My initial impression on Nemesis… I’m struggling to see him being upper tier or even mid tier based on playing around with him for a while and trying out his tools. It looks to me like his ‘keepaway’ game of tentacles and air rockets is free to teleports, and that his only mix-up is a kara command grab.
I seem to remember that character in Vanilla - his name was Thor. But at least Thor had tridashes. I guess Nemesis has damage and armor normals, but I don’t know if that’s enough to change things much.
I’d really like to see him be good because it’d be damn interesting and I’m really puzzled to think of how it would look. This is one of those ‘hope i’m wrong’ things and obviously it’s still way too early to tell with anyone.
Yeah I dont see any potential in Nemesis besides command grab shenanigans. Hes just another Hulk but with more reach and options at the cost of no armoured normals. That being said, I fully expect Combofiend to make him work.
You can see the potential with combos T-Type here:
Even with a player like combo, I dont see him ever being able to beat a zoning team.
Firebrand: Really good. People are saying “but teh damage is 2 low!”… the thing is though Firebrand can get decent damage off a number of situations. He can covert any ground throw into a combo/another mixup situation… and most air throws he can do the exact same thing. His instant overhead is nasty and even if you block it it puts him into another 50/50 situation on most characters (he can press M before he hops over them or delay it a bit and it crosses up). His Fireball is really good and his St. A is one of the best in the game. You basically are never in a good situation with this guy.
Vergil: Nasty as advertised. Has a few weaknesses but he is easily a contender and will be abused crazily from the get go.
Dr Strange: Feel like he is going to be very powerful backed up with the right assists. Not too fantastic on his own… just get in his grill and rush him down.
Old characters
Viper: Still broken
Dante: Still broken
Zero: Even more broken
Chris: Better and a lot more fun
I agree but sadly this is Marvel and “not broken strong” just doesn’t cut it here. Bolts assist is on the broken end of the spectrum for assists though, and he does shut down X-Factor beam super comebacks. Actually throw Eye of Agamotto in with the broken assists too.
I seriously think though that Magneto vs Haggar is the first objectively and obviously provable 10:0 matchup in a fighting game. It’s not the first 10:0 ever, but it’s easily the most apparent one.
Zero’s dumb ass lightning loop still in. Just harder to set up. Still gonna kill everybody in one combo by himself if the player has execution. Luckily they nerfed HSD a bit so you may end up dropping out of Zero’s combos more often before he can set up the loop. Once he gets the loop in you’re still fucked since it ignores HSD. My brother bitching about the combo nerfs but now he still gets to kill everybody basically. LOL. Definitely making sure Zero dies in one combo as usual.
They randomly nerfed X-23’s c.L so it starts up in 5 frames instead of 4. I mean it was nice that it was a 4 frame rapid fire low but it had super short range. I guess they figured her c.L being 4 frame reduced the need for her 4 frame s.L so they moved it up to 5. I noticed I was losing or trading in situations with it that I wouldn’t in Vanilla.
Definitely gonna work to make Vergil/Strange/Strider new people team work and my Morrigan/Hawkeye teams. Gonna be fun.
Game most likely going to be the same as far as which characters control the game. Low health cheap ass characters and some solid health high damage/reset opportunity characters running the game.
I really look forward to trying out those jump cancels. Gives her a midscreen game finally. Some of her new BnB’s pull off around 700-800k, at least that’s what’s happening in the LL forums. Plus you might be able to set up fuzzy guard stuff with assists. It’s no pendulum cancel, but it sounds fun and effective regardless.
I also hear she makes Hawkeye cry with her Gongs. All he can do is Gimlet, and maybe slide. Making him come to you is good.
The only new character I like so far is Strider. I haven’t tried Frank yet so maybe he could replace She-Hulk? I don’t like Vergil at all, he even feels flimsy. Nova doesn’t seem too bad but I don’t see why I should use him when I can use Ironman. People are saying Task got buffed, but I can’t even do his old relaunches. Either I’m missing it and I’m an idiot, or these people never played Vanilla Task. Viper seems untouched, so there’s your #1 already. Dante doesn’t seem too different, I can still do all my old stuff or something similar.
My team so far is Dante/Wesker/Ironman because I’m a fraud and can’t adjust to new things.
I don’t know about that. I mean for the most part I agree but there are some high health characters now who pose a threat. I think Thor and Spencer are both problems now.
Until I know more about the new characters though I think Zero is currently the best character in the game.
Zero is easily one of the best characters in the game. All the issues you mentioned come from you not knowing the optimal confirms and not knowing about the changes to the game mechanics.
and as for the vergil debate, i think he’s really good if he’s loaded with meter. meterless, he’s not so bad if you have an assist to cover his normals and teleports. such a shame that his J.C doesn’t cross up though. the only use for DT atm is for better dmg during phantom swords ( or combos ).
but he’s not better than dante for a number of reasons so i can see why jago and yipes feel that way.
Not better than Dante is arguable. He has his own version of Zero’s lightning loop which isedelica showcased, which pretty much kills anyone if you get hit and Vergil has 1 bar at the start of the combo. Because of the HSD changes, combos in this game are more about who can override the HSD to ToD, and Vergil and Zero are in the prime position. Dante is still probably the best battery, being able to build 2 and a half bars with some assists and ToDing of a DHC.
Strider seems like the weakest sword character so far though.