All I know is Alpha 2, and that’s half assed
Alpha and Alpha 2 Gold to fill in. Corrections please on the tiers as of now. I wont edit unless there’s at least two others that agree with it.
Alpha:
Top:
Guy, Ken, Charlie, Akuma
Mid:
Bottom
Alpha 2:
Alpha 2 Gold:
Top
Middle
Bottom
Alpha 3 (two lists, both seem right)
help me fill in the rest… keep this shit bumped, so we all have it for reference… good idea? maybe sticky it? I’ll edit it so the top post is the tiers…
A3 top, last I can think of was
A-sim
V-Ryu
V-Akuma
V-Sakura
X-Rolento
V-Gief
could be way off…I think that’s how I remember it though.
A2 was like Ken, Ryu, Rose A1 Guy was god-tier and everyone else was under himif I remember right, again, long time ago:confused:
why do people keep saying guy was god tier in A1, maybe if he had a regular jump, or stand roundhouse comboed from all ranges of after a stand mp. But it doesnt. Its not like you died from getting hit once by him. It had a to be a good hit starting hit to do that. Now saying he killed you in 2 combos ill take that. But the theory he killed you if he hit you once is totaly false… Everyone seems to forget how BS ken, rose, sodom, and akuma were as well. Not like guy raped the whole cast for free to any exstent at all.
fighitng good Guy players back then they’d get one good hit and its redizzy redizzy ggpo. maybe Im just recalling my hatred of him back then but I remember him destroying everyone with little difficulty. If Im wrong someone please tell me, Id be curious to see a bad matchup for guy in a1 I never saw it when the game was alive (which, to be honest, it never really was here in the US)
I remember that Ken was a monster in A1 with Guy and Charlie a close second and third.
I’m pretty sure the tiers for A3 are generally regarded as:
Upper Mid:
V-Sagat
V-Charlie
V-Karin
V-Sodom
V-Chun Li
V-Vega (claw)
Mid:
V-Cody
V-Rolento
V-Ryu
A/X-Chun Li
A-Guy
A-Gen
A-M.Bison (cape)
V-Juni
Lower Mid:
V/A-Rose
V-R.Mika
V/A-Ken
V-E.Honda
A-Balrog (boxer)
Low:
V-Adon
V/A-Cammy
A-Blanka
Bottom:
V-Juli
V/A-Birdie
V-Dan
dialupsucky: you must have not played any guy players back in the a1 days. it was truly some major bs. he can land redizzies rather easily, and its all chain combos for the most part, not much timing needed.
a3 solid top 4 in no particular order:
a-sim
v-gief
v-akuma
v-sakura
its anyones game in the tier list rankings after that. those 4 have been solid top 4 for years
A2 top tier was considered big four, then Sakura/Gief/Rolento… Sagat must be there somewhere. Sodom is fine. I think most everyone else is playable… (but probably better in A2/3/etc) i dunno.
Xenozip. : I saw Ehonda and thought “WTF??” and then looked at everyone beneath. :lol: but seriously… on the same level as rolento? Granted, I don’t know much about him at all, so what do i know. I have also never seen a good honda player. Rarer than adamantium it seems.
But what DOES he have? I can’t think of anything that makes him more dominating than Rose/Ken/Mika/Clones/etc. It can’t be just VC right?
I thought Chun’s VC’s were generally regarded as crap? Or perhaps it’s A-Chun = V-Chun more or less. Guess it’s debatable.
umm I did, and I also played guy myself. Its not like guy hits you with a duck short, and your automaticly dead. He needs to start with a good jump in attack to dizzy. Now all agree 2 combos and he dizzys you easily cuz even the duck short, stand strong, roundhouse, foward, slide does good dizzy. But that doesnt dizzy in one hit, he needs that jump in. Maybe if guy had a regular jump or something and if he acctualy hit a duck short from any range(which you cant do ethier since the roundhouse wont combo after the mp then if your start it far away)then hed be this supposed god tier or bs.
plus akuma, ken, rose, sodom were all really good in that game to.
Plus anyway if you want to go theory figther techinquly any time rose had a level 1 super if she hit you with a attack medium level or above you died. Granted yes its harder then guys dizzy combos but even more bs if you ask me. Duck strong/foward/fierce what have you, freinds super then slide shit. Retarded. Again takes more timeing then guys shit, but still dum. Even if you fucked up and only got a few reps its still easily half life at least. And if she ever hit you once period with a level 3 you were basicly dead as well, level 1 freinds, level 2 fireball super. Depending on how close you were you could get up to 90% life with stupid shit like that. And then just do her unblockable after that to kill them. Not like they can exactly reversal since you have time to block in time if they even tried to. Or if you didnt want to do that you could always do after the level 1 freinds, a few slides, then link the level 2 fireball super. Boom instantly dead.
shes retarded.
Anyway yea I duno there was a lot of stupid shit in the game… I dont see any reason why guy would get a tier to himself with as other shit that characters had.
Right, keep in mind these rankings aren’t based on VC’s alone. His BnB VC’s are actually pretty weak and his OTG stuff is average, but he is a fairly solid character. It’s the over-all character that just happens to do really well.
His hundred hands are great for pressure and chip, his ground normals are pretty buff (though not on the same level as the upper mids and top tiers), he has consistant anti-air and a very consistant anti-air VC, and he has a fairly low jump arc. He’s good at guard breaking and guard crushing. V-ism activations on the ground and in the air really give him a lot of options and way more opportunities to both do damage and avoid it, and his VC’s all happen to be really really easy to execute, which is why he’s better off in V-ism, imo.
As far as being Rolento-level, ehhhh… I just can’t put Rol on the same level as those other mids, but then he’s definitely above the lower mids. And it’s the same with Honda – he’s not really on the same level as the mids, but definitely “above the rest”.
Rol and Honda are just kind of in limbo I guess.
Oops I put Chun in the wrong place, but…
V-Chun doesn’t really have a ground mid-screen VC or a very good corner VC, but if you can crouch cancel consistantly then she has a retardedly easy and consistant anti-air that goes right into her inf CC. She also has a very deadly midscreen unblockable that goes strait into her inf. CC. and is easy to set up, though it’s a bit more difficult to execute. Air to air counter hits also lead to her inf. CC and she just happens to have some absurdly good air normals. Add the fact that her ground normals are really good and you have yourself a turtle whore (gasp, Chun turtles?).
Technically all she really ever needs is 50% meter and she can be pretty scary in the right hands.
Last I checked, A2 went like:
Top: Ken, Ryu, Chun-li, Rose
High: Sakura, Rolento, Zangief
Mid: Sagat, Charlie, Sodom, Guy, Akuma, M.Bison, Adon, Dhalsim
Low: Gen, Dan
Bottom: Birdie
A1 had some nice ideas, but they were implemented roughly. Chains + high damage is a no no (plus, we weren’t ready for universal chains back then; I think they would go over better now though). Being able to recovery roll out of everything was incredibly stupid. The game was slow and felt a bit stiff. It was just unrefined. And this is before you get to stupid stuff like Guy and Ken’s BS. Akuma had to be up there too since he was only slightly toned down from his ST version. BUt what’s this about Bison sucking in A1? He was fast, his specials were better, his supers did ridiculous damage (didn’t L3 Psyco Crusher do something like 70% damage?), and in at least one version he could have more than on projectile on screen. I can’t see him being anything less than second tier.
He can’t win with one low strong so I guess he isn’t top tier? whaaa? Guy was easily the top of the top in A1 he had plenty of insane combos that did not require a jump in. That is not theory fighter thats from hanging out in arcades back in the day and actually playing A1. I played Sagat if anyone is curious.
This list is dead on. I’d add Evil Ryu to the top tier list too but he plays pretty much the same as regular Ryu.
Sakura is the equivalent of cvs2 c-ken. ambiguous crossup, high stun damage but has trouble getting in on some characters.
V-Chun Li in new ranking status shocker
S-rank:
V-Akuma
A/V-Dhalsim
A?-rank:
V-Sakura
A-rank:
V-Chun Li
V-Sagat
V-Zangief
V-Charlie
V-Sodom
V-Karin
V-Claw
B-rank:
V-Cody
V-Rolento
V-Ryu
A-Guy
A-Gen
A-Dictator
V-Juni
C-rank:
A/V-Rose
V-Cammy
A-Blanka
V/A-Ken
V/A-Mika
D-rank:
V/A-Birdie
A/V-Adon
A/V-Honda
V-Juli
A-Boxer
E-rank:
V-Dan
Evil Ryu also had an infinite that only worked from one side… I forget which I think player 1 side. huh, does that still work in HSFZ?
A-rank:
V-Chun Li
I can believe that after playing Justins v-chunli in namco Nottingham quiet a few times.
His development of that character is the sole reason behind her tier placing. Stomp cancel-> VC = new level of potency for Chun.
Learn to read jackass. I said its not like guys killing you off a duck short. Not strong retard. And yea he did have good combos with out a jump in. But my argument was he doesnt kill you instantly from one combo with out that jump in. So hes no more BS then any of those other characters I listed. Nor should he be god teir or in his own broken teir. Unless you know of a dizzy combo from duck short, or duck strong. Anyway yea learn to read genius.
A DUCK SHORT NOT A DUCK STRONG??? FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WAS I THINKING??? NOW THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD IS SPINNING OFF ITS FUCKING AXIS! WE’RE ALL DEAD!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!
Christ alive does it really matter? Can Nak in CVS1 kill you with one move? or one combo? no, she kills you because she is just better in that engine then everyone else. Same with Guy, he is better, easier to play and has 0 match-ups that would give any good Guy players much trouble.