probably because theres no pot to split ^^
Too bad people from the larger portion of the scene refuse to see it as such.
It seems pretty clear that AGE, for one, does not care about quality or responsibility.
And they bring a hammer down upon it. Until this week, there was no hammer available to stop the stAGEd shenanigans.
Players want to talk about building up the scene, and useful people work on making it happen, and then the players work to destroy those efforts by acting like life scrubs.
gg
All that happened way before this “tournament organizers implement anti-collusion rule” come out.
Once sponsors see this thread/article, they will talk to the players. My guess is before all this, sponsors did not care who in their group wins as long as one of the player with that sponsor wins. So if 2 AGE players are in GF, the sponsor won’t care if they sandbag since an AGE will win regardless who wins.
But soon all sponsors will see this, they will enforce these rules with their players. No sponsors want to make themselves look like idiots. Just wait and see things will turn around.
I wonder if y’all have forgotten this.
Outside of sponsors and money, there are other good reasons that collusion and having sham finals is bad.
Of course, now that money is coming in, the stakes are higher and we’re scrabbling to address an issue that should have been addressed a long tine ago.
I think that the anti-collusion rule, while having sensible intentions, is ultimately unenforceable. There’s really nothing stopping players from just pretending to play an honest match. Might as well just lock in team choices at the start of the tournament and prevent players from switching. You’d get the same outcome where players are forced to pick their stuff, and there’s a bit of strategy involved where players can’t rely on “pocket” characters to fight the bad matchups of their mains. You lose the counter-picking aspect, though.
The underlined bit is all that matters. At that point, people don’t care if you colluded and are splitting the pot or not. Just as long as it doesn’t make GF look like a sham.
Basic rule is this: save all the shady shit for AFTER the tournament when the cameras aren’t on you. But while you’re on stream, show some class, and do your best to represent the scene in the best possible light.
Hope you guys are listening to:
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http://www.twitch.tv/iplaywinner
or watch tonight’s archive, because it answers all concerns here.
The guy’s running Evo are us, and that’s why I love and support them.
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How about just playing the finals like a real match?
Would that be so hard?
No one’s stopping you from spltting the money; just treat the tourney with respect and fucking PLAY legit.
ukyo_rulz is based in Japan. So for him, being locked to one character/team in a tournament is most likely normal since that’s part of the Japanese format.
no one was trolling the grand finals of mvc2 at evo
that shit was crazy
Interesting thing to ponder. According to Flocker (during his interview with Gootecks), everything came about because Chris was salty over the brackets in Injustice being switched back and forth and carried that into UMvC3 grand finals where he was trolling (and Flocker was just playing along with his B team, not really aware that Chris was trolling). So if this is the case (Flocker had no idea and Chris was being a drama queen) who’s should be penalized, if any.
I don’t really care that much or get worked up if players aren’t picking their shit/playing their best, because I don’t think it’s all that feasible to call someone out just for making questionable choices during a match or picking something other than what they’re known for at that time (for example I know some of the teams Chris G used are actually his older teams) and there’s usually nothing on the line for me anyway.
However, if people really want to classify what it means to not under-perform or manipulate the outcome during top 32/16/finals or whatever, I think an easy way to put it is “to play as if you want to win for the people who would bet on you to win”. If you can convince a large majority that you’re playing like that, I think you’re good to go.
Unfortunately, and a lot of people may not agree with me here, I think in order to fairly call it out when a match is suspect, you’d need to implement some sort of voting from either a reasonable number of tournament judges or even the crowd where like if 80% agree that the match is a sham then the players will get penalized and anything less you’d have to let it rock.
Tournament judges would be pretty easy to do that with, but I dunno really know how you could get the crowd thing to work though. Clickers? Some sort of app? An added feature for SaltyBets or some shit? Lol I don’t fuckin’ know man…
That’s more destructive because then you give too much power to speculators and such to basically illegitimate a match should they choose to, as unlikely as it would be.
The rule is worded poorly but UltraDavid is working on a rewrite to make it more clear allegedly from his small talk with Ponder on twitter. This rule wasn’t put in place because everyone hates ChrisG’s Morridom or some shit. I, and many other people WANT to see MorriDoom at more tournaments and they want to see it found out and beaten if possible. The issue here is that the players are acting like 5 year-olds and making the rule more than what it is, especially since this rule has been at place in EVO for many years
Its nothing more than a mere precaution for the players to remember that grand finals is not some kind of casual game (thinking about it now i think spooky went a little overboard and should have waited longer for proof at the very least) and it is in fact the GRAND FINALS. What sponsors and the tournament organizers put money in to see. Who is the best in this area or who is the best at this game. I saddens me that such a simple concept can go over peoples heads.
Listen people who will probably vilify me for this post.
You aren’t doing any heavy lifting. You aren’t solving a companies financial crisis to save them from bankruptcy. You aren’t teaching kids, having their entire futures resting in your hands. You aren’t working day in and day out at a doctors office.
This isn’t back breaking work. This is a video game competition with a veeeeeeeery simple rule, to play like you are competing. Its an extremely simple concept. I know people are gonna say “well tournaments are about hanging out with fellow FG players” and that is true, but that doesn’t completely eclipse the tournament aspect of it. We would be going to conventions now wouldn’t we?
Now please, cut the bullshit and do the simplest thing in the world, and play seriously. There’s always gonna be casuals and such. While i myself am starting to question why its on the local level, doing that shit at majors where large sums of money are spent is a no-no and justifying it is just childish. It’s like a 5 year old justifying acting a fool at his kindergarten graduation on stage, and then complaining that it isn’t like their brothers high school graduation.
You are not Hollywood, you just happen to live in that apartment next to Universal studios. Please grow up. Maybe then Universal will hire you like you always wanted.
Q: Are they playing as if anything of importance is on the line?
A: Obviously not.
Open and shut case.
The most mind-boggling thing about this whole episode is that the offenders in question are incapable of realizing that simply acting like a grown adult is a win-win for every single party involved, themselves included. So little is being asked of them–something that shouldn’t even have to BE asked of them in the first place–and they act like they’re being victimized.
Well said.
I also realized that I didn’t state myself accurately. I didn’t mean to sound like -pot splitting- was destroying the activity, just obvious lackluster finals performances. Had to clarify. Another thing I’m curious about hearing is who this ‘sponsor’ everyone lost is. Is there also an official figure of what each winner of each respective game at Evo was?
I was planning on going and family stuff came up. Gonna try and make it to the next big things where MvC2 will be around. I also actually have a DC/DC stick and some jank Marvel mix disc, we gonna play eventually haha. I also haven’t been on PSN in like months or whatever, HDMI port died so I gotta lame out with 3-prong output. And Baseball is total buttcrack and you know it, don’t lie son.
I’ve seen finals in Melee and Tekken at majors where the grand finals were between chummy friends. They’d choose each others character and goof around in grand finals. Nobody wants to see this shit.
Many colluding players think that making it to finals feel justified to fuck around because they think they have earned the right after beating everyone else out. Furthermore, they don’t believe they owe the crowd anything