Ultimate MvC3 potentially an ultimate sales failure - Implications?

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Modok was prominent. It was at the end of Fall of the Hulks/World War Hulks two long arc with prequel where M.O.D.O.K. and the Leader are basically the masterminds behind it all, after it there was modok scortched earth plan.

Deadpool, as of 2007 is the most popular character among comics reader (yes it is, marvel runned poll) his wiki page is longer that spidey :stuck_out_tongue: (albeit Spider man lost quite a bit of reader with that “One more day” crap storyline (ooooh the devil dont want your soul no no, he want your marriage contract -_- dumb shit is so dumb.)

Marvel comics cater to the fans that give them money on a monthly basis => comic book reader, nostalgia from the 90’s is not what they care about, on the contrary if they catered to the 90’s kid fanbase, they would be accused of “nostalgia whoring” by their current fanbase, wich is…well not so good for sales.

Gambit is irrelevant in the comics, he was since the blood of apocalypse storyline, 2005.
Eddie Brock hasnt been Venom since 2005 i think (or is it 2003).

In conclusion the “fan favorite” Gambit and Venom are favorited by a fanbase that marvel does not (and should not) care about. The caracter vote on CAPCOM-UNITY as far as marvel is concerned is not representative of wich marvel character is more popular for their comics-reader fanbase, the comics-sale are. (in case people are wondering, Guardian of the galaxy sold quite well, like nova, hence Nova and Rocket Raccoon).

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gambit wasn’t in a few recent one-shots , xmen legacy, and x-23, who is in this game?

its impossible to have those characters as well as the popular ones?

its entirely possible to appeal to multiple people at once.
would marvel fans be upset by characters appearing that are popular but aren’t in comics much?
I mean hell, i haven’t seen phoenix besides those mini-series.

and its not just marvel. its marvel and capcom, and this is a video game. the target is anyone would would buy it.

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  1. MVC3 was a pretty halfassed package, even casual buyers thought so if had Super SSF4, so everyone got the feeling the 2nd release was already being planned
    2.The DLC was shitty and overpriced. Shadow Mode was retarded.
    3.The DLC stopped, so anyone who had planned on buying more felt screwed.
    4.They announced and released UMVC3 too quickly(how convenient it gets a release 1 week ahead of KOF13, imagine that)
  2. Marvel Vs Capcom 3 pops for download on marketplace 1 week before UMVC3…for what, to catch people sleeping?
    6.Players are flat out realizing that Capcom will treat their fighting games like it’s the late ‘90s…
    7.Capcom, like every other idiot developer releasing games on the 15th, forgot there’s still 6 weeks until XMas. UMVC3 could have come out all by itself with no competition…and minus the Morrigan Strider glitch n’ stuff.

It’s a better game, but even my friends who really liked Marvel sat on buying it until the they heard a breezy good feeling netcode report. I don’t think it has anything to do with the game itself, really, people are just starting to feel burned by Capcom lately(See Third Strike Online strategy section)

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Well they are operating on a limited roaster…i mean obviously the more character the better but we all know they dont want to invest the time or money neccessary for it. So they prioritize.

Gambit appareance was at best as a supporting character wich had fery few spotlight moment :/. (It’s marvel we are talking about here, hundreds of character appear in comics for few tie-in, heck Even Toad is currently working with Wolverine’s X-men team, being the proud janitor of the Jean Grey School for Higher Learning).

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Overly salty I agree with, but when you wait 10 years for a game that you never thought was going to happen, and then it does happen…

and then its this crap. 2 games in 9 months and both feel not complete lol…

So its not worth being mad, but yea capcom did fart on us, and in our house.

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A Marvel game shouldnt cater to Marvel fans? When they had meetings with Capcom if they told Marvel that I bet that would go over well…

If you had any idea of what was going on in the Marvel universe you would know that aside from Ghost Rider all of the other new characters introduced in Ultimate were prominent in the comics, and Nova is likely their MOST popular character from the last 10 years.

How hypocritical would it be for them to include characters like Venom who are not even remotely the same as they were in the 90’s? If they included the current Venom noone who isnt up to date on Marvel would recognize him anyway, so isnt that the same boat we’re in now with the new chars such as Nova?

And if we’re talking about the masses, we’re talking about the average age base of current gamers. How old do you think the majority of current gamers are? The people who know the characters from the 90’s are in their 30’s now… meaning the “masses” ARE the people who would know current Marvel characters. Sorry to tell you this but if your still stuck in the 90’s you are the minority when it comes to gaming nowdays… the “masses” of gamers are not age 30+.

If we’re talking about catering to the fans of MvC2, they already did that quite a bit. Look how many characters were included in the game that are NOT currently prominent… why do you think they were included? They were included precisely to please the MvC 2 fans. So you already got what you wanted, but apparently it’s STILL not enough. What more do you want, the entire MvC 2 cast? If that’s what you want then why not play MvC2?

Someone who does not have the slightest clue about anything that has happened in Marvel in 15 years has no credibility when talking about “fan favorites”. How can you act like you know who is more or less favored when you have no clue?? You know who USED to be the most favorite, and have no idea how they compared to the current favorites.

I have not followed the NBA since the 90’s - what business do I have talking about who is fan favorites in the newest NBA game? Furthermore, if I started getting all worked up because they included Jordan in the game but none of the other players from the 90’s and saying how <insert random 90’s basketball players name> was more favored than all the favorite players since then… wouldnt that make me a… hypocrite?

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  1. How many times will you guys by an update to a game? twice a year? once every 2 years? there is an imaginary line drawn where you don’t release basically the same game in 2 years. I think its only fair to combine mvc3\umvc3 sales together because its not like they went out built a new game from scratch. Its actually quite genius to sell the game twice and still get people to buy it the 2nd time around.

  2. bad net code is fucking up potential sales. 99% of people who own next gen consoles want to play online against friends\opponents and when the net code is so bad its unplayable, how many average consumers would buy it? the average consumer wants the best bang for their buck and things like shitty net code don’t bang the buck hard enough. Its why games like CoD do well.

I don’t see how a fighting game can’t be complete. If it has training mode, versus mode and online mode even though its completely shitty, its still complete as a fighting game. It doesn’t need some extensive story mode like mk9 has which is just a waste of man hours that could be put into developing a better net code so MORE people would actually buy the game. If people want more 1p options, go fucking play skyrim. Its a fighting game, you fight or train up. I would even say that arcade mode is semi mundane as long as you could fight the CPU in training mode but fighting galactus or playing galactus is amusing 2-3 times around. and thats pretty much why extra 1p modes suck, they’re amusing 2-3 times around and people stop playing them. You’ll spend less than an hour doing that shit and it will take 30-50 hours to program which costs money. Catering to people who are so diluted by fandom and call a game bad when it lacks 1p modes are totally fucking up the way games are being built. The companies can’t prioritize because they have to cater to a group of idiots.

Imagine if top tier net code was a priority @ capcom rather than catering to the casual crowd. Don’t you think that mvc3\umvc3\sf4 would be approaching CoD numbers in terms of sales? making sure there were extra 1p modes like shadow mode or fighting as galactus are wasted man hours that could be put in creating a better game and not some random dog shit fanboys care about for about 10mins.

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Yes, because CoD and every other mainly multiplayer game has… good netcode!
What a thought!

And to put things into perspective… FPS single player is slowly being gimped out of all releases.
But because there’s really nothing to throw their time at for casual players, fighting games are screwed.
Online is crap, offline is crap if you have no one else to play with… you can bet I’m going to trade it in when the next big release comes out.

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why do you feel entitled to the game that you want?

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Its sad that people thought a game that came out in 2000, would play similar to a game released in 2011. When mvc2 didn’t play similar to a game that came a year before it.

It truly amazes me…

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How do you wait 10 years for something you never thought was going to happen? I am confuse

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LMAO truth.

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I just came around to reading this, and honestly, I’m a lil’ surprised, but yet I kinda get it. I think I have said before, that where MvC3/UMvC3 is concerned, yes, I am a scrub, and will probably always remain so. I consider myself a devoted Capcom fighting game fan – have been for 20 yrs now. And while I prefer the SF series more than the Marvel series games, I have always had an appreciation for them, and even found them fun. I enjoyed MSH, XvSF, and absolutely loved MvC1. I still think Capcom can get it together and do things right by their games, but (this is just my opinion here) I don’t think there was much saving for UMvC3, despite our hopes and wishes.

No, I’m not gonna bash the game, nor am I some troll. I’ve just been paying attention… MvC3 came out in February, and back then you saw people saying they played the game for a week, or 2, then stopped playing altogether. Justin came out to say the game was cheap very early, Marn sounded disgruntled, and later in the year, people like Yipes said it best: MvC3 isn’t about strategy, it’s about damage. This is part of where the problem has been…but overall, it’s the gameplay. Don’t get me wrong, there are people who genuinely like UMvC3, and I respect that opinion. But this is also the first game where it frustrates, and angers as many people as it does. Is it exciting to watch? Very much so. But to play?..it’s frustrating. They couldn’t change too much from MvC3 to UMvC3, as I said before, it then wouldn’t be MvC3’s series. So I wasn’t too confidant Ultimate would do too well, but you always hope.

Look, adding new characters, and new bells and whistles is all great and stuff, but the most important aspect of a fighting game is how it plays, and collectively, the most complained about thing for UMvC3 has been the way it plays: from Dark Phoenix’s bull*ish, to the simplified ABCD combos, to no tech rolling, to characters not turning around in the air when jumping over people, to unreasonable hitboxes. Again, this is all from me just paying attention to what has been going on over these past months leading up to when UMvC3 was released.

In summation, I truly believe that if Capcom would have just waited until next year, started anew, and made this MvC4, and restored the gameplay elements to a TRUE successor to MvC2 (like a hybrid of MvC1 and 2), then the game would have sold a lot better, despite the awkward release date. SF4 was a “reboot” of sorts, but even with the new graphics, plinks, FAs added, it still played like SF. MvC3 plays completely different from what people were used to in the MvC series…some hate it when it’s said, but it plays like TvC moreso, and that was more a niche game, despite it being successful for Wii, and what’s worse, they took out the things that made TvC good to some. Capcom could have just updated the graphics, toned down the infinite stuff, and rebalanced tiers, same button layout and gameplay as MvC2, added new characters and called this MvC3 and it would have been much more well received. People tolerate UMvC3, but not many are not happy with it. I’m just sayin’…I’ve just listened to, and read a lot of what people have said about it… And like myself, those of us who love Capcom fighters, where UMvC3 is involved, it’s just not for [us].

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In reading the few posts you’ve made in the thread Ive come to the conclusion the only points you actually made here are the facts you like to call people idiots and use the word bullshit.

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Is this really your argument? Or are you just playing devils advocate?

You’re telling that if you took a photo of all of UMVC3s new Marvel characters besides ghostrider and took photos of the top 5 most requested characters on Marvel’s side (probably Cyc, gambit,venom,psylocke, cable) and asked EVERY potential fighting game consumer to identify the characters… You’re telling me that people will be able to identify Iron Fist, Dr. Strange, RR, Nova and Hawkeye over Cyclops, Venom(Brock), gambit, psyclocke and Cable? Really? I bet you that 10 times out of 10 you’ll lose that bet.

I honestly get what Marvel is trying to do in promoting the more relevant characters in today’s comics, I really do and I like this game… But this is a discussion on UMVC3s potentially low sales, saying that people wanted the current cast selection over the classics is Marvel fanboyism at it’s finest and more likely than not that decision impacted sales… Shouldn’t even be debatable.

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So let’s see…between the time Vanilla and Ultiamte have come out

Colossus became Juggernaut
Flash Thompson became Venom
Psylocke is a main member of Uncanny X-Force

oh right those characters aren’t relevant my bad

Are you serious bro?

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To be honest yes those characters are relevant but in the case Venom and Colossus I can totally see Marvel not wanting them to be in the game due to the characters being in a state of flux. Psylocke sounds like she could still and always will be a likely candidate though for future iterations of the game.

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Yet that’s exactly what you just did.

Not that there’s a problem with it. I doubt button layout really contributed to the low sales, though; Smash Bros sells like crack and that has an even simpler control scheme for attacking.

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Its not just me that waited 10 year for the game…
And whats wrong with wanting a complete game? They took modes out, and have a main feature as free dlc. Thats incomplete at its finest.
Also I am entitled to my own opinion. Even the great honzogonzo can’t that that away… LOL

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Actually what I said had to do with the fact that someone who does not know anything about the new characters in Ultimate has no credibility attempting to talk about “fan favorites” since they are completely clueless about whos a favorite. I wonder why you ignored that sentiment? /sarcasm

To answer your question, so we’re talking about “EVERY potential fighting game customer”? By definition that means the customers who were not going to buy the game already (which includes the MvC 2 fans and people who are already fighting game fans - since they would be buying the game anyway). In that case, yes. Because the majority of the people who gave a damn (or knew anything) about those characters were the MvC 2 players. If you were anyone who knew those characters you grew up in the 90’s, and if you grew up in the 90’s and werent already a MvC fan then MvC 3 wasnt going to convert you anyway.

I guess it’s just a coincidence that every single character you name is from MvC 2 huh? Your talking like this is about fan favoritism, but those comments makeit obvious that this is not about fan favorites. All it’s about is what YOU want. Like I said before, they already included a number of characters that were MvC 2 favorites, but you still dont accept it (or give them credit), and apparently you won’t be happy until they add every character YOU (a person who has no idea of what has happened in Marvel in 15 years, and obviously has not supported Marvel like their “true” fans that have supported them over the years have) wanted from MvC 2.

Marketing targets new customers more than existing customers, and the potential targeted new customers won’t be the people who know who the characters you name are. The new customers were 2 years old when those characters were around.

For some reason you think that the characters YOU were fans of were the most popular characters out there. But you know what? Marvel went bankrupt in the 90’s and barely survived. The characters you name were in no way the most popular characters out there.

I would have loved for them to completely remake Thanos so he wasnt his crappy MvC2 version and was true to the character and have added him to the game, and I can make a better case for them including him in the game than every other character you named, because he has been the most prominent villain in major arcs since the early 90’s. But do you see me ranting and raving about him? No. Because that would be stupid and immature, I’m not entitled to demand that they add who I want to the game, and acting like I was would serve no purpose but making myself bitter, much the same as you are doing.

Saying that “classics” sell more than the current popular characters just doesnt make sense, especially from a marketing perspective. Why don’t you try selling some music from the 90’s and see how it sells nowdays? The new customers dont give a damn about what we consider “classics”.

They arent going to convert 30+ year old gamers to all of a sudden like the game if they never have before. Hell I’m 30 years old right now and the only people who were interested in MvC were the ones who were there playing MvC 2 with me, and the ones who never gave a damn still dont give a damn no matter if their favorite chars are in it. One of them is a huge fan of Deadpool and Skrull, and he even said they look awesome, but that’s not going to make him all of a sudden become a fan. And a lot of the people who played MvC2 with me don’t play fighting games anymore because they simply don’t have the time. The “potential new customers” are younger, and you need to come to terms with that. Or don’t, but if you don’t, then it’s no wonder why you are bitter.