Tiers for non-fighting games?

[Shishioh]

KOS-MOS is top tier, everyone else is pretty much mid, Wonder Momo and Bravoman, Tron and servebots are low…I’ll make a more specific one later but that’s about the just of it.

You’re probably right, I should probably rate him higher, much like Clown/Violator is good because they are the same character. Its just unlike Clown who can just transform, Sam has to get his ass whooped to transform.

I know. If he can get the speed up and defense up icons though, he becomes pretty good. Not to mention he has good defense already.

[blinky77]

I need the tier list for Advance Wars: Dual Strike so I can make kids cry

[Musourenka]

I need the tier list for Advance Wars: Dual Strike so I
can make kids cry

Here’s WWN’s tier list:

Broken
Hachi, Colin, Grit, Sensei

Top
Kanbei, Kindle, Sami, Eagle

High
Sonja, Jess, Rachel

Middle
Von Bolt, Hawke, Olaf, Sasha, Max

Low
Andy, Koal, Jake, Javier, Adder, Drake

Bottom
Grimm, Lash

Unranked
Nell, Flak, Jugger

Luck COs were not ranked because of their unpredictable results. As a guess, I’d put Nell somewhere in Top and Flak and Jugger at the top of Low or bottom of Mid.

[MachoRhombus]

dunno how mill decks would stop Infernities since they want to dump certain key cards into the graveyard to fuel their OTK combo. It’s like trying to run a mill deck against Lightsworn or Zombies last format, you might just be accelerating their win condition.

giving Infernities a free draw (Dark Bribe, D-Hero Defender, etc.) sounds like it would work on paper if you are just trying to stop their effects from going off… except you are giving them a free card which might be the last part they need for the combo, or it might be an answer to break up your field and pave the way for their combo. Infernities aren’t trying to kill their card presence by overextending and throwing away their hands; their mechanic might ignore the concept of card advantage, but that doesn’t mean you should just give them +1’s all day.
Pretty much, if you give them a card, that doesn’t prevent them from using or pitching that card somehow; and in the worst case scenario you just fed them their one card OTK and they kill you that turn.

Haven’t played in a year but my take on how to beat Infernities is the following:

You can’t cut their resources, one card can net them all they need.

They will try to OTK your ass, Waboku or Threatening Roar are needed.

They will control the field with Synchros out of their ass, Gladiator Beasts should be raped.

They may overextend if the game is getting mature, mindfuck them and try to rape them back with a well time Torrential Tribute or Mirror Force, pray for no Heavy Storm or you’ll be raped.

You’ll need to OTK them back, Blackwings, Lightsworn and Synchro Cat (if the deck is still around) should be able to beat them.

Man, 3 Gales, 3 Black Whirlwinds and Dark Strike Fighter would completely rape Infernities, I just know that all the blowing up with DaD and shit would beat them up easily ;_;

[pizzacat83]

Here’s WWN’s tier list:

Broken
Hachi, Colin, Grit, Sensei

Top
Kanbei, Kindle, Sami, Eagle

High
Sonja, Jess, Rachel

Middle
Von Bolt, Hawke, Olaf, Sasha, Max

Low
Andy, Koal, Jake, Javier, Adder, Drake

Bottom
Grimm, Lash

Unranked
Nell, Flak, Jugger

Luck COs were not ranked because of their unpredictable results. As a guess, I’d put Nell somewhere in Top and Flak and Jugger at the top of Low or bottom of Mid.

That list is pretty good, but Max should be in the Low Tier because his indirects are crap and indirects are king in this game. Javier with Comm Towers is Top Tier because if he has at least 2 towers, then he’s the only CO that can halfway compete with Grit in the indirect fire game, and he laughs at other CO’s indirect attacks. Javier is the most underrated CO in the game.

Grimm is a miserable little gimp who deserves his own tier at the bottom. He’s the worst CO in any Advance Wars game. His units die too easily to pretty much anything (even Colin’s units smack his around for free), especially artillery fire. Grimm can never mount a decent offensive due to his low defensive rating. The only time Grimm is worth a damn is against Ooziums. Outside of anti-Oozium combat, Grimm can only grab his ankles.

[pizzacat83]

Here’s WWN’s tier list:

Broken
Hachi, Colin, Grit, Sensei

Top
Kanbei, Kindle, Sami, Eagle

High
Sonja, Jess, Rachel

Middle
Von Bolt, Hawke, Olaf, Sasha, Max

Low
Andy, Koal, Jake, Javier, Adder, Drake

Bottom
Grimm, Lash

Unranked
Nell, Flak, Jugger

Luck COs were not ranked because of their unpredictable results. As a guess, I’d put Nell somewhere in Top and Flak and Jugger at the top of Low or bottom of Mid.

That list is pretty good, but Max should be in the Low Tier because his indirects are crap and indirects are king in this game. Javier with Comm Towers is Top Tier because if he has at least 2 towers, then he’s the only CO that can halfway compete with Grit in the indirect fire game, and he laughs at other CO’s indirect attacks. Javier is the most underrated CO in the game.

Grimm is a miserable little gimp who deserves his own tier at the bottom. He’s the worst CO in any Advance Wars game. His units die too easily to pretty much anything (even Colin’s units smack his around for free), especially artillery fire. Grimm can never mount a decent offensive due to his low defensive rating. The only time Grimm is worth a damn is against Ooziums. Outside of anti-Oozium combat, Grimm can only grab his ankles.

[Musourenka]

That list is pretty good, but Max should be in the Low Tier because his indirects are crap and indirects are king in this game. Javier with Comm Towers is Top Tier because if he has at least 2 towers, then he’s the only CO that can halfway compete with Grit in the indirect fire game, and he laughs at other CO’s indirect attacks. Javier is the most underrated CO in the game.

I guess they figured Max’s ability to OHKO infantry left and right via COP was enough to keep him out of low. It can be argued either way really.

Javier in a way should be unranked; his effectiveness is almost completely determined by towers, and if you add towers, he becomes almost overpowered (one tower, at least; any more and he’s broken). No towers, and he’s definitely low tier.

Grimm is a miserable little gimp who deserves his own tier at the bottom. He’s the worst CO in any Advance Wars game. His units die too easily to pretty much anything (even Colin’s units smack his around for free), especially artillery fire. Grimm can never mount a decent offensive due to his low defensive rating. The only time Grimm is worth a damn is against Ooziums. Outside of anti-Oozium combat, Grimm can only grab his ankles.

If Grimm had either 120/90 stats or a COP/SCOP that actually had some bite (he gets the same firepower as Max, but he still can’t take a hit), he’d be better off. His inability to really utilize that firepower (either by additional movement, or pre-emptive counter attack, or having like 190/90 stats at COP) hurts. I’m not sure why Lash is down with him other than her COP/SCOP and dailies being overall weak or expensive.

[Duelingk]

I been looking but havent seen a tier list on the classes of Mass Effect 2.

I made the mistake of making a vanguard my first playthrough, and my insanity playthrough is hell.

[Sephiroth417]

KOS-MOS is top tier, everyone else is pretty much mid, Wonder Momo and Bravoman, Tron and servebots are low…I’ll make a more specific one later but that’s about the just of it.

What about Chun-Li, Cammy, Captain Commando, Strider Hiryu, Rutee(tales of destiny) and Taki(Soul Edge/Calibur)? I always thought they were top tier but, then again i haven’t played much of the game.

[CrimsonDisaster]

Haven’t played in a year but my take on how to beat Infernities is the following:

You can’t cut their resources, one card can net them all they need.

They will try to OTK your ass, Waboku or Threatening Roar are needed.

They will control the field with Synchros out of their ass, Gladiator Beasts should be raped.

They may overextend if the game is getting mature, mindfuck them and try to rape them back with a well time Torrential Tribute or Mirror Force, pray for no Heavy Storm or you’ll be raped.

You’ll need to OTK them back, Blackwings, Lightsworn and Synchro Cat (if the deck is still around) should be able to beat them.

Man, 3 Gales, 3 Black Whirlwinds and Dark Strike Fighter would completely rape Infernities, I just know that all the blowing up with DaD and shit would beat them up easily ;_;

Waboku and Threatening Roar are okay. Battle Fader is better imo, but Waboku/Threatening Roar can bait out Dust Tornados or Rykos and such. Mirror Force kinda blows against Infernities imo, will probably get bounced by Mist Wurm before it can do anything.

D.D. Crow and Crevice to a Different Dimension are incredibly useful against Infernities, shut down the combo by removing key components. I wish Kycoo was fast enough to do it, too… but it isn’t. Oop aww.
Consecrated Light can be rough for Infernities to get around in game 1. They’ll probably side Ryko or Cyber Dragon or something to help get over it afterwards. Royal Oppression, of course. Rai-Oh helps shut down some of the searching power and gives you a 1900 atk Royal Oppression. Book of Moon is always good. Dust Tornado is incredibly useful as well. And all of those have value in other matchups.
Speaking of Oppression on legs, Kristya and Vanity’s Fiend aren’t bad either.

Lightsworn isn’t nearly as ridiculous nowadays, it can win (and does often in Japan) but the ridiculous speed that 3x Charge and Lumina -> Garoth type openings gave isn’t there anymore. Synchro Cat variants are still hanging around but they aren’t robust enough to hang with Infernities in an OTK arms race.

I mean if you want to try to out-speed Infernities, Frog FTK would be the way to go :V I don’t think you need to OTK Infernities to win, it’s possible to win with some control and beatdown while you assemble your win condition… it’s just tough to hold off the combo forever. Sometimes you can’t. Oh well. That’s why Infernities are good, if there were a ton of easy, consistent answers, the deck would suck.

[Shanghai_Kid]

Super Mario Bros. Crossover: Ver. 1.1

1. Simon Belmont: The addition of jump control instantly remedied every problem that Simon had. His axes and whip attacks are absurdly powerful, and as he gains firepower, he can wreck your shit with the whip. He is never at a disadvantage. Even Lakitu fears him.
2. Bill Rizer: Nothing has changed from version 1.0. Bill has unbelievable attack range and space control, but he lacks the sheer power that Simon has, and the fact that his enemies do not flinch when hit presents an occasional problem.
3. Ryu Hayabusa: He’s a hard character to control because of his wall-climb mechanic, but his ability to slaughter Bowser by hanging off the nearby edge and peppering him with shurikens coupled with his unbelievable space control with the windmill shuriken, coupled with the wall-climbing that allows him to skip entire levels, make him a very powerful character. He’s just fucking hard.
4. Mario: The game was designed for him. He is the fastest runner and the longest jumper. His “tiny” mode also gives him the smallest hitbox in the game. There are certain levels where he has a very, very clear advantage, but the other characters usually have an easier time killing enemies.
5. Samus Aran: She isn’t bad at all. It’s just that Simon, Bill, Ryu, and Mario are better. Also, unlike most other characters save for Bill, Samus absolutely must have a Fire Flower in order to be effective. Without a Super Mushroom, she’s arguably shit tier.
6. Mega Man: He’s just like Samus, except he can’t aim upward, he has a gimmicky slide that does jack shit, and his Buster does a bit more damage than most projectiles. The Rush Coil is nice, I guess, but there still isn’t much substance to Mega Man’s style.
7. Link: He got buffed by the ability to aim his magic sword projectile upwards or downwards, but honestly, Link is still ass. His boomerang is kind of cool, but he absolutely has to be up-close to deal reliable damage, and his slow movement is a pain in the ass.

Depends what you are going for.

If you’re going for points, then Bill Rizer is tops simply because of the ease at which he can destroy bricks. His jump is a little tough to control though. This can be troublesome in extreme mode where moving platforms are now a fraction of their original size. He also has no way of clearing 3 indestructibles and basically has to move back out of the screen in order to space them out.

If you’re going for a speed run, then Mario is still tops.

Simon and Samus both have easy to control jumps. Definitely puts them over the others in extreme mode. Simon is really good for water levels. Samus is better vs Bowser.

Ryu Hayabusa is gimmicky. Fun to play as. Wall climb is nice to have in extreme mode when you need to sit and wait for indestructibles to pass by. Sucks vs Lakitu, Hammer Brothers, Bowser.

Link can kill Bowser the fastest if he has fire flower. Downward thrust saves him a bunch in extreme mode vs the indestructibles. Boomerang and downward thrust work on Bowser very well.

Mega Man is godawful now. Especially in extreme mode. Too many enemies immune to firepower and his crappy jump makes him really tough to use on some levels. Lakitu destroys him.

In extreme mode I’d rank it (in terms of ease to complete from start to finish) as:

1. Samus
2. Simon
3. Link
4. Bill
5. Ryu
6. Mario
7. Megaman

[elDark]

Just wondering, anyone do a tier list for the classes in TF2?

[Yuna]

Just wondering, anyone do a tier list for the classes in TF2?

Someone did. I think it went like this.

Top: Soldier, Demoman
High: Medic, Sniper
Mid: Scout, Pyro
Low: Heavy, Engineer
Bottom: Spah

I’m not sure how accurate that is, though, especially now.

[System_1]

Dont know if someone here play d&d, but I would like to see a tier list of ALL 3.5 d&d classes from every official 3.5 book (classes only, not prestidge classes).

[orochi1017]

Waboku and Threatening Roar are okay. Battle Fader is better imo, but Waboku/Threatening Roar can bait out Dust Tornados or Rykos and such. Mirror Force kinda blows against Infernities imo, will probably get bounced by Mist Wurm before it can do anything.

D.D. Crow and Crevice to a Different Dimension are incredibly useful against Infernities, shut down the combo by removing key components. I wish Kycoo was fast enough to do it, too… but it isn’t. Oop aww.
Consecrated Light can be rough for Infernities to get around in game 1. They’ll probably side Ryko or Cyber Dragon or something to help get over it afterwards. Royal Oppression, of course. Rai-Oh helps shut down some of the searching power and gives you a 1900 atk Royal Oppression. Book of Moon is always good. Dust Tornado is incredibly useful as well. And all of those have value in other matchups.
Speaking of Oppression on legs, Kristya and Vanity’s Fiend aren’t bad either.

Lightsworn isn’t nearly as ridiculous nowadays, it can win (and does often in Japan) but the ridiculous speed that 3x Charge and Lumina -> Garoth type openings gave isn’t there anymore. Synchro Cat variants are still hanging around but they aren’t robust enough to hang with Infernities in an OTK arms race.

I mean if you want to try to out-speed Infernities, Frog FTK would be the way to go :V I don’t think you need to OTK Infernities to win, it’s possible to win with some control and beatdown while you assemble your win condition… it’s just tough to hold off the combo forever. Sometimes you can’t. Oh well. That’s why Infernities are good, if there were a ton of easy, consistent answers, the deck would suck.

Just saying part of the reason LS wins in Japan is because they don’t have a Saber deck NEARLY as good. They should play Fabled more though with the shit they got.

Someone did. I think it went like this.

Top: Soldier, Demoman
High: Medic, Sniper
Mid: Scout, Pyro
Low: Heavy, Engineer
Bottom: Spah

I’m not sure how accurate that is, though, especially now.

In comp play, I believe the list is

God: Medic
High: Demo, Soldier, Scout
Mid: Sniper
Low: Spy (need extraordinary amounts of skill to pull it off though)
Low and situational: Pyro, Engy, Heavy

In pubs with plenty of players (12 v 12, 16 v 16, etc.) and such, kinda depends on the map, offense or defense, and the rest of the team. But unless you’re running stuff like 4 spy, 2 sniper and no medics, then you’ll be fine as long as you have competent players.

[CrimsonDisaster]

OCG LS doesn’t have to deal with TCG Sabers, AND they have plays like Charge -> Lumina -> pitch Cerburrel -> get 4* LS -> Cerburrel special summons -> Trishula. Though that was better when you had 3x Charge and 3x Lumina :V

Fabled does get play, still seems like it needs a bit more support or maybe just some funky tech. It doesn’t seem to be winning very much these days. The archetype is fun but a bit unstable. Still, you have hilarious things like turn 1 Unicore, opponent sets a few extra cards to get over Unicore, Heavy Storm’d.
Honestly I think the real issue with Fabled is that Unicore does jack squat to stop Infernities from setting up, and then Infernities spams Trishula and kills you. Fabled does pretty well in other matchups I guess, Blackwings can be rough but what deck doesn’t have trouble against Blackwings?

Still, kinda telling that no Fabled decks topped at Japanese nationals.

[Beavith]

Super Mario Bros.

Top Tier: Luigi

Bottom Tier: Mario

Green is better than red…duh.

[Tech_Romancer]

har har

[Yuna]

Are there any Namco x Capcom tiers in this thread??

God Tier: Jin Kazama, KOS-MOS
Shit Tier: Everyone else

[Leprosy_Snacks]

I don’t think you can find an enemy Bard, Dancer, or Mime

What? I saw ghostly Dancers in the swamps with undead things all the time towards the end of the game.