Nice, keep it classy Ves… :tup:
spare me the sarcasm. I’m not here to be classy or civil, I’m here to advance the technology of this character because apparently NO ONE else is able to do this for whatever reason.
arguments where the goalposts keep getting moved are impossible, frustrating, and pointless.
I no longer have patience for you and I refuse to continue to converse because it is a waste of my time. Go start a thread in fighting game discussion or something.
You started this argument Ves, not me!
I was just stating MY OPINION about tournament rules, I wasn’t criticizing you or anyone else (like I was able to criticize players like Shizza or Wolfkrone). You started the discussion, with half-ass arguments about what is “humanly possible” (like plinking KKK~PPP, for example, is possible without button binding) and I was polite enough to keep defending my point of view, instead of dismissing the discussion or, worse, dismissing you.
If you so superior to this, I ask you to think twice before starting a discussion so high in a pedestal.
And, before I forget, go fuck yourself with all your snobbish attitude and your deep knowledge of Blanka, SFIV, fighting games and everything else.
We’ll remember to put in your grave “Here lies Veserius, he was a dick, but he advanced the technology for Blanka when no one else was able to do it”
He’s well-known for being knowledgeable about the character, but increadibly arrogant, and very uptight.
Don’t get mad about it.
And about the subject: Sako and Daigo didn’t win Evo. Nor SBO.
The players who did don’t use 3P nor 3K buttons, nor BLinking.
Taku links Ultra with no bullshit attached.
It’s not a matter of “honor”.
It’s something personal. Some people care about winning but feel better if they do it “default-style” because they believe that’s the way it’s “meant to be played”.
Others care about winning no matter what, as long as it’s “legal”.
Different perspectives.
Kill the silly argument.
So? Daigo won 2 majors using blinking.
Taku has better execution than me, I don’t get what that has to do with anything.
My motto is:
Dont tell others how to play, and dont let others try to tell you how to play.
PPP/KKK binding, plinking, turbo, blinking, double tapping, stick, pad, hitbox**…whatever**, maybe thats just how the person learned to play the game. No one is better than anyone else just because they may have learned differently. Hard to fault someone for using a provided option, half the people learning the game have no idea of tourney rules in the first place. The see an option, try it out, and go with it.
If you win, and it works for you, then good deal. I’d rather play better competition no matter how they choose to play.
To each their own.
When you’re sponsored by Madcatz tell me.
The vast majority of players don’t bother with that sort of stuff, and claiming that “wanting to win” is a decent reason, is relatively silly. Daigo has been winning all his life and he didn’t need that. He’s just taking that extra step now due to his position.
The 3P/K subject is completely different.
It’s something less complicated and achievable by most.
It’s also a matter of choice, and I’m not against it. People may use whatever they want.
And about Taku…
A colleage of mine lives next to me.
He reaches work by foot, I reach by car.
If I had his stamina I’d get there by foot as well. He’s not special, and it’s not genetics.
As far as I know you don’t to be asian in order to have proper execution. Being that way, what’s with the whole “he has better execution” theory?
He has better execution because he trained. You don’t have the time nor the patience? Valid excuse.
But don’t say “he has better execution” and then wonder “what does that have to do with anything”.
It has to do with the fact that you mentioned top players using stuff like that.
I mentioned a top player: Taku, who happens to play Blanka and doesn’t use that. Just killing 2 birds with 1 stone. That’s what it “has to do with”.
If you wanna use it, no problemo.
But the whole “pros use it” is silly.
And so is “but he’s better than me”. Then get better.
If we all played in the arcade like the old days. It’d be all 6 button layouts.
But we don’t.
Yea but we dont, so use what yo mama(Capcom/MCZ/Hori/etc) gave u lol.
This is a fighting game, not a, play the way I play/want to play or else its not fair game of pattycake.
I had a dude online try tell me not to ever throw because it was cheap. So I threw his ass all over the place, he left and raged mailed, I laughed and added it to the collection online. Capcom makes the rules here, and you agree to them when you play THEIR game.
Thats HIS problem - he doesnt want to learn to NJ or tech throws, just like its not a turbo players problem the opposition doesnt learn how to frame trap or punish mashing.
99% of the time, the person getting MAD is the one that is wrong. You shouldnt play a game to get mad, degrade others, or feel superior, you play to have fun.
Lol, funny stuff. I use 8 buttons just cause they were there on my stick/console. I really don’t care, the only issue for me when switching to 6 buttons is hop.
I remember the old sf3 days of not throwing or attacking while dizzy. The not throwing fell out of favor though, but people would still hold back on dizzies. When I was playing sf2 in Florida 5 years ago, I wouldn’t attack while people were dizzy and they were like stunned by how “honoarable” I played and respected that. Then again in sf2 it didn’t take much to dizzy or KO an opponent.
People still get mad if I turtle. I just think to myself, they just don’t understand the game.
what
explain this
I never said Asians have magical better execution.
I have bad execution, I put time into it but it’s a weakpoint of my game. I’ve been clumsy my entire life and it isn’t always easy to get my hands to do what I want them to do. I train at it, I haven’t played fighting games as long as a lot of players, especially on stick, and I’m compensating for my lack of being able to reliably hit that link with a 7th button.
Arcade = no can use.
I assure you that arcades would not approve of anyone trying to rewire their viewlix cabs and adding a 7th button.
It’s a completely different environment and you can’t compare arcade to playing on console.
so is “pros don’t use it”
I have been getting better. I’m not sitting here lamenting that I’m not a top Japanese Blanka who’s massively inferior gaijin hands will never be able to equal their glorious execution. I’m just a guy who is trying to get better, and when I find things that do make me better I share them with this forum because I’m a nice guy and I don’t want everyone to be even farther behind than they already are.
I use a 7th button and I’m advocating using it because I think it will help a lot of struggling players who have trouble with the short short short links, I don’t know what the hell got up everyone’s ass, but whatever.
This is now the stupidest argument I have ever seen in these forums.
Hey guess what, this is a fuckin console game that allows people to use 8 buttons. If this bothers you, go suck a tit.
Hey turbo is cheating, because tournament rules say so. If this bothers you, go suck a dick.
If plinking of ultras or anything else bothers you, commit suicide because you are fuking retarded. All top players do it because it makes hard shit easier.
If you wanna bitch some more about more retarded shit, do it on eventhubs or crapcom’s webshits, because yall be stinkin up a pretty useful blanka forum. Yes i realize im whining about whiners, I do not care about what anyone thinks…because I make money on this game and you likely dont!
Yes Im fuking right, yes Im fucking arrogant. Get the fuck out if you cant use new technology to help your game or if you just want to whine about stupid fucking shit.
^Well thats just fan-tastic, Josh is getting paid, so he must be right! lol To each their own, if you are having fun, then you are doing something right.
Either way, this couldnt be further off topic:razzy:
Damn right, making money on SF means im smart enough to have an opinion. Other people just yip yap because their mom gave them a mouth.
Ahem, on topic, blanka will be the ballz in 2012.
yip yappin, yip yappin, bitch slappin, yip yappin!
If you’re not a sponsored “got a responsability when playing” type of player, then why take it that far with the whole “winning” thing, when other players (like I mentioned: Taku), go on major tournaments (which we don’t) and pull shit off consistently either way? That was what I meant.
And mind you that Daigo can obviously hit his jab 1fls without blinking. He’s doing it because “why the fuck not”.
Like I said: I’ve got nothing against blinking, nor using pads, or PPP/KKK buttons. Absolutely nothing.
But I do find some justifications “silly”.
When you say your execution is bad and so you use it, that’s not a bad reason. At all. It’s a pretty good one.
But when you mention pros using them, then you’re implying that it’s somehow some new technology that people need to succeed.
Some need, and use it.
Others don’t need, and use it anyways to make it easier.
Others don’t need, and don’t use it.
Others could take advantage of it, but choose not to use it.
There’s nothing wrong with it.
Just recently a person I know said he wanted to rewire his stick like Daigo so he could plink cr.jab after cr.short with boxer (1fl).
And I wondered, considering how much he still had to level up in regards to the character and overall gameplay, why the fuck was he bothering with that sort of shit.
It’s not that there’s something wrong with blinking. But sometimes the reasoning behind people using certain “shortcuts” is completely crooked.
Using PPP to plink Blanka’s U1 is as valid as using easier combos to maintain consistency.
It’s simply valid. I don’t always go for the most damaging punisher if I risk getting punished severely if I fail. Sometimes, that 1fl is extremely easy because we’ve done it so often.
But sometimes, it’s not.
Most dictator’s don’t go for c.mp > c.mk xx hk scissors/hp psycho after a Focus Attack.
Why? It’s nost as consistent as a simple close.HP xx whatever.
Most blankas don’t punish with close.MP > c.mk xx Elec.
Why? Inconsistency or simple lack of execution. It’s character specific anyway, I believe, but even in those cases where they can, they don’t do it.
Not even a c.mk xx elec.
I believe T Srai sometimes does it after a focus, but only because he has the time to dash/hop so he can buffer 3 punches beforehand. He doesn’t slide it.
And he also has a different setup in terms of buttons (which is noticeable if you watch his inputs for hop c.mk xx Fierce Elec, in that it has a jab+fierce input almost every single time in between buttons, which doesn’t make any sense unless his jab and fierce were very close to each other).
Dat voice of reason.
What you really meant was, in 2012 he will NOT be the ballz, he is gonna be middle pack(up from low with the new buffs) and still needs more help! Give him his hori ball hitbox back!!!
I’m maybe not looking to get sponsored, but I am going to be playing in more majors going forward as I have not played in one for a long time. I take my SF very seriously and I’m working on being a top player.
I do go to big tournaments(infrequently), and maybe I’m in the minority here, but I’m actually very good at this game and I net a small amount of money playing it.
I have the exact same mentality with my PPP button. I can hit it but it makes it less of a hassle on me to do so. I can actually hit the PPP~HK plink, but then I have to do a weird thing to make sure I can hold the ultra by timing when i hit PPP again. It is more work than it is worth.
No actually, thats you inferring things that I did not say. I’m not implying anything.
This is character specific, only works on deep jumpins on standing characters, and is hard. It doesn’t even work on certain dizzied characters, and you can’t do it from practical safejump setups.
It’s a bad combo unless you happen to just hit someone with a j.hk while they are crouching and happen to be playing one of a handful of characters.
Most people do shitty combos. I generally throw, do st.strong, st.jab xx hp elec, or cr.mk xx hp elec after a focus and a f.dash because I do the optimal thing more often than most.
T Srai does a lot of weird/suboptimal things. Like focus, dash in 4 cr.shorts for no reason.
My gutt tells me that the theoretical guy does not Go to tournament, or if he does he doesnt take them seriously. Pretty much explains everything he says.
woah woah woah, didn’t you guys get the memo? i thought i made it clear that the only way to advance blanka tech is to be an grumpy muthfucka! I passed the torch, ves is picking up the slack just fine, ilitirit is still a bit to happy and polite for my liking but oh well, you just can’t get the staff nowadays.