Transformers 3

Would it have really been more interesting? I don’t think it would have changed the story at all. They seem to go with the Pick Names out of a hat method of naming characters in these movies.

At the very least I feel that I got my moneys worth out of one viewing by merit of the special effects and also by merit of it not being as abysmally bad as the 2nd one. There are some pretty glaring plot holes even for a Micheal Bay level movie.

[details=Spoiler]- The entire thrust of the movie was the Cyberton “into Earth’s Atmosphere” so they could use humans and Earth’s resources to rebuild their planet. Even if we assume they misspoke and intended just to bring Cyberton into Earth’s orbit they still killed most life on Earth and thus their workforce.

-It’s implied that they can’t transport humans through the Space Bridge but Jetfire Transported Sam, Mikeala, Simmons, and that annoying room mate to Egypt with his Space Bridge Technology.

-The Decepticons blew the crap out of Chigago in order to seal the city. While they succeeded in blowing the crap out of the city, they utterly failed at sealing it. Sam; Epps, and Co.; and the entire crew of Autobots simply drove into the city.

-Were the Decepticons really capable of enslaving the entire human race? While they blew the crap out Chigago thier entire plan ended up foiled by soldiers, a couple kids, and 9 Autobots. The Decepticons brought like 200 Cybertronians through their Space Bridge and couldn’t hold down one city. Considering that Human weapon are affective against them, even if you removed the 9 Autobots, if the full force of the worlds Armies were turned on them they would not be able to enslave Billions of Humans.
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Mack Trucks can’t drive through these, but maybe a Beetle

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Cybertron into Earth - True, Unless they go for it in The Ultimate Doom style, the abundance of natural disasters could have produced the energy to create Energon

Spacebridge - Yep, I saw that, but then remembered the scene in ROTF. Maybe the containment field was different in Jetfire’s. Remember, he did state they all needed to remain close or they won’t make it. That bridge is generated differently than his.

True- but they didn’t roll in with a strike force, they came in with a hot rod and pickups.

Master Megatron - Yes, they were, but they were under the pretense that the Autobots could not combat the threat. Remember, once they got in, everybody got in. Humans have been trained to strategically eliminate Cybertronians over the years, I don’t find that far fetched that they couldn’t dispatch Cons. If you took the Autobots away, I don’t think humans would have won. The Autobots made an opening in the city not expecting the problem, beat them with surprise. America more than likely is the only country had the technology, and only a small part of their fighting force has access to it.

So is this movie good cuz the other 2 were ass?

I know the effects, fights, anything with CGI or an explosion is gonna be awesome, but there is more to a movie than that, OBVI BRAAAHH!!!

Thought the first was Meh, second movie made me want to assault everyone in the cinema that laughed at the jokes and the twins.

As for the third movie

…AWESOME!

loved it, left the cinema thinking that was definitely worth the money, and I’d probably get the DVD when it comes out.

My favourite parts were all the human scenes, firstly the Chinese guy at the beginning and the later scene with the sky divers.

…I feel like such a geek

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I think I was the only one in the cinema that laughed at the star trek references

OP: Why do you hate Xbox so much?

OT: The new TF flick looks all right. It’s a decent series, but it’s so different from everything I loved as an OG Transfan. I dunno.

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The Matrix - I honestly can’t defend that one, unless Megatron was that smart (which I doubt from this continuity). He planned for it to be that way where he would create the need to find the Matrix, have Prime get it, and then have his Master plan unfold.

Space Bridge - The command pillar and 5 others were locked away with SP. They Cons may have checked the crash vault saw he was there, and left him with the command one as he is of no use dead/ in stasis. If the Autobots rescued him and knew the command pillar was gone, red flags would have went up. Remember, the Russian probe showed that they removed them prior to the 1st landing, and put them in safe keeping until his return.

Some Could have come from Titan like in ROTF and some stuck around after the battle in Egypt.

The Matrix was the key. Again, I don’t think it was written this way but Megatron may have wanted Prime to succeed. Still doubt it was written that way. That is one hole that doesn’t set well, unless it’s retconned. Remember we can build machines to “help” them rebuild the planet. Humans don’t have to do true manual labor.

End of the War - The end of the war is the truce to rebuild the planet.

About the Ark, read my previous post. I think that’s more of a decoy. He just got “lost” on the moon and couldn’t communicate.

SP Defection - Covers the tracks better. If he let all of the crew know, he could not have gotten a ship with the crew to get to our solar system.

Ow that hurt :lol:

Years ago, I made my own faction sign:

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this movie sucked balls.

the action was good to look at, but every other aspect gets a thumbs down from me.

it is definately a step up from the other transformer movies tho. the “plot” made more sense, the jokes werent quite as corny, and the acting and action were better. that being said its still terrible.

the plot has gaping holes, and isnt very well connected, and while acted out better, the dialogue is atrocious. also with every story element being a throw away, i didnt really care about the on screen visuals, even if they were nice from an artistic, “water cooler moment”, standpoint

also…

wtf leonard nemoy

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did he really throw out some star trek dialogue? michael bay sucks

The first half of the movie I thought I was watching “The Office.” Fell alsleep after 30 minutes and woke up not knowing what the hell was going on. Didnt watch the ending cause I left for work.

filling plot holes brings more plot holes :frowning:

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If the end of the war was suppose to be a truce, SP didn’t really need to defect (does it even count as a defection?). The transformers as a whole didn’t really need to invade another planet, attempt to blow it’s sun up, cause another war, kill more of each other, secretly smuggle a teleportation device an ark then shoot it down (still can’t get over that fact, even after both of us explaining it), create an insanely elaborate plan that spans 60 odd years, SP could have tried to throw Optimus a bone offer some explanation and not violate Ironhide so badly, shit the transformers could have just TALKED over it back on Cybertron and now I’m raging again, lol.

Some of the plot holes are minor (you probably won’t even notice and if you do it’s not going to ruin the movie magic…much) I admit. But some are big ones that can’t really be filled, even when you go through leaps and bounds and try to - and in some cases, when you do those things, you actually break the story completely.

I can understand in terms of maybe there were deleted scenes that explained them or the writers didn’t know about certain plot points until later but it’s difficult to swallow the end product when it doesn’t really add up with it’s own established canon. I don’t mind if a movie isn’t super intelligent (I freaking love predator!), but I at least expect it play by it’s own rules, you know? And if they aren’t going to give me that, then don’t skimp on the action as well!

And that’s all the rage I have left for this movie completely and utterly exhumed from my body
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Sit tight I got this :lol:

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If they just talked it out, then no movie 3 :cool:

Granted, its not exactly a “truce” but more of a walk with the devil than get caught in his path kind of thing.

Yeah, the Matrix one, basically is a black hole in the story. If you could honestly forget about ROTF, it would clear all this up. If they put a line in linking Megatron wanting to use his “Master” to bait it out, then problem solved.

Oh and the cables, at least if the Driller was coming after him and was defending himself, I’d buy that. However, just chillin wasn’t the best way to remove him from battle. I guess The Wreckers put thier engineering skills to use.

i thought the first movie was very good for all the fight scenes it had… optimus whooping @$$ with trees is pretty awesome

the second movie sucks… it was cool to see a constructicon… but that was about the only cool thing of the movie… other than that… running 10 miles in the egyption desert in 5 mins… a little impossible and lame i must say

the third movie… i think competes with the 1st but doesnt quite match it all the way… reason being… theres basically only one fight scene in the whole movie… and other than that its a whole movie of all the humans runing from the decepticons just like in the second one.
sadly if you want to see alot of fights your not going to … except for at the very end when optimus and sentinel fight… then megatron join in… and then its over only fight scene… sucks

That may be true, but star trek had some plot holes too, and the story was iffy. Same exact bullshit that people levy against Bay’s transformer films. However, just like Bay, Abrams shot the fuck outta that movie.

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One fight scene?

What movie were you watching?

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Yeah, I wanted to know his reasoning for that one?

yeah but i didn’t see too many people jumping on Abrams for the plot holes that were there, though the only plot hole that i felt the movie had was the whole Spock and Kirk being on the same snow planet.
Found this theory on another message board that explains some stuff from DOTM

DOTM

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It seems chasing the Allspark alone was hardly a plan right? And Megatron being Number 2 to the Fallen doesn’t fit him right? Nobody commands the Decepticons but him right?

Thing is Megatron had a Plan. But it all went to The Pit thanks to Luck or Fate.

It all fits!

For one thing Megatron knew where the Allspark is going to crash because Sentinel Prime told him as he defected.
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The Ark with its sophisticated sensors knew where it was headed. Megatron went ahead to take it. Or Sentinel arranged its trajectory towards Earth.

But wait what about the Fallen and Sentinel Prime? The Fallen wanted every bot named Prime dead. Here’s the thing Megatron had Sentinel Prime’s death faked!

Megatron wanted to use Sentinel Prime to kill the Fallen. Consolidate his leadership on both factions by killing the Decepticon founder and having support of the Autobot founder.

They were supposed to rendezvous on Earth but Megatron got iced. Unfortunately the Space Bridge used after the escape malfunctioned brought the Ark at the wrong time or space. Or the Ark was too damaged to make it in time.

With Sentinel in stasis he never got a wake up call and the Ark eventually plowed on the moon.

Soundwave and Laserbeak who were in the know of Megatron’s plan hid a sizable army on the moon keeping it secret from the Fallen and Starscream. This fleet were reported as looking for the Allspark elsewhere in the galaxy. Organized raiding the Ark of the Space Bridge pillars on the Moon and waited for Megatron’s return setting up human agents around Earth.

The Seekers have been trying to look for the Matrix. Its so hush-hush secret the Autobots did not know about it. But Wheelie knows… And he worked for Soundwave.

Jetfire believe the Fallen was an bunghole that abandoned them. What if Soundwave did a little “creative accounting” of his own. These guys are listed off as dead. Hampering their efforts. And having little spies like Wheelie track them down so they wouldn’t get in the way of the plan.

yes… basically thats all there was … imo

If you look at it as A vs. B then yeah, that may be true. but . . . .

Autobots wage thier battle to . . .

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Highway Battle Sequence
Mexican Standoff aka TF Tag Tournament - Ironhide and Sideswipe vs. The Dreads
Sentinel vs. The Autobots
Optimus vs. Sentinel pt. 1
Roughly the last hour of the movie between the Autobots and Decepticons
Optimus vs. the Driller
Optimus vs. Cables
Optimus vs. Sentinel pt. 2
Optimus pwning of Megatron

Not including everytime a gun was shot, but Did I miss any?

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Optimus Vs Driller in Russia. I’d have said Driller and Shockwave but i don’t think Shockwave did anything in that battle other than pose.