The vast majority of movie-goers that loved ROTF weren’t fans. With that said, if it could somehow be placed on its own with a different name and no relation to Transformers, just a generic alien robot movie? I probably would have enjoyed it.
However, as a fan judging it as a Transformers movie, it was awful.
I guess my point is, try to look at it from a non-fans perspective. For them the movie was great.
I am not a Transformers fan.
I think people that enjoyed ROTF enjoyed it for the action. I mean thats why i cut ROTF some slack cause the actions wasnt too bad.
The people that I know that liked ROTF said
two of the four you nailed. The average movie goer is wowed and suckered by hot actresses and shit blowing up + nostalgia orgasm.
What would make a good Transformers movie? Reduce the involvment of human characters, remove the development of human characters, focus on issue’s that the transformers faced, make it through the eyes of the transformers not some little f a g and his pet car. The Transformers Animated Movie had more appeal in its theme song than Transformers 1or 2
exactly. See the things is I rate the film against other action films and that cater to the demographic they’re shooting for. The TF movies are decent for what they’re trying to do.
Sex and violence sells…that’s day one knowledge on easy ways to get people to watch your movie. as for the changes, we need the human interaction with robots because of how the series is. Pure robots will bore the average movie goer…you need that contrast.
Which is exactly why these movies suck. If they had better character development, then sure by all means do it. Character development is great, but what is great about character development with a has been actor and a talentless actress? Maybe im expecting 20 minute fights like in those Asian films or war films, which I want because all the fights in these movie’s have been so anti-climatic. If there has to be human development, make it between the damn robot and the humans that matter and make it on the same level as idk District 9. that had great character development between an over sized shrimp and a human, not between an awkward tween and his bimbo girl.
Transformers 1 n 2 is about a little fa g and his bimbo girl and how their love is challenged and strained by giant robots that can transform. Rather than a sect of robots that is desperately trying to protect a primitive organism in which they see unlimited and perhaps greater potential than they do in themselves. The prime example being the awkward teen who is willing to sacrifice for the greater good.
why am i ranting at you? Im just really dissapointed with movies now in days, they are so anti-climatic in most aspects.
dude you’re making too much out of a shallow series to begin with…to make it on the level of district 9, you’d need a different director with a different viewpoint but as I see it, who else can do the series better than Micheal Bay? no I’m not trolling I really believe Micheal Bay while not perfect has done a decent job with a series about alien robots who battle over shit. looking back at the cartoons where it all began there’s not much deepness there to begin with so I don’t get the hate for where he choose to take the series. is it mindless? Yes but the source material isn’t Shakespeare to begin with. I still say cut him some slack and if things like this really bother you or anyone else rather than hating on a msg board go grab a camera and begin doing it better than he can. Shia Lebouf yeah I dislike the guy but it could have been far worse and I feel people really focus too much on him the same way they did to Hayden Christenson in the Star Wars Trilogy 1-3.
It sucks for those who can’t let things go…but again what can you do?
my ego demands for quality movies. Beast Wars and Beast Machines had more substance and better character development than this shit. But I didn’t even pay to see Trnsfm 2 streamed that shit so hard, and im going to do the same with 3. Timmy can get his parents to pay for my ticket when he convinces mommy to take him again.
Bay’s Transformers are action movies, and action movies have a priority over everything else-- delivering stylized action sequences. There are a handful of movies that deliver a balance of strong themes, interesting story, character development, pacing AND heavy action… but really, those movies are considered the best action movies of all time. The rest are incredibly unsatisfying in the action department, despite having well-done dramatic elements. Or, they leave the story on the cutting board but pull off some incredible special effects and choreography. Or they’re just horribly mediocre and unchallenging. When the usual Internet poster talks about demanding ‘quality’ filmmaking, they face a gamble with genre action movies… except when you’re dealing with Michael Bay, who has a well-established record of stylish action with light plotline. If you want a strong narrative, don’t hold your breath for a stylish, made-for-Summer action movie to deliver… it’ll happen, but it’ll take a few years for that gem to come along, if not a decade or longer. There are other genres that have a priority to develop characters and exploit drama, or they’re typically considered failures. OR, learn to like films for what they are, instead of stuffing your expectations into them.
Having said all that, ROTF wasn’t Bay’s brightest moment by any standard. Especially not the action. So… it was basically complete fail in my eyes… except for showing Transformers finally talking to each other for more than a minute.
There’s that “you need to appreciate it for what it is” stance again. A piece of shit is really fucking good at being a piece of shit. I can not see anything being quite as shit-like as a piece of shit. 10/10 for the highest achievable state of being fecal matter.
That’s an example of appreciating something for its own merits.
Good action movies are NOT considered good for their narrative. They’re considered good for their action. An action movie that delivers good action WILL be well received. There are many, many examples of action movies that have weak narrative and storyline elements, or at the most perform in a serviceable fashion in these elements, but are well liked just because they delivered on what they promised: good action and exciting sequences. If ROTF was good in any aspect which any reasonable cinema goer would expect, it would not be getting as much flak as it is now. ROTF failed on all fronts. There is nothing to redeem here.
Here are just a few examples of good action movies with, at best, mediocre plot elements that I pulled out off the top of my head:
The Terminator series.
Predator.
The Rambo series (with the exception of First Blood, since that was just a good performance and plot driven movie rather than a through and through action movie).
The Die Hard series.
Ong Bak.
The Lethal Weapon series.
The Matrix (original movie, not the trilogy).
Transporter (1 & 2).
Equilibrium.
Almost any Jackie Chan movie from the 80’s, 90’s and early 2000’s.
… and so on.
The first Transformers I thought was a quality movie and it looked like they at least tried. ROTF was just a huge green pile of donkey shit that feel out of the ass of Rosanne Barr.
ROTF was a horrid Transformer movie, the first Bay TF was barely a Transformer movie at all. Just because they appear on screen doesn’t mean they play an essential part of the story. May as well agree that Will Smith’s I Am Legend was a Batman/Superman crossover.
…I’m pretty sure that I’m paraphrasing over and over.
Don’t know if this was posted but yeah this is link has some HUGE spoilers for the movie.
People like the action in ROTF? Huh.
And I dunno man the Decepticons where a pretty big part of the first Transformers movie and they are, point of fact, Transformers. The best Transformers.
Yeah, the Decepticons worked in concert to wreak havoc on humans, in a Godzilla type of way, but they didn’t really have personality. They did comm transmissions in their moonspeak but they hardly talked to each other face-to-face. Really, you could argue that the chaos was a vehicle for the relationships between Sam and Mikaela and those military dudes to develop, and the conflict between the two TF factions were background noise.
If the big-budget flagship Superman or Batman movies just had them flying around and knocking heads, only uttering a couple of dehumanizing speaking lines, and the main protagonists were Jimmy Olson or Gordon, fans would cry foul, wouldn’t they? All these superhero license movies focus on the eponymous character and their history and their day-to-day conflicts with their allies and enemies. They aren’t treated as a soul-less excuse to move the plot forward. But TF gets a pass, I guess because they’re robots (albeit humanoid), and because it’s score another point to troll G1 fans.
Yea I guess so. I liked the first one and thought the set up for the big reveal was cool. It’s not an amazing movie but it’s a good way to kill time which is all i expect from Bay movies at most. ROTF doesn’t kill an afternoon tho. It just makes my head hurt.
And Batman Year One is almost more about Gordon then it is Batman if you ask me and it’s still excellent.
There are good Batman/Superman stories that aren’t centered on the main characters. Fans of those series would e-riot if they made one of those into the main blockbuster movie.
EDIT: Not DCAU OVAs, not an off-shoot like X-Men Origins Wolverine-- the main movie where you’ll have to wait 5 years or more, after the first series is done, for a reboot to do it right.
I guess so…DC is Animating Year One sometime this year. I know its not a big blockbuster but its something. Shrug I dunno, I can’t say I care that much since it’s Transformers and I’m not an amazingly huge fan. i liked Beast Wars…and that’s about it. Almost every time I tuned into the other Transformers shows it was more about the kids then the robots anyway. What was that one some years ago…Before the new re-imaging of them. That one had more kids on screen then robots 99% of the time.
Humans are almost always a part of TF (except Beast Wars at least)-- in a Jimmy Olson/James Gordon kind of way-- but TF’s always talk and interact and show their personality and express their fatigue over the bitter war they’re fighting. They act like (alien humanoid) people with a brain. ROTF had a little bit of that-- some of it awful aka Skids/Mudflap/Transformer Heaven–the first one didn’t, which is one reason why I didn’t really like it (the other part is it kind of sucked for a Bay action movie).
I guess it’s a fan thing but I can’t say I’m a giant fan of Transformers either, I just see what the Bay movies are doing wrong. I’m not a Spider-man fan at all but I know the storyline, and I can understand why fans were pissed off at S-M3. I dunno what else to say here
If you closely watch the trailer to DOTM you’ll notice it’s ALMOST the same exact flick as ROTF, a.k.a. i’m not really excited for it… I just want it to end so we can hopefully get a proper reboot…?
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