Tiers for non-fighting games?

Classic Fighting Games Other Games
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SMB3 power ups

God

Hammer Bros Suit - Just too good. So many things you can do with it.
“P” Wing - Gdlk, just fly over the level and be done.
Warp Flute - Stage Hopping if you’re in a hurry…

Tops

Bear Suit - This ones pretty good. I think they extend the P time if you land and rejump.
Star - Invincibility!
Cloud - Skip a level. I can’t tell you how many of these I saved up for most stages in 7 and that fucking castle in 8.
Leaf - Well, it’s not the Bear Suit but it’s useful at times.

Mid

Toad - He jumps high, but it’s pretty crappy. I only use it for underwater levels,
Song Note - Disable the Scavengers. This really isn’t good because you get items for beating them! And most of the time they’re pretty good…only one level should this thing be used on.
Flower - Standard. Does allow Fire power but is constantly overlooked for better powerups.
Mushroom - Standard. Allows big, nothing special…

Low

Anchor - This is shit. You don’t want the ship flying away anyway so why not beat it the first time?

842

“Bear Suit”?!

Everybody knows it’s the TANUKI suit.

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Whatever, results are what matters. Not names.

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Alright, considering its one of the most well-known rpgs of all-time, someone has most likely done a tier list for Chrono Trigger on this topic. But, I personally haven’t seen one and it doesn’t hurt to do another if it has already happened.

Top Tier

Crono - High attack power, weapons with awesome extra bonus effects like crazy high critical hit rates, very good magic, throw in a random life spell, and dual and triple techs with many other characters galore. And he’s fast as hell. The only thing he lacks is a healing spell but he’s a part of many dual tech group healing spells.

High Tier

Lucca - Has a very good assortment of multi-enemy fire attacks on her own without needing a dual tech. But she sure has plenty of excellent high damage elemental attacks with everybody, specificly Marle. Gets insanely good equipment early on in the game due to Taban making armor for her. Magic defense is fantastic. Low physical attack power and slow character.

Robo - Excellent physical attack techs and yet again tons of combinations with many other characters to destroy bosses. They say he lacks magic but, they lied, he can cure one character and the whole party just by himself. Many times in this game, his attack power is higher than Crono and even capable of doing higher damage at certain parts. Slowest character and low magic defense, but that can be fixed.

Frog - Kinda like a slightly worser Crono but kinda makes up for it with his healing spells. Also has more multiple enemy dual techs than Crono. Low magic point usage with only 2 of his single techs using more than 5 magic points. Fast character too. Solid character with the only real problem being Frog Squash, his ultimate single tech spell, only doing large damage when he has low health.

Ayla - Lightning fast, I believe she’s the fastest character in the game, faster than Crono. Her fists have a very high critical hit rate. Since none of her attacks are elemental and mainly physical, she does large damage to most enemies regardless of their elemental attributes. Charm is excellent since many enemies have excellent items to steal from and every item is possible for stealing eventually.

Magus - Best magic in the game. Has all the level 2 elemental single tech spells every other character has and does more damage than everyone else. Has no dual techs but makes up for it by having multi-enemy magic pretty much just as power as many multi-enemy dual techs requiring about as much mp he uses. Somewhat weak physical attacker.

Mid Tier

Marle - Attack power might be low but certainly capable. Is a part of many excellent high damage elemental dual techs. Has a weapon that stops an enemy. Becomes a big asset to eliminating enemies in many dungeons (most notable early on is her and Frog’s Ice Water attack nearly just demolishing most large enemy group battles in one shot). The biggest healer with the most healing combinations. Weakest character though because shes the lowest damage inflictor at the end of the game and by that time Frog and Robo can both heal the party on their own plus do more damage.

Every character is good in this game really. Theres no such thing as low tier. You can’t say Marle is a “bad” character, the other ones are just better.

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Apparently you didn’t bother to see all the discussion for Chrono Trigger on the very first page…

846

Yes, this one.

I like how Marle (dead, to boost Magus) is above Marle (alive). :lol:

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Captain Commando:

Top:
Captain Commando: Good damage, easy-to-use. His dash kick has awesome priority, and his jump attacks are both very good. His combo finisher helps clear out enemies quickly since he kicks twice, knocking down any enemies you missed the first time around. His only disadvantage to Mack is in his range.

Mack(mummy): Awesome range and safe attacks give him a lot of use. He loses out to Cap Com on damage, but has better range. His other slight disadvantage is that his non-dash jump attack hits a little too high, making it a bit risky.

Mid Tier:
Baby: His damage is the best out there, but his laggy attacks tend to screw him over against large groups. He’s OK, but you need to keep moving to keep enemies out.

Bottom:
Ginzu(Ninja): Supposedly the speed-demon, his sword combos are slow and hard to hit with, and he lacks priority in some of his attacks. His saving graces are a good jump kick and his ability to use shurikens.

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I’ll do Deus Ex Augs:

IMO (biased by prefer to play the game without killing anyone)
Top:
Spy Drone- A mobile EMP grenade? Too good.
Cloak- Avoid combat like whoa.
Power Recirculator- Stay cloaked longer!

Upper Mid:
Speed Enhancement- Useful for escape and you can fall from great heights with little trouble.
Microfibral Muscle- Moving stuff is surprisingly good.

Mid:
Combat Strength + Baton = awesome
Regeneration- Good for health, but you shouldn’t need to use it much if you play the game correctly
Aqua Lung- self explanatory, useful around water

Lower Mid:
Radar Transparency- It’s okay, but Cameras are avoidable and an EMP grenades take care of robots.
Run Silent- Cloak + Speed is better.
Vision Enhancement- Good for seeing patrol patterns, but after playing through the game again, it isn’t needed.

Low:
Environmental Resistance- Just use a hazmat suit!
Synthetic Heart- Not needed at all
Targeting- Bleh, Shock Prod is good as is.
Energy Shield- Stupid. You can just avoid combat.
EMP Shield- See above
Aggressive Defense System- See above
Ballistic Protection- See above

Best RPGs ever.

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Deus Ex tiers? Please.

Regeneration + Speed Enhancement = You run through the whole game maximum speed, never die. Fastest victory possible. No need to mess around with EMP or cloak or that stuff.

God Tier

Speed Enhancement
Regeneration
Synthetic Heart (to boost the above effects even more)

Who Cares Tier

Everything else

-------------------WEAPON TIERS-----------------------
God Tier:
GEP Gun - Blows apart everything
Dragontooth - Insta-kill melee.

Top Tier:
Fully modded pistol - Tons of ammo to be found and kills instantly with headshot.

Low Tier:
Everything else - You find so little ammo for anything else in this game…

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Someone needs to do a Tier Listing for Suikoden 5…no, not ALL of the playable characters, just like the Top 10 best characters in Suikoden 5.

I would make a Top 10 myself, however, I have to max everyone out first before I make such a judgement. However, from what I can get, so far, these are a the Four characters that I would put in the Top 10.

Cathari - She can be bid as the #1 Best Character in Suikoden 5, simply because she gets excellent SS-Grades and the fastest character in the game, and she has arguably one of the best, if not the best luck, and arguably the strongest character in the game as well. She’s always the first to strike, and she does excellent damage, many times for criticals. That to me, makes her a complete powerhouse in pratically almost all categories.

Richard - I feel he’s up in the Top 10, because he has arguably the best evasion in the game, so he dodges and better yet, he counters like crazy. He also does excellent damage with many criticals + he does multiple hits quite consistently. He’s an excellent character to put at point, simply because of his evasion and countering abilities. He also has very good Grades.

Georg - Another character that I feel is one of the best in the game, simply due to him being a powerhouse as well. His stats, are well above normal, and he has extremely high skill all the while dealing out excellent criticals. My only serious beef with him, is that he leaves so damn much throughout the game that it’s just annoying. Otherwise, he’s an excellent character.

Zerase - She is a monster in this game, her Star Rune is just way too good, and it dishes out tremendous damage. She can be arguably the most powerful magic caster within Suikoden 5. Only weakness is that she’s got poor hp.

That’s the only four I can think off the top of my head so far, however I Don’t have them ranked, besides Cathari, whom I feel is the best in the game.

Any other thoughts or contributions from others would be great as well :wgrin:

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Stats are not everything. What holds Cathari back is that she can only hit once (so her through-the-roof-speed stat is not that important), and she only has 2 rune slots (smaller damage multiplier, 3 rune slot characters get Double-Edged+Boost+Power). What somewhat saves her is her incredibly high crit/double-crit ratio due to her stats. She has way too low magic defense though, so you actually have to think twice before taking her into the final boss battle (or any boss battle if you can’t kill it in 1 turn).

Best character is Miakis, no doubt about it. Very good stats for multiple and critical hits, 3 free rune slots (which she has available from the moment you get her), and she can hit up to 5 times in a row (which is the max number in the game). Doesn’t get much better than that.

Imo there are 8 characters that stand out in terms of overall damage output:

SS: Miakis
S: Gavaya, Norma
A+: Kyle, Nakula, Nick
A: Lyon, Mathias

I’m not sure where Richard stands, it all depends on if he can score multiple and critical hits when using his command rune, otherwise he’s limited because he only has 1 free rune slot (he would still be the best 1 slot character though).

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I see someone requesting a Suikoden 5 tier list. I could do that one day but I’ve only finished the game once so far and its impossible to do a tier list for a Suikoden on one playthrough given the amount of playable characters.

But, I did do a search and nobody has done a Suikoden 2 tier list yet. Since Suikoden 2 is my favorite rpg of all-time, I’ll do one.

Ok, just one quickie. This is A LOT of characters right here. So, a LOT of room for opinions. Feel free to comment and all but if you get offended by it a tier list some Suikoden 2 fan did on a topic in a Street Fighter forum, especially with the not so serious and lighthearted nature of this topic as it is, you’re a weirdo. So, lets not get any feelings hurt, unlike the forums at gamefaqs.com, heh. And of course, with this many characters, it can only be a very general tier list, not super concrete.

Top Tier

Riou Genkaku
Mcdohl
Pesmerga

High Tier

Georg Prime
Mazus
Flik
Gijimu (lower part)
Humphrey
Long Chan Chan
Nanami (hate using her, but her speed expedites your party with spark rune equipped)
Oulan
Rina
Tengaar (lower part)
Valeria
Viktor
Wakaba
Zamza (lower part)

Mid Tier

Anita (higher part)
Amada (lower part)
Ayda
Bob (See note #1)
Camus (higher part)
Clive (higher part)
Eilie (higher part)
Futch
Genshu
Hanna (lower part)
Hauser
Hix (lower part)
Hoi (See note #2)
Kahn
Karen
Kasumi
Killey (See note #3)
Kinnison (helpful at the point you don’t have too many characters, especially with Shiro)
Lo Wen
Lorelai
Luc (higher part)
Miklotov
Mondo
Rikimaru
Sheena
Shiro
Shin (lower part)
Sid (lower part)
Sierra
Simone
Stallion (See Note #4)
Tai Ho
Tomo
Tsai (See Note #5)
Viki (lower part)
Vincent (lower part)

Low Tier

Abizboah
Badeaux
Bolgan
Chaco
Feather
Freed Y
Gabocha
Gadget
Gantetsu
Gengen
Hai Yo (but his cooking minigame totally rules and is very useful in the game for healing and even reviving items during battle)
Koyu
Meg
Millie
The 5 Mu’s
Nina
Sasuke
Sigfried
Tuta
Yoshino

Note 1 - From what I read, when he uses his animal rune whatever its called and has fury, double strike, or double beat rune, he does extreme damage making him very useful for boss battles. But I only did tiers based on what I tested myself and I’ve used him like that.
Note 2 - stats suck but EXTREMELY useful with technique money I used often to get money, used him more than half of the other characters and mid tier because of this
Note 3 - Supposedly theres a combination of runes you equip him with that makes him the most damaging character in the game, again, I haven’t tested that.
Note 4 - Stats are a little low, but very helpful from the walk to rockaxe and back to Muse. Extremely helpful for trying to get the double beat runes from the random battles in the overworld around muse area.
Note 5 - Stats are lower than Tomo but at the point he joins your party, he’s helpful with the enemies you have at that point. Used him more than Tomo when you get her later in the game.
Also, IMO, many games shouldn’t bother with a low tier if all the characters are good. Such as Chrono Trigger, theres no low tier character in that game. I use Marle more in that game than I do most of the characters in my mid tier list of FF5.

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Not only have Suikoden 2 tiers been in this topic before, they have been done MORE THAN ONCE.

Not that I’m blaming you because the search engine actually doesn’t work at all in a thread this old and vast.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=2674550&postcount=205

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=2918397&postcount=313

Personally though, I would take that chart with a grain of salt.
Undeniably the Double Beat Rune set-up is the most powerful strategy in S2, but I believe that chart overlooked a lot of important character traits, like Unite attacks/unique equipment/rune affinities etc.
For example, LC Chan and Wakaba are rated to be average because of their lack of open rune slots but their Unite attack is by far the best in the game and more than makes up for it.

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Contra tiers

  1. Spread
  2. Laser
  3. Machine Gun
  4. Fireball
  5. Regular

Super C tiers:

  1. Spread
  2. Fireball
  3. Laser
  4. Machine Gun
  5. Regular

Contra III tiers

  1. Crusher
  2. Laser
  3. Spread/FlameThrower/Homing
  4. Regular
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I do like that chart. But, its not a tier list, its a nice chart though. I’m gonna try some of that on my next playthrough. It took ALL the stats into account, but thats the problem, if a character like Humphrey where his speed, magic, and rune slot quantity is completely irrelevant due to the type of character he is, he loses massive points for things that doesn’t matter with him at all.

Also, I do a tier list based on many other things including how helpful characters are in many parts of the game, how helpful they are in getting certain items in battle, how helpful they are with getting money, how good they are with clearing random battles, magic points, whether the type of stats would matter or not for any character.

So, its a nice chart, I like it and give lots of credit to the creator. But, its by no means of the imagination a tier list, IMO.

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It’s all about the damage, folks :wgrin:

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Hmm, actually, taking a closer look at the list…

Killey seems like a really mediocre average character. He seems to have a highest score because he has B’s in every stat, just decent in everything. And 3 rune slots. Riou has 3 rune slots also but only included 2 due to one of them having one of the best runes in the game, his bright shield rune. Riou’s stats completely nerf Killey’s stats big time. Probably the most obvious discrepency in the chart. One character completely has much higher stats in every area and has 3 rune slots himself. But because one rune slot is not custom, he gets a lower score. Even though its a great rune, he loses points for it…

And really so do other people’s best stats. Like while Killey is just decent in everything but has 3 rune slots. Many characters with much better stats in their specific areas like Luc, Mazus, Valeria, Oulan, but weaknesses in other areas and most importantly have less rune slots have TREMENDOUSLY lower scores because of that.

In fact, the characters with the highest scores tend to be the ones with the most average/ decent stats that excel in no area and most rune slots.

So, I don’t know about this list man…

But again, I do appreciate the work you put into it and its interesting read. I just don’t know how much of it I’d use in my next playthrough. I might test out Bob but, for people who just look at the “overall score” and nothing else, it might be rough on them trying to play the game without knowing how the score really worked. Like, possibly put a complete explanation at the top of the chart of how many points you were given for each stat and which stats are most important.

For me, I always look at lists like this with open-mindedness and only take it with a certain judgement knowing its another way one person looked at things. But, tons of people, when they look at that list, they are not gonna look past the overall score and take it as concrete fact and that could lead to a rough game for them.

I mean, if the party of Hai Yo, Chaco, Killey, and such work great for you, then thats fabulous. I’d love for that to work. But, looking at the list with more attention to detail, it doesn’t make me wanna use those characters…

Heh, and I went to gamefaqs doing a tier list and people were getting pissed off at me pointing to this list calling me a newb and exclusively looking at the overall score and nobody really gave me any reason to me anything else but the overall score. But, thats their fault and another story. So, people do trust that list though, I’m jealous.

I definitely don’t mean this insulting you by any means by the way. I only commented on the list and thats it. I’m a critic only.

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The reason characters with 3 open rune slots are ranked the highest is because of the Double Beat + Rage + Double Strike rune combo.
Have you ever used it? PLEASE at least try it and see what happens.

Seriously dude, nothing else in the entire game comes close to that damage output besides maybe L.C. Chan and Wakaba’s Unite.
Killey has the best stats of anyone with 3 open rune slots, so that means he’s the best character in the game. No way is Chaco low-tier either, since he has 3 rune slots too.

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I’m gonna test it out. So, its a list letting you know who could potentially be the most powerful character in the game. But, see you only have a very limited amount of those runes, like 1 of each if you decide to use Stalliion to run around Muse to get the double beat and fury comes at the very end of the game. So, during the game, if one character is the best, all the other characters with decent stats and 3 rune slots are not gonna be good whatsoever since they won’t have those runes to equip for them. I see it could be a list to create your one biggest damage dealer late in the game.

And you know what, that indeed is a helpful thing and makes me look forward to using Killey in the final dungeon. He’s still low/mid tier to me as far as his overall contribution to the entire game is concerned.

Also, I do see how my Pesmerga ranking is somewhat similiar to how Killey is ranked. Pesmerga you get at the end of the game. But, Pesmerga is always a killing machine if Killey gets all those runes. Hai Yo and Chaco are mediocre if Killey gets all those runes.

Sorry if I sound like I’m rambling. Its just cuz I love this game. I tend to overanalyze and discuss things endlessly in games I really like.

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Puzzle Fighter:

Top - Ken, Donovan

Mid - Everybody else except Dan

Low - Dan