Tier discussion

Classic Fighting Games Tatsunoko VS Capcom
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I thought discussion on Roll was over… but with the previous post, I have an excuse! Plus I main Roll =)

Roll by no means is a bad character. However, using her requires a lot of quick thinking and being able to adjust your playstyle on the fly. The way I look at it, she’s more of using whatever you can throw at your opponent to counter their momentum. She does have defensive and offensive options, but they seem more oriented towards giving opponents a hard time rather then damage output.

Given her tools (bucket, puddle, sweep, j.c, Power-Up tricks, Heal, size, OTG, overhead, even her throws), everything is great to annoy and frustrate your opponents playstyle. Other players will have to adjust their combos and playstyles specifically for her. The more you frustrate/agitate/fluster your opponent, the more likely they’ll make a mistake to capitalize on via a combo or Super.

Oddly, I’ve found that her 6b overhead works incredibly well facing people offline. For some reason people get thrown off when I throw it out there and from that I continue with a swing, barqoue combo, or Super.

What makes it hard for her is that characters with range (i.e., tekkaman, blade, zero) or speed (i.e., Ken, Zero), or just giants can beat out most of her approaches. She also suffers from having limited anti-air options, Add that to her low health, and you’ve got a character who can die with 1-2 strong combos or a lvl 3 Super.

Even given that though, she’s a fun (though a bit challenging), solid character to use.

I recommend watching some of Brian’s matches http://www.youtube.com/user/briankasugano#p/u/13/THmijSmlIZA on his youtube for Roll play.

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I’d say Gold Lightan is better than Karas. Karas seems like the worst character in the game to me. Even though G. Lightan has really bad match ups he has some really good match ups as well. And from all the videos I have watched with Karas being used that team loses. Only thing he does have that is good is good normals but that is offset by weak damage and hard to execute combos. It doesn’t mesh well. That’s why I think he’s the worst character in this game. Even Gold Lightan is slightly better than him.

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Incorrect, as Lightan has several 0 - 10 matchups. Megaman and Tekkaman Blade.

I’d say Karas is pretty bad, his mixups are not that great. Damage is very low too.

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Lightan’s damage output is insane. [media=youtube]vjUsFzxCluk[/media]

Plus a high low mixup game with lightan isn’t the quickest but it’s still there plus Lightan gets good damage off both. Plus his launcher has ridiculous range and can stuff some super jump and air dash tactics. Plus there’s other tricks Lightan has, but I like saving those for show when I do play him lol

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My bad. I meant to say KARAS for that second line. Let me edit that.

Yes, Gold Lightan has big damage output.

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the game is really balanced and i truly dont believe karas is the weakest in the game
he builds meter really fast which is great for certain teammates and has a really good rushdown and nice unblockable overhead setups, thats where his big damage is at
you truly have to work hard to win with karas tho at scr in casuals i wasnt having much trouble with karas you just have to play ridiculously safe with him to win hes definitely mid tier people

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It’s better to be a double edged sword (G. Lightan) rather than a dull blade (Karas). Also, I’ve beaten T. Blade’s and Megaman’s with Lightan thanks to a good amount of red life and baroque, you can sometimes one hit KO them. G. Lightan can make a come back, when Karas can’t make comebacks cause of the weak damage output and less red life to baroque.

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have u seen how little damage he does?? with BBQ he does about the same as any other character’s normal damage

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Karas takes work for nothing. He is a cool character but I seriously would not use him in tourney. Id use Tekkaman over Karas any day.

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yeah hes not that good but you can still win tourneys with him with the right team, hes not low tier although he does low damage hes still good and his assist is decent

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Yes I agree Karas is decent at the most.

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It’s been a while since I posted/played due to college, but coming back to the game, looking at new tournament vids and playing with kids here, I think T. Blade is the best character, with Y1 and Zero close behind. I think Soki shouldn’t be overlooked although he’s definitely not top tier. What are y’alls thoughts now that there are (slightly) more tournament results to go off of? I guess there haven’t been ones super recently, but like last 4 months or so.

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Blade is by far the best character. At our concrete tournament yesterday, the finals came down to me using Blade and Royalflush using Blade. We both dropped our main teams cause we realized you can’t win if you’re not Blade. Ban him please.

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I honestly don’t know if you’re joking or not, so do you mind giving us your thoughts on the matter? I’m not part of the tournament scene, so I’m interested in how the metagame has evolved since UAS came out.

I know Blade has OTK, but what else does he have that owns the rest for Free? :amazed:

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HAHA random select. Tekkaman Blade is by far the best character except people do not know how to use him which is why you don’t see a lot of Blade. I mean shit I was so rusty with Blade yesterday in tourney against Flush and BDChris but I was holding out with Morrigan as well. I think like all my rounds against them were pretty close and Morrigan is for sure underrated because against Flush I am pretty sure both rounds I lost Blade early and had to rely on Morrigan. Remind at the tournament the past 48 hrs I was running on 8hrs of sleep haha.

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my thought on blade, his combos are nasty over 48 billion if you know how to play him, safe blockstring with the mash weak attack, mixups is abit ambigius but still decent enough, have a lot of life for a character, very weird hitbox which make him hard to combo ad times, even without a wavedash option he can still cover up the whole screen, disjoined hitbox ad some points, strong+back is like ptx tackle which let him absord fireballs even supers, cinematic attack that pierce super armor, crash intrude is hands down the best super in the game it setups for a OTG and further mixups options, so yes i agree with blade been the best character, however just like the rest of the cast, if you dont know how to use it he’s not near as good as any will think.

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Blade is overrated. People just don’t know how to fight against him.

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S tier: Saki, Tekkaman, Zero.

A tier: Tekkaman Blade, V.Joe, Alex, Doronjo, Casshan, Ken the Eagle

B Tier: Megaman Volnutt, Batsu, Jun the Swan

B tier: Ryu, Chun-Li, Morrigan, G Lightan, Ippatsuman, Frank West, Joe the Condor

C tier: Soki, Yatterman 2, Karas, Roll, Polimar, Yatterman 1

Totally not a biased tier list.

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Rotan saying Blade is overrated is funny. Dude when I play you, you cant figure out what to do a lot so your blocking most of the time. When a character makes you block more in a round than you attack, that is good pressure. His damage, health, combos and mobility is what makes him really good. Like I said before a lot of people don’t know how to use Blade. I don’t want to be cocky or anything but I think I got down Blade pretty well but he is still beatable.

As far as Morrigan, people don’t know how to use her either! Shit, recent tourney when I played Royal, go watch videos. I lose Blade fast both rounds and almost make a complete come back with Morrigan.

Really Zero, Saki and Tekkaman being in S tier Yoshi, that I disagree with.

I think S tier would be Yatterman-1 and Blade

A-Tier: V. Joe, Zero, Ken the Eagle, Saki

The rest you guys can decide.

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Ban Tier: Tekkaman Blade

S Tier: Tekkaman, Joe the Condor, Yatterman1
A Tier: Saki, Doronjo, Chun Li, Ken the Eagle, Ryu, Morrigan, PTX, Megaman Volnutt, Gold Lightan
B Tier: Ippatsuman, Polimar, Roll, Alex, Viewtiful Joe, Zero, Frank West
C Tier: Jun the Swan, Karas, Yatterman2, Casshan
SS Tier: Batsu, Soki