Lol, I think it’s still going pretty well, haven’t seen a lot sagats.
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Please don’t tell me I just read “Stay in the air against Makoto.” that’s a fricken death warrant. She’ll fukikage you in the face, nads, pretty much anywhere.
I played an excellent Mak the other day and could do absolutely fuck all against her.
Just my 2 cents.
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lawl.
Makoto.
smh.
@ OP whats the total number of matches in Vanilla compared to Super?
My guess is that you played more matches in vanilla and that would contribute to the lower numbers.
Also, don’t kick it while lying.
Bull shit
By stay in the air, I mean just stay away from her command grab and dash punch. Theres nothing left with those tools out of the picture.
Nah constantly jumping in her face wont work. Izuna loops in the corner dont work. But she is wrong about not being able to do nothing. Spacing is everything in this match up. you must hit with the tip of all your moves. timming is important because it feels like Makoto’s normals command a lot of active frames.
Would you constantly jump at any character in this game? (Well maybe Bison)
Normal air Izuna claw attacks don’t work against any decent player, so I litterally mean stay in the air jump away and punish. I mean, it’s scrubby, but that’s what this game is some times, some of these characters should never have been put into the same game together.
What do you mean?
sigh I’m aware that you can do stuff against her. But with lack of experience in the matchup doesn’t exactly help me formulate ways of getting around it. So kindly don’t tell me my opinion is bullshit I’d greatly appreciate it.
Honestly…why would you jump at Bison? His stRH is a godsend of antiairs.
"Stay away, jump in the air and punish."
That’s not scrubby, that’s being smart in some cases.
With Makoto it’s a case of keep her out, I’m aware but at the time it was finding stuff to do it with, because when she’s in there, it’s hard for Vega to kick her back out when you’re cornered.
Bison vs Vega, you have to be aggressive because of his long range, forward dash, throw and overall damage potential. It’s almost like a vega vega mirror match, with the main difference being on of Bison’s only weaknesses, his anti airs.
The range on his kick is very unreliable and easy to pass, so most of them try to use the medium punch air combo, if he’s up their, Vega’s stardust drop beats anything that he has in the air, if he uses standing fierce, you’ll probably jump over it or at the very least trade.
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If any character corners Vega, you have to get out of there. Makoto is no different, its just that makoto players have learned how to capitallize in those situations. That’s why I say jump around and stay out of that situation and there is nothing that she can do against you.
So kindly don’t step in to the thread and politely call my opinion bullshit, especially when your opinion is way off base.
Actually, Bisons st.RH is not even that great as AA. It’s good for stuffing jump outs, but trades often or whiffs completely at a closer range, in which case Bison would have to resort to his superslow cr.hp, which is especially tough to use against Vega’s fast jump.
Doesn’t mean you can jump in on him all day though.
Obertor, I’m not your mother or anything but please don’t call anyone’s opinion “bullshit”. That’s impolite and makes you look like an ass. Especially if your own advice isn’t too thought-through either. I could spend some 30 minutes on a lengthy post and tell you why any decent Mak would rape your ass with those strategies you’re recommending.
He was an ass first. “Please don’t tell me taht I just read…” An asshole comment is still an asshole comment whether it’s obvious or not.
Anyway, please spend 20 seconds and give me 1 reason why just staying away from makoto isnt goign to work.
My goodness, first, I’m a she.
Second. I think that’s the first time since elementary school I’ve heard the “THEY DID IT FIRST!” argument.
Grow up and actually talk to people in a sensible manner.
Seriously, some people struggle against matches more than others. Example, I find Blanka EASY with Bison, my other hald who mains Bison cannot even touch one.
Makoto can get in on you and inflict a lot of damage, jumping around you’ll recieve a fukikage in the face.
You have to plan it out and watch what you’re doing.
i meant izuna trap doesnt work. ever. and scrubby what is that? People throw that word out way to much.
she can focus dash up in your face.
she can do insta air axe kick in your face to punish your pokes. (im assuming like most vegas you use cr.mp more than you should)
she can jump in on you.
she can counter most of you go to pokes pushing you back into the corner.
that took me 5 secs.
Its the internet. people will never ever be polite or “grow up”.
tell your other half he needs more scissors.
You always plan out what you’re doing when playing a fighting game…
Stay in the air and out of range of her throw, very simple and it works. If you don’t believe me, thats fine, but you won’t get fukikage in the face because Fukikage is basically just a high damaging crouching fieirce, it has no range, you never want to jump directly at anyone in this game.
So yeah, don’t use backhanded comments, and you won’t warrant honest front handded comments.
@ Ped, you just listed off things that every character can do, so obviously your plan going into the fight is to avoid those things.
Also, I find it funny that after one honest comment Im called rude, when on this very board I’ve been called polite many times. That is the internet way, so I"m not blaming you, it just is what it is.
If I were on your side of things, I would be thinking and saying the same things.
I agree, Pai was behaving like an idiot first, but that’s no reason for you to further offend her. Those are situations where you’re supposed to stay calm and refrain from shooting back. Unless you want a flamewar.
This is no place to discuss any matchup relevant stuff, tbh. You’ll also find that vague tips like yours get misunderstood pretty easily.
You got a point.
I did, don’t worry about that. Pretty much went through the entire shebang on the weekend just to get it down, been trying to teach him to crlkx3 Scissors too XD It’s going well so I’m happy in that respect.
Main person I’m having problems with at the moment is Guy, I know I probably shouldn’t, but I just need to learn my spacing because I keep going “Okay…my poke just came up short…urgh, oh yeah, he has a lanky hitbox.”
Edit: And yeah, I did act like an idiot first, I’ll hold my hands up to that.
only 1 of my things on that list everyone can do to you…
1 on my list is very character specific
1 of them 3 characters including makoto can do to you all day
1 of them 2 charactes can use it effectevly against your pokes.
more cr.mk less cr.mp/lp and CH
headdesk and there are times like these I go “Why didn’t I try that before?” @_@
Thank you though 
Damnit!
She used the “EX be the bigger man” before I did!
I appologize, I guess I’ve been watching too much DSP lately. Emulating his SF tactics = good (if you’re still learning, he is actually a good player) but emulating his people skills, not good.
On Makoto, whatever you say.