hum well…is just about opinion and experience gaming…
coz evryone don’t have the same opinion …
u can say guy vs cody…and guy win…
it’s all depand who playing the char…
i can easely pickr.mika and kill v-akuma… if akuma player (suck)
and mika player is good…u know what i mean…
so it’s all about experience and what u learn and what you seeng before …but doesn’t really what you seeng is what supose to be …
i base all this with people on same level. thats how tiers are established
didn’t apoc say v-sagat is now top tier after he talked to bas?
These are the tiers for my personally played characters.
1st tier : Sakura
2nd tier : Zangief, Cammy, Sagat, Dan, Rose
3rd tier : Ryu, Ken, Chun-li
4th tier : Birdie, Rolento, Sodom
hey sabre, can you give some advice about how guy is played aggressively? Usually when i play against, say, Ryu they just like to jump back and start throwing FBs. So i end up doing a lot of jumping up, walking back and forth and the occasional poke. Low strong for AA. But I can never really put him on the defensive or get him with a lot of poke strings. And I can’t seem to tag him with the bushin flip grab if he flips out after a low strong AA. So how does guy get the free grab after low strong AA?
As you can probly tell a3 is dead where i live.
For one, Guy has never… ever… EVER owned Cody. Ever. Most of his pokes are mid (bad point #1), His over head is slow (# 2), he crouching normals are decent, but far from enough to make up for the ones that are punishable unless from maximum range (#3). His run game is only viable with distance, which he wont get because cody zones so well and punishes him in the air (#4). His slide kick is extreamly punishable unless from a run because cody can just hop kick it similar to any shoto (I wont even count this because I said some of his low normals were punishable).
All you have really managed to explain to me was the obvious which I tried to say partially in my last post. He has a weak grou game, he can two in one into some punishing things but its still too inconsistant. How is he a rush down machine just because he has a run? Who really sits there and jumps on Guy’s roundhouse, seriously. There is no reason you should be jumping on guy much in A at all unless you are a newbie. Most characters beat him on the GROUND because his ground game lacks. He has simple bull dog tactics that try to bait you into jumping so he can force you to backtrack and give him space for his run game, simply put. If he cant either read who he is playing, or bait them, he cant win. Or rather, its very hard for him to. He has an impossibel time against priority abusers like chun and Gen because they will just poke him out of start up time on moves. His really good pokes arent useful unless they are counter hit, and again, you have to bait/read them to get it off. How can you base some ones intire game off of counter hits when people like Gen, Chun, Cody, Charlie, and hell… even Karin, will punish you just as badly off of ANYTHING. And they have a better wake up game and high low. I dont understand where you are coming from with that.
And Sadom is like I said, he is good, but its almost exclusively cercomstantial. Guy is better, I have seen people do him justice in v contrary to popular belief, and I have seen him beast in a. But most people who play him will even tell you, he is a novelty item. If they need to win against high level players they dont pick him unless for a spicific cercomstance. Otherwise is just for fun.
Kinda what he said…
Guy is fun as hell, and he can win sure. But even with all the stuff you mentioned, It’s not good enough IMO. He can’t VC (yes, I said it :)), Gief eats him, running games aren’t safe, and slide/forward are overrated. Slide is good from range, but easily punishable if avoided. You’re in bad shape if that happen to jump straight up when you do it. Forward is good for range and it hits stuff, but too slow to be used all the time. S.Strong is one of his best pokes IMO (but I’m just a run whore).
Not saying he’s bad. Just I don’t see him being the powerhouses that the other guys are.
Sagat is definitely good. Dunno about top tho. >shrugs<
Dogberry: Unless you AA c.strong is a counter-hit, you can’t combo anything after anyways. Except for a really quick hitting move (punch super ? :)). If you counterhit, and cancel your low strong directly into bushin grab, they won’t be able to flip. Free grab. Try strong bushin grab.
V-Sagat = equivallent vc damage to ryu, maybe a little more. He can zone better then nash and punish your even worse. I am not suprised that he is top tier. He is a monster, seriously. Only other char more intimidating to me is a mastered v-gief.
Gief in v-ism is fuckin super man… forget what anyone else tells you. I have had the otg vc put on me, that shit is very un cool. Just when you think you are safe “VC activate” and he comes flying across the screen to rape you during fireball recovery… scary.
-shivers-
wth vsodom doesnt get “beat” by the midtier chars. he’s at the top of the 2nd tier, almost top tier. in fact he only really outright loses to top tiers imo. and even those fights arent total scrapings.
wth vsodom mediocre lol. LOLOLOLOLOLOL. sorry i cant help but laugh. prowness obviously you’ve never seen eddie lee/chikyuu play vsodom in their prime. sup strong pokes, best slide in the game (hella safe), and 80% vc into infinite. lol. yeah he’s mediocre 
damn i just read that you thought guy was better than sodom too…anyone who plays a3 seriously knows outright that sodom is way better than guy. cmon bro. not even worth breaking it down.
Isn’t Karin high 2nd? Right under Nash and with Sodom?
-R
i play karin pretty religously…shes good, in 2nd tier yea but shes not quite on sodoms/nash’s level imo. she’s hella good, has fast walking speed, safe rekkas (if blocked) which lead to sakura-like ambiguous crossups if connected, some of the best throws in the game, has true antiair/otg customs, hell, she has guaranteed customs off a blocked move which are 100% FREE unless you alpha counter out, teleport away, or do a move that makes you airborne so you get counterhit and flip out.
she has decent crouch cancels from anywhere and after her CC, but…her customs dont hurt as much as the top tier, (tho she has hella good crouch cancels afterwards) she has no fb, so its hard for her to get in at times (especially against sim, ugh), and she cant build vism that well. practically all of the chars in the upper 2nd/top tier (sim doesnt count) can build meter pretty much for free at will by whiff throws, whereas karin cant build meter at all if she misses her CC’s, but like i said before she has guaranteed setups.
i wouldnt put karin quite at the top of 2nd…but she definetely almost is up there imo. she can put up a good fight against alot of the cast, i <3 her
hrm…just read your post mastermao about vega.
vega is not good against sim. once sim gets a lead on vega he can’t do jack shit or get in at all. his vc’s dont hurt enough, and he gets outprioritized hella bad.
vs gief, it’s not too bad until the gief player knows how to kattobi cancel. then you eat high damage vc for free. unless you can do his true antiair custom (stand short flipkick, b+rh, flipkick, etc) which is hella hella hella hard to do. still a uphill battle for vega tho, but he has some options at least, he can practically run away the whole match without vega being able to do shit.
sakura, he doesnt beat at all either. just cause i was able to beat temujin multiple times against his sak does not mean vega beats sakura. against sak player with good footsies, vega gets shut down hella hard. trust me on this one, you should watch how choi/ricky sakura plays this fight, i never pick vega against them, its too fucking hard.
akuma. do i really need to break this down? he dies to akuma super free. like 9-1, nope can’t do shit at all. one of the worst matchups in the game imo. lol he cant even get around random short hurricanes that well. lolol.
Art,
I’m a big fan of Karin’s ever since I saw a Japanese guy just destroy with her. I dunno about meter building (He never missed his VC, so he always cc’d for meter). She seems pretty solid, but I have no idea how to play her and there’s very little info other than like, one of her custom’s and almost no set ups… Could you pm me and maybe give me some info? I’d really appreciate it.
-R
wth, how is Balrog weak? I’m offended:P It seems to me that every match is winnable for him aside from Chun Li which I’ve won more than lost(but playing Chun and deductive reasoning makes it obvious that she rapes him even if most don’t understand how)? How is Rog low at all? I’d like to know what ppl think his losing matches are. I think ppl just don’t wanna think about him because if they did he wouldn’t be so low. He rapes half of the characters listed higher than him.
V-Vega is definately up there to.
I just don’t get opinions sometimes(shrug).
Gotta agree with Sabin on V-Sodom too. Unless you have a command reversal his vcs are so safe that he can randomly activate and of course, as Sabin mentioned, if he hits you…
Aside from 5 top characters, it’s all a blur, I think. The game looks a lot more balanced after years of breaking down.
Apoc.
hehehhe well Thx arturo for the hints but…i can do the anti air i can pull it out like at least 8 on 10…mostly it take like 60% damage or abit more if u get it all right…and i also linked to an infinite…but is true v-vega again sim is hella hard once sim take the lead…coz is hard to give some damage to sim …and vc doesn hurt at all…coz of sim teleport…
again v-sodom…i thin is pretty fair thought…sodom v-combos hurt hella bad…but i think vega still ahve a better range n poke on him…also if u keep on jumping alot …katobi cancel wouldn’t be that scary …and yea if u can pull out your anti air that will be n extra point …coz that hurt alot and allowed you to linked to the infinite…
when i play my first tourney again Eddy lee…my vega wasn’t good like now…all i do is vc and roll slide roll… and i beat him 2-1…but lost to he’s vega coz i have no experience at all again miror match …but i know at that time eddy lee v-sodom was a good v-sodom… and i also beat B-l-t he take chun and gief …Hella good gief… our match was close but at the end i win:) but i am shure if i play them now…it will be diferent…i have learn alot… teh game play…vega counters hit …and i can perform teh anti air like i said mostly 8 out of 10…whcih lead me to crouch cancel and infinite …
v-sakura and v-vega …yea is a hard ass match i agree…
akuma and v-vega …i would say 7-3 fo akuma …
but it’s all about how u play …but in both way if u can perform the anti air …you ahve more chance of winning…
hehe well i didn’t get the chance to play hehe since the last time we met at ecc…i only play eddy lee justin wong …and alot more hehehe…u saw the match me and justin???
i put him in the loser bracket hehehe crazy match hahaa…
he was mad at me thgouth hahahahah!
V-Sodom is crazy good. Normals are pretty insane, [hence] good poke strings, good anti-air, great VCs, simple high-damage combos, good pokes, reversal moves are actually useful…comboable taunt…
I think A-Ryu is under-rated. Best super in the game to have against V, Seems to do somewhat better than V-Ryu in a couple matches (ie Chun Li) because his footsie game is more damaging. Just thoughts.
Well fireball is a free Bushin Throw or jumpin…
Mess around with run cancels. Like close standing SP, close standing FP xx Run with SK, cancel (or just c.SP). Like immediately cannceled…like don’t even hit the button twice. Do fireball with Short, and then move your fingers to another kick button all in one swipe (you can cancel the Short run with any button). If you don’t cancel quick enough, you’ll get the auto stop that happens when you run to close to an opponent. THAT is very punishable. The canceled Short run while the opponent is in heavy blockstun is much less so, if at all. Use your imagination from there.
If the flip doesn’t come out after the crouching Strong, it’s because you either canceled it to late, or did the Strong to early. If you can’t get the actual throw, that’s different.
My japanese friend gives his rank
S V-AKUMA, ZV-DHALSIM, V-SAKURA,
A V-CODY, V-KARIN, V-ZANGIEF, V-SODOM, V-SAGAT
B V-RYU, V-VEGA, V-CHARLIE, V-KEN, V-CHUNLI
C V-JUNI, Z-ROSE, Z-GEN, ZV-ROLENTO, Z-GAY, V-CAMMY, Z-BISON
D DAN, MIKA, BLANKA, JURI, BALROG, BIRDIE, HONDA, ADON
check the thread here
Best character in the game bar none!
I dunno its hard to rank overall tiers, almost any character in the game can win decent amounts of matches, it seems like 5 or 6 characters get far more wins than the others while about 3 characters are thought of as weak because either they are a joke character or are just a clone of another character.
If there were a tier system for SFA3 it’d prolly be a rating system rather than a strict tiering system, the characters strengths are too subtle. At least after the top characters anyway.
And can someone tell me who rapes Chun-Li? Theres a guy at my arcade who uses Chun-Li in all the SF games and almost never loses in SFA3 with her.
Oh yeah, and did any SF2:HF or SSF2X Honda players ever try out SFA3 Honda? I was just wondering what they thought of him, I’ve been playing him for a month or two now, I’m still trying to get the hang of the wide variety of air normals he can use. His poke strings are nice, but his slow recovery and movement force you to keep pressure on to keep from showing any openings.
This is ganna sound very vague and maybe even stupid, but the trick to beating chun li is knowing how to play against her. Seriously.
She has good walking speed and priority, so you shouldnt try to play against her with a character that doesnt present similar qualities or you will find yourself being counter hit… alot. As far as characters that I personally feel beat her? Obviously the top tier crew (sim, sakura, gouki, etc…) with the exception of gief. A few others like vryu, vcody, sometimes gen, also, vsagat outranges her pretty well so long as he doesnt get cornered… however, this all suggests that Chun is in a. If she is in v none of this counts. I honestly feel that vchun is at the very least in the top tier some where, with only a few hard matchups from the higher characters in the game.
While this probably doesnt help much, its just my 2 cents.