Saw it again in 3D tonight. I must say that I was not all that impressed. Except for a few scenes(Prologue and the big battles), I didn’t get much out of it. At times I actually forgot that I was watching a 3D movie. It seems that 3D today focuses more on depth that the action coming towards you. Still liked the movie, but doubt I’d be seeing it in that fashion. Perhaps seeing it in 2D first heightened my expectations.
I liked it even though I would have preferred Rachet to die instead of Ironhide funny how Barricade finally returned albeit short lived.
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I thought it was actually good. 10x better than i expected it, i never understood why some people here hated the movie series, is it another “oh it didn’t follow the cartoon/comic” flow nerd vibe that gave some hate towards it?
Anyway, i enjoyed it. It was kinda bad during the start, but then picked up really. The fight scenes where good (as always), and the background music/sound effects made the movie as great as it is.
However, i was a bit sad about Megan Fox not being in there. I didn’t like the new chick…
I think the majority of you are hating on bay because it’s the popular thing to do. He is the director version of “Final fantasy VII was the greatest/most overrated game ever!” I seriously doubt 9/10ths of you could actually name why you think he sucks or why he’s a good/bad director or articulate what you don’t like about the guy or how he’s inept but managed to get films with giant fucking robot combat made.
The reality is, there are maybe 2 or 3 directors that could make a movie like this, and Bay is one of them.
I know a bunch of you guys hate the design and could have directed a better version of the film but we got what we got. And I promise that the next director that reboots this franchise will be just as hated and you guys will hate the designs, hate the story, and hate the whole premise. And you’ll all go see it anyway.
I really think Bay cares about making films, he onviously cares about these characters and he did a good job overall with the series. The special effects especially are top notch in every film, and I didn’t find myself really going “well, that ain’t real” like I do in most other films.
And he made Bumblebee a mother fucking threat.
Now, as for what I thought of the film… I enjoyed it. Bay did what he does best and blew shit up. The biggest thing that impressed me was how much action there was. The last hour of the movie was the war with the machines that we’ve been promised in every terminator film since the first but never got. The story was leagues ahead of the second, but still a bit weak overall. If I had any complaint it would be that. The pacing is a little uneven but still enjoyable. I really dug the NASA throw back.
Anyway. Sorry most of you guys hated it.
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lol They tried Megan Fox HORD in his movie.
[Spoiler=] Still hated those retard minibots and the cliched characters living in soem cartoonish slapstick universe, but then I just accepted the movie for what it was and enjoyed the ride.
I also liked how when Sentinel Prime just woke up knowing nothing to calling human technology inferior in a matter of minutes.
Wandering cloak pimp Megatron was the best part of the movie for me. the cloak was a nice touch.
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I will say that Bay is a scrub compared to his idols Cameron and Spielberg, but he’s not as pretentious as those two, and he can still make a silly, gratuitous, shallow action flick without it sullying his ‘image.’ Despite all of that, I believe Bay is a fan of the genre of films that he’s known for (particularly of the McTiernan-directed and Bruckheimer/Simpson-produced style of action flicks, as well as various HK/Frankenheimer/etc classics), and I detect that he’s a professional when it comes to the craft of filming a high-profile, high-budget movie, and making the cg and post-production work together. With Spielberg producing Transformers, Bay’s doing Spielberg’s ‘dirty work,’ and he’s the best man available for the job (… because I guess Abrams was busy).
Chew on this, call me an uncultured idiot or flip open your thesaurus Firefox add-on to make yourself appear smarter than the rest of us: Aronofsky makes better movies than Bay, but Bay is better at making movies than Aronofsky. Think about that when you watch Superman Man of Steel (because you will), whine about how shitty a director Zack Snyder is (as if you missed his last 5 movies somehow) and how Hollywood is going down the toilet (as if you aren’t partly responsible for that), while you wonder why your favorite ‘arthouse’ directors were so busy doing… doing… well I don’t know what they’re doing.
You can’t kill the medic that doesn’t do MEDIC stuff. . . . that’s proposterous :lol:. They kept him just incase there were some needed repairs.
People just like the original cause well, its the original. I find it funny that a series that’s about change, fans get riled up if there are any differences.
However, people hate the movies because of the robots are not the stars of the show and the plots could be better. Movie 1 was solid, movie 2 was ok (plot wise) and movie 3 was great.
When I heard Bay was going to be the Director, I thought Transformers FTW. Like Ronin said, I think that there are only a few directors that could carry the vibe of the franchise, correctly producing the action with the story.
Robot Designs - I like most of them. I wish I could just wipe the ones from ROTF, but with movie 3, they finally began producing designs that were more coherent with thier alternate modes (The Wreckers specifically). Let’s face it, if we got G1 on this, it would be sad. I like the more alien bio-technical look as they seem more alive. It’s just designs like Starscream that just make me want to shoot someone. If there is another story/ saga, I just want everyone to at least be a humanoid type shape, get rid of the quad eyes, and not make the con’s look so insectoid in the face. Granted, since Megatron and crew they are the warrior race, they all have battlemask elements, tone it down a notch.
As a personal request: Don Figueroa needs to be the lead designer, he’s got the right art direction for the Ongoing G1 series. It satisfies the fan, but at the same time, the bots look like they can actually move.
Bumblebee - He’s the new Snake Eyes :lol:
Bay obviously cares about his work. He stays on budget and on time with his projects and does things to appeal to the masses. It’s entertainment. Now, I don’t think you should go in with your brain switched to off, but at least go for a ride and have to put things together. By far Ehren Kruger did a solid job crafting the story. I don’t know if its because Orci and Kurtzman had less creative control or what, but this beats the other two clean.
Reboot - I honestly don’t want one, unless there is a sizable time between this movie and the next. If anything, a teenage boy can’t be the human link. I like how the real world set in on this one and Sam couldn’t really play with the big boys and is practically removed from the equation until it made sense for him to get back in there. Keep it with the military most of the way through and it should be alright as if there was a warring alien race coming to our planet, then they’d have something to do with it.
I don’t think Abrams was busy, I don’t think he would have done the franchise justice.
I don’t think you’re uncultured. It makes sense. Not everyone wants to be serious nor go to the theater to find meaning in a piece of work. It all depends on what you’re going for. I enjoy good films, but I like to go in for the simpler stuff too.
Well, i never had problems with the series. I thought 1 was enjoyable, 2 was alright, 3 great… i could care less about humans being stars or it not flowing well with the cannon comics/cartoon.
According to an older call sheet, Sentinel Prime was originally Ultra Magnus. Now that would have been interesting.
Thanks but I don’t agree that Bay’s the best director for alien giant sci-fi. Bay is better at filming real people caught in ridiculous, high-concept situations. Bad Robot proved over and over that they can tackle giants, alien worlds, creatures, sci-fi conventions. On the other hand, I think Bay would have made an INCREDIBLE GI Joe.
EDIT: Haven’t seen Super 8 yet
Bad Robot can, I just haven’t seen one a monster movie that I really liked by him. Star Trek was superb, but Super 8 and Cloverfield just didn’t do much for me. LOL @ sci fi conventions.
Look at it this way at least it isn’t the The Last Airbender now that’ an abomination.
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my thoughts
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Good things:
- I found it genuinely hilarious, particularly in the first half hour. Much funnier than the first two combined imo
- The plot, whilst it does have weaknesses, is a lot better than the previous two also.
- It did have some genuinely cool action scenes - sand worm demolishing a tower and what little transformer action we got was fun to watch. I know some folk don’t like Bay’s action scenes, but I love them!
- The scene with S. Prime and Optimus talking to each other about leadership was interesting to watch.
- One-armed Optimus carrying an axe!
Bad things:
- A number of plot points do not make sense: The biggest one being If Megs and S. Prime were in cahoots from the start, why’d the decepticons shoot the ark down in the first place?
- Ironhide dies and no one cares.
- Megatron, leader of the decepticons, is reduced to a hobo…complete with a rag and back alley. He gets one fight in the entire movie (after sam’s gf calls him a bitch), blasts S. Prime in the back then gets owned by an admittedly bad-ass, one-armed Optimus carrying an axe. This wouldn’t be a problem if Megs had off-screen presence to make up for it - but he doesn’t. He doesn’t even have on-screen presence…
- Starscream does very little also. Compare him to the first movie where he: freed megs, found the cube, bodied Ironhide, BB AND the furby van! Even in the second film he did things (was involved in quite a few fight scenes, played some sort of role - yeah, he wasn’t quite as bad-ass but at least he did things). Here he just drooled and got stabbed in the eye.
- Autobot on Decepticon fights are severly lacking in favour of human action scenes (and by action scenes, I mean running around buildings not shooting a damn thing). In one particular case it is unforgivable: after destroying Starscream with the bomb, Sam is saved by BB. Two scenes later, all the autobots including BB, are held captive, “outnumbered” and in a firing line…would really like to have seen how that actually happened!
- Optimus gets his legs caught in some wiring and can’t get out for 20 odd minutes. It’s not the fact he has swords in his arms, or that he can you know fly, but the fact that he’s stuck there, dangling for literally 20 minutes…Optimus prime, defeated by cable.[/details]
What I will say in defense of the bay movies is at least they implement things from the comics, cartoons and transformer’s continuity as a whole. S. Prime, Jetfire, Wreckers, energon etc. I don’t always agree with how they are realised but I’ll give them credit for at least putting them in the movies…in some shape or form.
I’ve known about that. I thought that was kind of cool. Keeps the budget low :lol:
What plot points confuse you outside of that one?
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I don’t consider it that a plot hole. Perhaps I didn’t see it that way.
The Ark - SP locked himself away in the Ark to ensure his safety. Since SP was going to defect, if there was a crew of Autobots, he would have had to kill them all anyway. Why not put them out of their misery and die a hero.The Cons blow the fell out of it, killing the crew, but not SP since he is in the holding bay. Ship had the engines blasted on that general trajectory for Earth. However, the moon got in the way.
Ironhide’s death - Could have been handled by a 10 sec line, but in all honesty, didn’t hurt me much. I’m about to get the rusted to death, I won’t be mourning, I’d be shooting the bastard that killed my crewmate.
Megatron - I agree. That was really week (yet awesome) in the way that he went out. SP and Prime’s battle should have been for Megatron and Optimus. If they switched the two, it would have been better received.
Starscream - Face it, he’s a bitch, acts like a bitch, and gets throttled . . . . like a bitch. I totally approved.
Human Interaction - We all want more, but you have to balance it. I think what was there, it was the right mix. Also, adding more robot means adding more $$. I got enough protoforms and clones, imagine if there were more battles.
Optimus Wire-Fu - Yeah, not the best way to keep him out of the battle. Here is Optimus Prime’s weapon loadout
Dual Energon Powered Swords
Dual Energon Powered Axes
Mech Tech Trailer
Chest bursting Knuckle Tech
Face Ripping Kung Fu Grip
Yet gets stopped by wires. It gave the Wreckers something to do, but that’s about it.
Don’t do that reply-with-a-picture shit. This isn’t gamefaqs.
Read the fucking thing again and figure out if I’m serious.
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Wasn’t megs on earth anyway? Him wanting to meet up with what’s-his-face kind of makes sense unless I’m remembering wrong.
Also, make sure you mark your spoilers, please. A lot of folks haven’t seen this yet.
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I believe I marked them, unless you weren’t talking to me. Let me know and I’ll fix em
POW WOW
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As far as the Cons knew, he was still battling for the Autobots. After he met with Megatron, he would have then forced a truce between Autobot and Decepticon.