I disagree with this tierlisting, Ryu and Gouki would be up there as Top Tier hands down, simply because Denjin-Ryu would now be a complete monster on any lvl, and almost the entire cast of 3S would have No Answer up against Gouki’s Aerial Fireball, this would push Gouki to literally monster lvls. Since he’d be a freak with or w/out meter.
Jump-In’s would definetly be dangerous, because things like Shoryuken could actually be used as Anti-Airs w/out fear of Parry. Hadouken’s wouldn’t be SF2 good, but they would actually be an obstacle, someone like Remy would become infinitely better.
I would also like to say that someone like Necro would go up the tier-listing, because he would be able to start zoning like how Sim did back in the SF2 days, instead of having to rushdown like the way he does in 3S.
However, as much as I myself do not like the Parry System, SFIII was intended with the Parry System in mind.
I think Alex would actually be a little better, since his pokes have decent priority (but just too many damn recovery frames. However, they are generally safe on block because they push you back) and he has awesome anti-air options. He’s also fast enough to get in your face, where he needs to be. Of course, since I’ve never actually tried it, I wouldn’t know for sure.
another one can be the most obvious thing concerning fighting games:
no f***ing game out there is 100% balanced
in each game you have a god and a bottom tier regardless on how exactly they’re far from each other
tier definition is in the win/lose matchup rate
obviously a god tier have an higher rate than a bottom one so he/she/it lead the game
then comes in the game engine that can help some characters to move in an higher or lower rank
but this is too theorical and no one seem to care about discussing it
let’s get back to the first point.
the only thing that allow you to start a stupid discussion like this is the system direction in the option menu
trust me, if only that stupid option wasn’t there a lot of this topics should never existed
btw 3s have parries and if you want to play it you have to accept and use them
3s programmers have worked around it and consequently balanced the game
removing them, via system directions or explicit ban will surely unbalance the game
quickly i can say that the most safe and aggressive pressing will be dominant
the beauty of parries is there, no one can rush blindly
at least if ppl kept playing 3s in its whole form for 10 years there’s a reason
those ‘new’ balancing attempt make me laugh
they only seem cries from scrubs
Whilst this topic has been done to death, I just couldn’t ignore Rengoku’s post.
This entire segment is tangential and unrelated. The OP is hypothetically minded from the get go. Stop trying to provoke drama.
This sentence makes so little sense it’s not even funny. Even without the option in the menu, it’s entirely possible to speculate about the absence of parries. Are you stupid? Besides, what was even your point in saying that?
Uh yeah? This is causality at work. Are you an imbecile?
Man, did you even read the first post? Never mind that, if someone said to you in an offhand manner: “Man, I wonder what it would be like if I were a woman” would you shout at him and say “BUT YOU AREN’T A WOMAN. IF YOU CAN’T HANDLE BEING A MAN JUST KILL YOURSELF. WHY ARE WE EVEN HAVING THIS CONVERSATION? GOD. FUCKING SCRUBS AT LIFE”?
PRESUMPTIONS ARE FUN.
Yeah, 3rd strike probably wouldn’t be as good without parries, but it’s not the point of this thread to ascertain whether it would be better, is it?
I concur, stop the flaming. It’s an honest question.
Here’s my scrubby input;
Third strike was built on the parrying system, almost. Taking out parrying would have incredibly dire effects all across the board (As said, Denjinn Ryu would be god-tier, Hugo would suck, etc. )
Better or worse fighter at what aspect? The game would still be fun (not better.). Technical-wise, you’d lose an entire dimension of strategy, but maybe that’s a good thing?
I’d enter it just for the hell of it. A change that radical is…interesting. I would want to see what happens. :wonder:
Ehh…depends on the naysayer. I think other tweaks (air blocking, blah blah) would have to be made to get their interest.
It irks me that people jump to flame so quickly. Why would you put down an honest survey of opinion like that? I have a few of my own 3S "what-if"s. Let’s see if they get burned as well?
What if Oro didn’t pull that arm-sealing crap? Obviously he’s some sort of master in the game universe, yet he’s low tier.
Ryu’s the hadoken master. Ken’s the shoryuken master. What if Ken had Ryu’s SA2?
What if the game included all of a character’s super arts (alpha style?)
- What if SF3 excluded Chun, Ken, Ryu and Akuma as originally planned?
What if you could cancel a dash?
They’re not serious questions. Just some pointless speculation.
no parries would just make some matchups extremely stupid
Hugo vs Remy = no chance in the hell, it would be something like 11 to -1 in remy’s favor
Denjin gets retarded
Yang can pressure all the day with safe slashes without the threat of parries agains any character with no good sho. I mean chipping away full health without any risk to be hit back.
Akuma vs Urien - Akuma gets close and starts with HK hurricane all the day. If Urien has no meter he can’t do anything about that.
Yes the game has been heavily designed with parries in mind. Some moves were made extremely good, with broken hitboxes and/or extremely safe precisely because they can be countered with parries
hell the entire game turns into a stupid mess w/o parries
First of all, it would not play like ST. Fireballs would still do no damage, never dizzy you, the only purpose would be to stall the match until someone got inside again.
Parries are the most obvious change, so they get to be the poster child, but 3s was just designed to play differently than a sf2 game.
Worse, it would be like putting parry into a sf2 game.
If the tournament is in the same game, it has to be really different and interesting. Doing that to 3s involves a lot more than “parries are banned”.
A lot of people would call me a ‘3s naysayer’, but I still play the game as is. I would like to see the gameplay improved, but removing parry doesn’t improve the game like say… removing akuma from ST.
One-off tournaments in anything aren’t a good idea IMO. The first couple tournaments in anything are won by the people that find the best exploit/trap/tactic and hide it. As the tournaments go on, everything becomes discovered, and tournaments become a lot more competitive and exciting. If there’s just going to be one tourney ever, mightaswell just cancel it and see if it works in casual.
you’re not talking with your sister nor your mom
save your anger for them
or at least take some valium drop before entering a discussion about videogames
that’s the worst thing to deal when i come over srk
ppl seem to warm too easily here
you post an opinion and if you don’t like it the retardness start, neg rep, isults etc etc
wow i think you’re a 15yo kid with rude-wannabe attitude
take it easy man
only scrubs think to change what they suppose to be ‘unbalanced’ or 'broken’
in order to save the world from cheapness
don’t you know that if you ban the most imba thing
what become the new imba is the second ‘broken’ thing in the game?
in 3s if you remove parry, as i said before, the most aggressive style win
what comes next?ban the aggressive characters?or allow parry only against aggressive characters?
the entire argument is stupid
it’s like to argue 'oh what if sun was cold?'
and what if 3s being kof?and kof being guilty gear?
what if sf2x without fireballs?
are you able to understand that is stupid?
save insults for your sister
as i told before
that’s the point
what’s the goal in making such stupid discussion?
