the current Venom anymore. Hasn’t been since 2005. Right now Venom is Flash Thompson.
Face it. Venom just isn’t that relevant anymore.
Well Eddie is going to be Venom again soon (or may already be I don’t read spiderman anymore) but yeah your right hes not relevant as much as he was in the 90s. I mean from 2004 to about a two years ago (when he became Flash) Venom was Scorpion (Mac Gargan) for the longest time.
So even if you guys had gotten the characters you wanted they most likely wouldn’t have been the ones you even remember from the 90s
Decided to make my first post in here…
Just want to say I don’t own MvC3 but I have mvc2… and I. Will buy umvc3 this week.
I plan on buying umvc3 soley because of some new MARVEL additions such as iron fist and doctor strange…
I’ve always loved the concept of marvel fighting game but the cast for mvc3 just didn’t interest me too much. Finally they add someone like daniel rand haha…
And what’s up with all the kids saying where are fan favorites from mvc2?
Well for starters most of those fan favorites are dead / retired / no longer in continuity or just not relevant in the marvel universe.
And for the fan favorites that are still in the comics… Well they are in mvc3 rofl what is wrong with you guys
I was referring to Avengers Academy and the quality of Spider-Man 3 is irrelevant. The dude was shoe horned in strictly based on fan demand, nobody is seeing the Avengers movie for Hawkeye.
Point still stands that Avengers is outselling Venom.
And Spider-Man 3 was the least successful of the three not only critically but financially.
What I find funny about this entire thread is that it is so easy to distinguish between those people that are actual Marvel Comic book fans, and those think they are experts on the Marvel Universe, yet haven’t read a single comic book since the days of Maximum Carnage, and the 90’s X-men cartoon.
Regardless of who was included, I still don’t think sales would have changed. You can’t release a game in the same month as Call of Duty MW3 and expect it sell well.
To be honest, I’m kind of happy it didn’t sell a lot.
Maybe now they will just ignore the game and let us play it without any patches or updated versions every 9 months.
Ask anyone and their mother, and they’ll tell you MvC 2 was fucking awesome (cause it was).
I don’t remember MvC 2 having and Ultimate version… All I’m saying is I think it’s a benefit to us (the players) if they don’t release a new version. 10+ years of MvC 2 is really what made it so kickass, even in the last year or so of the game people were STILL discovering new tech and making new teams. Recently Capcom has bee moving on way too fast. I don’t know about you guys but I’d rather have MvC 3 become the new MvC 2 rather than have an MvC 4 and 5 within the next couple years
It’s not like they’re ever going to get the balance right anyway, imo it’s basically impossible. Just give us more years to learn the characters and the match ups, maybe Wesker will be the new Hsien-ko in 10 years
I dont understand why it’s considered to be released at a bad time. I can understand why being released 9 months after Vanilla is bad but not why releasing Nov 15 was bad. IIRC Skyrim, SR3, ACR, and MW3 were released around the same time. But UMvC3 has nothing in common with them. Basically, the people who wanted to buy UMvC3 were either looking for a fighter or saw the name Marvel vs Capcom and are a fan of either. I dont think the other games affected the sales that badly alone. I agree that a big problem is stores not having it. I work at Target and I was shocked when I read on here that they werent carrying it in stores.
Nonetheless, I feel as though the sales will pick up in the next month or so. Why? Because it’s the holiday season. You’re gonna have kids who already want it from Santa as well as parents looking for gifts to buy and Im pretty sure a $40 game with Marvel characters is better than any $60 game. But again, the problem lies in trying to find that game and the bad cover art. It’s not ugly but casual fans will probably only recognize Hulk, Hawkeye (big maybe), Storm, Chun, Ryu, Wolverine and Joe. Ghost Rider is very popular but looking at the cover, he just looks like a flaming skull, Phoenix looks like an ordinary redhead, and everyone else isnt as popular. Unfortunately, parents wont recognize most of them unlike if they put more popular characters like Spidey, Iron Man, Cap, and a few Capcom characters. Dont get me wrong, the cover looks good but it wont help it sell to casuals unlike Vanilla’s case.
The thing is, casual fans dont care for who’s Venom and thats who mostly wants him in. Especially if he never removes his mask unlike in MvC2. Casual fans dont care if it’s Eddie or Flash, they see Venom and they drool. It’s not like the game is gonna say “Play as Venom (the Flash Thompson version)” and even if they use FT’s Venom costume, casual fans are just gonna look and say “Oh he has a new costume.” While we’re on this topic though, they dont HAVE to use FT as Venom. I’m pretty sure there has been more Spider-Mans than Peter Parker.