Same shit with virgil X_X. Fuck I’d be able to do something against him if his normals didnt cover half the fucking screen.
Then again, no I wouldn’t
Using Unibeam wouldn’t really help in the matchup, it has the same problem with other beams vs zero. Zero’s buster beats beams clean. I’d have easier confirms when I get the chance to call beam, but Jill can confirm off of Plasma beam pretty well with 236A/236B. Also Iron Man is a worse character than Doom, but at least I’d still have the TAC infinites.
Arrows / Spitfire have the same issue, like buster doesn’t beat them clean, but Hadangeki + Buster wins. It wouldn’t really help with me getting in at all, which is the main problem.
I was thinking of switching Amaterasu anchor for Strider anchor, it’d let me get in easier, and works amazing with Doom. Dog anchor is good, except when they can just run away. I’m a big fan of Doom + Dog, but yeah, I’m not sure.
But yeah, I might just do something like switch Jill for a team like Vergil Dante Strider. I play against so much Zero I feel like I’ll never win with this character against Zero really. I’ll probably first mess around with using Vajra assist.
Dude, you have no idea how much I’ve been considering dropping jill due to bad matchups, I stick with her because shes amazing against other characters, and shes a blast to play. Not only that, but shes really hype
If Zero and Vergil didn’t exist in this game Jill would be High tier. She has great options against a lot of the cast, but once more people actually learn to properly play Zero, Jill will never win (along with the rest of mid tier and lower).
Actually the vergil matchup isn’t even that terrible, but I think Marvel as a whole would be a better game without those two characters. And I usually don’t say crap like that about characters in fighting games games, but seriously.
The non soft knockdown projectiles are better for block-string mixups and are easier on reaction to combo off of. If you are talking specifically on that zero, magneto doom team I have no real advice. Magneto and Zero both are terrible matchups and having them supported by hidden missiles makes it even worse so I don’t have any constructive advice to give.
The reason I mentioned the spitfire + mgs is because the spitefire almost guarantees a small combo if MGS hits and provides a free mix-up if it is blocked. I hate to say it but sometimes burning meter is the only way to get in with jill. None the less zero, magneto and hulk with hidden missiles are the bane of my jill and I haven’t come up with anything to make any of these matchups better.
I’m personally trying to start playing jill/rr/strider, raccoon looks like sooo much fun, but I can never learn that guy :(. Also, thats the one assist that makes my jill not suck ginormous dick
Yeah… I do fine against most other players really (I get to at least play the game), but I can’t do anything against his team. I agree that other projectiles are easier to confirm off of and are probably better during pressure, but I think Plasma beam is good enough, and Doom is a better character than the ones I’d replace him with so it’s not worth it imo.
Jill just doesn’t seem like she has any options against properly protected hidden missiles on top tier characters. What I wouldn’t give for something like a feral cancelable viper laser on Jill to take care of sniping hidden missiles.
Jill needs one buff, and one buff only. She needs the use of her gun in some way or form. Make it shoot at different angles than wesker, but give her use of the gun.
I hate to say it, but the coon is by far my best character and with vajra he is a threat anywhere on the screen. Spitfire isn’t a godlike assist but it works well and rocket can handle a decent amout of jill’s bad matchups
@AdmiralParmesan are there any good tutorials out for him right now? Im really interested in learning that guy
Best way to beat Zero is to beat him at the start of the round gambit where he’s weakest (LOL).
Pressure him with your lockdown assist and mix him up.
MGS+Specialized assist= Sure way in from Full Screen.
Hope for Raw j.H’s to somersault.
etc.
Best way to beat Vergil is to punish Helm-Breakers and destroy him on incomming. It’s a better matchup then you think.
Thanks for that.
On a side note, I’ve been testing out various frame traps with jill online today, they have proven to be very effective, I might make a post with several of them. They arent hard to figure out with jill, most of them are just ways of giving people a false sense of security, then somersaulting them in the face.
I wish there was. Flying Ve has some old tech videos on him here. http://www.youtube.com/user/jhvidst2?feature=watch
Honestly combo wise raccoon is pretty straight foward. There are more advanced combos out there with him but most of them don’t do much better damage than his day bnb unless you are doing boulder trap loops which can be difficult and very unreliable online. He is more or less reliant on mixups and resets that come from his instant overheads, boulder trap and teleport (which there are a decent amount of different reset videos on the coon forums)
Most of his neutral game at least for me is canceling his crouch H into different specials as needed. If you need some more useful information ask Lamuness or send me a message here or on XBL
Here is a set with one of my friends, Josh. He uses a number of different teams but I hate fighting Novas. Anyway, check it out if you want. It’s about 30 minutes of my Jill, Dormammu, Doom team. I’m also working on a Jill, Frank, Doom team and I’ll post some videos later.
Again, not exactly high level play on my end.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=azfAEut7DMk
Your on Xbox Parmesan?
There are a lot of things I personally don’t agree with here:
-Your assists are extremely limited. Dark Hole kind of sucks, and both it and Molecular Shield scale your combos extremely hard and are very awkward to confirm from in the first place as you’ve clearly experienced, making your combos even wimpier. Outside of a combo, I also don’t think Arrow Kick helps Dormammu or Doom at all and I really don’t like not having a neutral assist. I’m disappointed that your friend elected not to just camp you like a boy scout, too. Gravimetric Pules + Energy Javelins; SJ > Fly > Photon Shots; Strange’s book of Smell my Shaft, all could have just pooped all over Jill without the proper response assists that you don’t have.
-TAC’s are an irritating and unreliable gamble, but I can understand why you would use them when your damage is just totally shot by your assists.
-Your Jill play seemed kind of panic-y, particularly in the first half. Lots of random MGS, MGS after a missed Somersault (though I am admittedly very guilty of this), not following through from perfect confirms, trying to block stuff that isn’t there, and dropping the most basic of combos several times. Relax and get more aggressive; Molecular Shield should cover your feral dashes well enough if you use it right.
-Too much dashing and not enough feral dashing. I think one time you did use it and got in a great double kill. That should be incentive enough to do that some more.
-Ignoring wonky assist confirms, your combos are weak and outdated. I even saw you get off the perfect first two hits of the Paulo BnB, then didn’t do it. I was so sad. I apologize for the combo thread’s messiness since the new forum removed all of the emotes I was using to annotate the combos, but you should learn some better stuff. It’s taking so long for this issue to be fixed that I’m considering just cleaning it up myself.
I think Jill/Dormammu is crap, personally, and that you should consider switching him for someone else. Your team needs some sort of modification if you ask me. Still a fun set to watch; and after seeing it, I’m reminded yet again that I really need to start using snapbacks. Nice assist kills, too.
I just had some rare sets against a firebrand. I was pretty much free most games. There were some games where my jill dominated his fb from the start due to a lucky grab, but if I ever let him take to the air, I was pretty much done. Any advice against firebrand? His team was fb/doom/ammy so off of any touch he killed my whole team. He said he knew how to play against jill because he played nsr a bunch. His name was “skillzdatkillz”
Yep, my GT is the same as my display name
I played the worst set yesterday. Never again, will I play a tournament cold. But unfortunately I had to this time, as I showed up slightly late. I dropped so many things, ran into too many things and just wasn’t on point at all. I also don’t have an answer to Morridoom + Mag yet :\
@15:30 - not even worth watching
@31:24
I have to play more games. I’ve been MIA recently because I need to find a job 
and the fact that not every station everywhere has Jill, and it makes me angry. I can’t practice everywhere I go.