Thoughts on ST in Tougeki SBO & Japan

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  • CPS2 is hard to setup but it is definitely the best
  • When that is not feasible, a PC with proper setup (no input lag, display lag) + emulated arcade rom > any console port, and it will always be available

I have a lot to say about the cabinet experience, but here’re just a few points

  • you can do “MANLY” dragon punch on a cab because it is basically immovable

  • the way that the screen is close to you and slightly angled make it better than when you play on the console where you are farther away from the screen (although the screen can be bigger) and almost always angled at 90 degree

just these are enough to make people spend $$$ and time to make a cab to house their Xbox360 and mame on a cab if you frequent the tech talk forum

  • some current gen console games are more solid than the others, but an arcade rom has basically no room for bugs and errors (we already discussed this before, it’s almost impossible to patch arcade) and they go through a more vigorous QA / quality control cycle than the current gen console game (they can be patched).

again not picking on HDR but HDR’s quality of the code (not talking about design) is inferior to CPS2 ST’s quality.

ST arcade just feel more solid

similarly, in general PC game’s quality is worst than older generation console game (where you cannot patch a SNES cart or a PS1 disc-based game)

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Plus HDR supposedly has 3 frames of input delay offline.

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I tend to agree. While it would be great if there were a world-wide standard, there isn’t. Evo is a console-only tourney and SBO is arcade-only. Given that, I actually don’t think it’s a bad thing that we have people playing both. It helps us to improve our overall competitive skills for all venues.

I no longer see a point in trying to convince people that they should play one version over another. Between a combination of tastes and logistics, different areas prefer one game over the other. And that’s cool with me. The only thing I will put up much of a debate over is the logistics of trying to put a square peg in a round hole. Since Evo is console based, I don’t see arcade ST fitting there in the same way that HDR wouldn’t make sense at SBO.

So, I think we have to come to grips with the fact that we have a dual game community here in the US. Luckily for us, there’s a lot of overlap in players between the two games because, as you said Possum, it’s not *that hard *to transition between the two. That’s why I’d like to see us quit all this bickering and start figuring out a way to work together to support and promote SF2 collectively. I think this pertains to both online discussion, stats, tools, videos, etc. as well as offline tourney promotion.

For example, currently everything is separate. The ST and HDR forums are separate. We have people working on hitbox, throw range, etc. data for each game, but results of those efforts are handled separately. Now, I certainly don’t think it makes sense to cram everything together. And I’m not suggesting that everyone who comes up with data, techniques, etc. for the version they play most should have to bothered with cross-checking to see if that also applies for the other game. But maybe it’s worth considering where there is some overlap and what we can do to pool our resources. For example, at the very least, it strikes me that videos from both ST and HDR tournies are probably interesting, or at least entertaining, to both sets of players. Maybe we should have one thread for those videos instead of two? This is also why I created the tournament thread in an agnostic way that recognizes *any *SF2 tourney. But maybe it’d be better if it wasn’t housed in the HDR forum? We’re small enough that I think segregating everything hurts us.

I’m just thinking aloud here, but maybe the best way to start to change this is to switch up the way we handle these things online? Currently we have the ST and HDR forums under the “Strategy Zone” section on SRK. HF has that one thread by Crayfish in the “Fight Game Discussion” forum. Is there more HF coverage in the “Other Games” section? There was also that thread about the Korean stream for CE. Is there more info about WW, CE, HF, or SSF2? Ya got me. Maybe we could get the powers that be to upgrade us and give us a SF2 section up at the top, next to the “Street Fighter IV Series”? If so, we could transfer and continue the version specific discussions inside of sub-forums under there. And, it would also give us a place to post general SF2 info.

What do you guys think about working towards something like that?

PS: In case anyone cares, in addition to HDR at our last ranbat, we also ran a 2v2 team tourney on the ST cab. DGV won both and they were both fun :wgrin:

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I thought you lived in New York, but I guess you actually live in some far-away land where it’s actually easier to buy a CPS2 cabinet than to buy a PS2 / N64 / Dreamcast / whatever old console.

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Geo i wish i had less responsibility, I would start up a scene here in Washington for HDR! Guys who grew up playing SF2 are all pretty much tied down being a family man, w/ asian wife doing handcuff glitch.

Online is the convenient way to go for most of us. As for myself, im quite content online. I went to a tournament in Portland & was actually pretty awesome experience. I tried a couple of times to try to get more HDR folks to unite but its all about SFIV!

Best bet is to infiltrate AfroColes dojo & start spreading the goodness of SF2 to these young bucks!

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How do you know about my handcuffs??

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It’s not a matter of easier, it’s a matter of better. I have no desire to buy a dreamcast to play SF2 just as I have no desire to bang a real doll. I want the real thing.

All console versions have input lag relative to arcade, and in the case of HDR classic, it’s input buffer lasts longer than the arcade, making it easier to perform moves. Arcade is tighter and more responsive.

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SweetJV: A general SF2 board sounds interesting. The only issue may be that the threads aren’t clearly labeled for which game they’re referring to and that could cause confusion (e.g. players taking about Cammy’s spiral arrow being unreliable and cannon spike being safe in 1 thread followed by another with the exact opposite).

But on the topic of promoting a game, I’ll go over what I’ve seen and been curious about:

What encouraged players to start playing SF2 offline? Was it anything specific on SRK? Because when you started playing seriously, it was still a big hit in arcades? Just a decision after trying out HDR? A friend that talked about/brought you to a tourney? I know I liked NKI’s Japan log (had planned to make one for my own trip but there weren’t enough interesting events on a per-day basis), then friends talking about tourneys, looking up when nearby upcoming tourneys would be, and finally making my own decision to see how far I could go led me to playing competitively.

What works and doesn’t work with attracting players? I’ve gotten to know new players and convinced them to play SF2. My success rate with having online GGPO/HDR players show up to at least 1 tourney after talking to them online is maybe 15-20%. My success rate at convincing SF4 players and non-SF fighter players is 0%. But the main players in my area are still mostly those who started before me and play multiple games well, as well as a few newer players. We recently had a $200 pot HDR tourney that many locals didn’t even join, even though most entered other games there, so perhaps money accounts for very little.

Who do we see in majors? We all know regulars show up but who else is actively participating? It seems like the majority are new fighting game players, followed by experts in other games, and the rest are general enthusiasts. The ratio of focused players to casual players has traditionally been low in EC majors (~1:2 for the past few years) but it seems most folks at the WC ranbats regularly play the game.

How were scenes actually built up? The MD/VA scene was already here when I got started and descended from the Gametime arcade followed up by monthly tourneys. Apparently, NorCal’s HDR casuals started because Sirlin’s supporters talked to him about meeting up often to play prior to Evo. NY/CT always had Chinatown Fair and then continued when Howard got a cab and started inviting people over to train for Tougeki. How did SoCal build up its active HDR community? I know Seattle worked to construct their scene so it’d be interesting to hear how it was done. If Florida has one, I’m also curious. Same for Europe, such as the little mentioned Dutch community.

How do scenes collapse? Seattle is probably the biggest example of a scene disappearing apparently after SF4 drew the interest away. For MD/VA, many players during SF4’s beginning stopped showing up and some others stuck to SF4-only while others still don’t really enter tourneys much anymore. So we still have a core but not anything exceptional.

Japan is really lucky because everything is spread through word of mouth, gaming magazines, and the internet (2ch, Aka Zangief’s site, T.Akiba’s site, etc.). New ST players there can quickly find out where the major competitions are. As for how they got interested, that would be great to know if the interviews pan out.

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In my case, I started playing SF2 on GGPO and 2dfighter around March 2008 at a friend’s suggestion, and instantly fell in love with the game. I don’t really remember where I first heard about tournies, either from online play chat or from shoryuken.com, but I heard much about how Evo was “the place to be” and decided to head there in 2008 as my first tourney. I had an absolute blast there and decided to look for more tournies to experience more of it.

About Ganelon’s point that perhaps money matters very little, I agree pretty hard with this. The only case I can think of where a pot bonus actually did work in attracting someone who otherwise might not have come is myself at that Virginia tourney, and even then it weighted for like 5% in my decision. It really is a pretty minor factor, I feel.

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money talks. just not $200

if you have $10000 pot bonus for SBR ST tourney I bet you can call mike watson now and wake him up, and Ganelon can tell his friend sorry I can’t attend your wedding :slight_smile:

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Let’s be really honest for a quick minute here. Are people trying to just keep ST alive just because HDR isn’t happening in japan? I mean, ya we should have a standard, but how many of us actually think about playing ST just so we can compete with japan? ST is available on ggpo, you can battle local and international players there. Some of those players even come to evo and such to compete and even do well in HDR.

But are some of us hoping to keep ST alive so we can go and compete at SBO? I think I can count the number of people since SBO started who have represented USA there. It’s very few. There’s nothing wrong with promoting ST but I feel it’s at the expense of HDR, which many of us haven’t given a chance to grow. HDR isn’t that different, and I would think that many who played ST can easily adjust if they tried to play it some. Hell, a friend of mine before only used to play ST on dreamcast, didn’t know much about HDR and was able to win an HDR tourney (and that was just using ST/hyper knowledge… and he hadn’t even been to tourneys in awhile). If he was able to adjust, I’m sure the rest of the old ST heads could adjust as well (even better I would think).

Also, how realistic is it to “keep it arcade”? Where can I get a board/cabinet? How much? Say I want to practice, and only 1 person in town has it. You think he’d let me and my friends come over whenever? Let’s be real, HDR is convenient. more convenient than ggpo even (to get, to setup, etc).

Btw, since this is a HDR forum, I’d like to make some suggestions on how this community can grow. If these were to to happen, I think it would be good exposure for the game:

  1. Some jpn player winning HDR evo. I think if that were to happen, it would actually be good since others in jpn might take notice. I believe it was mentioned that HDR should be pushed in jpn evolution, I’m all for that. Actually, can someone explain why the game isn’t widely released on PSN or XBL there?

  2. HDR being available for pc. I’m not sure why this hasn’t happened either, i’m assuming it’s a piracy thing but if it was to happen, I see another whole audience of people who don’t have console being exposed to the game. If it was on pc, hopefully someone would be able to make it run with ggpo since netcode seems to be a complaint by some.

  3. Always include HDR at any SF tournament. It shouldn’t be much trouble. And if there isn’t enough participants who sign up, then you can always cancel, right? I know EC has ST tourneys, but are they still trying to promote HDR tourneys? Also, I’m curious how that tourney went down with $200 as prize for HDR. I’m reluctant to believe that nobody showed up for that. If anything, all of the ST players who frequent tourneys there, I would think they would’ve grabbed that free money and entered.

  4. When people like Daigo, Gian, Ryan Hart, and others come to compete here, what is their motivation? Why not throw them incentive to come here and compete - for HDR in particular? Like say, give any japanese/euro ST expert an added $500 if they were able to come to usa and win evo HDR outright. (now where would the extra money come from? I’m sure you can find people willing to see if that could be done - a foreigner ST expert winning HDR here in USA, hell, get 100 people to donate $5.00 each and have them play best of 10 games in casuals as a way to justify giving that $5.00… it would be like real arcade where you’re spending money to battle, not free play. Plus we all know HDR games move quickly)

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Oh, I may not have been clear. I’m not suggesting putting all of the posts in a single forum. I’m saying there would be a top SF2 forum, and then sub-forums under that for each game along with general SF2 posts. My proposal is similar to how the SF4 boards are setup. Actually, I guess it’s really more like how the SSF4 sub-board is set up. If you go in there, there are a bunch of sub-sub-forums under the SSF4 sub-forum. There’s one for each character (Akuma, Adon, etc), and then there’s also a bunch of top level posts about general SSF4 stuff. So, with SF2, I see it looking something like this:

  • SF2 Series
    |-- + WW
    |-- + CE
    |-- + HF
    |-- + SSF2
    |-- + ST
    |-- + AE
    |-- + HDR
    |-- (Sticky: SF2 Videos)
    |-- (Sticky: SF2 Tournaments)
    |-- (Sticky: Hitbox, framedata, and game mechanics)
    |-- (Hey guys, is CE Guile really the best Guile?)
    |-- (How do CPS1 chains work?)
    |-- (etc.)

  • = sub-forum
    () = threads

I used to play *way back *in the arcade days. I lived in the mid-west and quit playing for years when our arcades died out, around the Alpha 2/3 time-frame. When I moved to Cali we had an Ultracade machine at work and I started playing HF pretty regularly with the guys there, including EA Megaman. About the same time, I started reading SRK and tried to un-learn my scrub mentality. I found a couple of local tournies that were running HF and ST, went to them, and remembered how much fun competitive play was. It took a couple of years until I finally went to Evo(2k7), and that hooked me even more. Been pretty active since then.

ST was never popular back in my arcades. Most of us had switched to MK, KI, VF, etc. by then. We played a bit and unlocked Akuma, but there was no serious ST play in my town. When I got back into playing, it was mostly HF. But I kept reading that ST was the big game that everyone played competitively. So, I read SRK a lot. There was a lot of good stuff, but NKI’s stuff really stood out. I learned a ton from his posts and videos! That coupled with Kaillera/2DF for Super Sundays, and then GGPO is what helped me to get up to speed on ST.

I think everyone has a different story. For me, it was re-sparking the old arcade days. But take EA Megaman. He worked with me and played HF with me a lot. And I dragged him out to a couple of HF tournies. But he didn’t really take it seriously until HDR came out, where it became easy for him to practice at home on his big screen TV. I think it all depends on the person.

A lot of it was a combination of good timing. Up until HDR’s release there really wasn’t much of a SF2 scene here. Nothing consistent anyway. Then, at about the same time Denjin Arcade opened up, SF4 came out in the arcades, and HDR was released. The SoCal regionals were held at Denjin and they were pretty hype.

After that Denjin started up a ranbat for SF4 and 3S. Cesar(MongoloRobokop) talked to me and said he wanted to go to those and run HDR on the side and asked if I was interested. That was pretty much that. Me and Megaman would bring the equipment and Cesar took care of the brackets. Cesar had a group of friends that would always come down with him, so between them and me and Megaman, we had a pretty solid core group. I think that consistency helped. Since those early days, a number of players have become regulars (DGV, Moocus, Aqua Snake, Synco, etc). Some people show up at random (BruceLB, MuffinMan, Papercut, etc) and some have either quit altogether or focused completely on SF4 (UltraDavid, Sin, etc). And these days, in addition to those ranbats, a lot of people get together at Valle’s level-up events.

As for why we’ve stuck with HDR, some of our group started with it or prefers it. But I think that’s only part of the reason. We all usually play on the ST cab for fun when we’re at Denjin, so it’s not like we hate ST or anything. What’s more important to us is that Evo, Devastation, SoCal regionals, NorCal regionals, Valle’s weekly events, and any other random events around here, like Arcade in a Box’s recent tourney in AZ, are all console based. So, what matters the most to us is practicing the version that will be played at all of those. It also doesn’t hurt matters that it’s easy for all of us to practice HDR both on and offline.

I think that covers most of how things have gone in Socal…

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@SweetJV: I’m loving the SF2 forums idea! It would be so cool to have all the various threads located in one place like the Tekken or Alpha games. That way CE and HF players don’t have to go digging around the FGD forums for their respective threads, and having one spot to find tournies for all SF2 games would be a big bonus. I’m kinda surprised that SRK has done this for games like SF4, but not for the game that started it all.

@ pro-arcade players: arcade cabs/boards/superguns are not as easy to get as consoles. Even if HDR didn’t exist right now, IMO the best way for ST to have kept on going these past 2 years would have been on PS2/DC. Even those old consoles are easier/cheaper to get for tournies than cabs/boards, and also allows round-gate and pad players to join, which means a bigger turnout for tournies rather than a smaller one. It seems pro-arcade players just want to turn the North American scene into the Japanese scene. Unless you have the power to magically bring back the arcade scene in NA, consoles are the way to go here IMO.

And even if all consoles do eventually die, HDR will still most likely be supported on the next-gen PS/XBOX console, so that means it still has a life of about 3-5 more years. That’s a long time IMO. After that, I don’t know, but I do know that without actual arcades that are accessible to everybody like the old days and like the Japanese scene, cabs/superguns are gonna be out of the reach of most SF2 players.

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Reading these threads is like watching a dog chase it’s tail. I keep thinking to myself, how long is this argument going to go on? sigh whattever, it’s entertaining, i’m enjoying myself

Ultimately, I don’t really care about any of the issues being mentioned in this thread- like arcade ST vs HDR at tournaments for example. I don’t even go to live tournaments, I just occasionally dabble with online play. So I guess I’m one of the online only players that shouldn’t be really talking at all…

leans back into my reclining chair okay, so time to Throw Some Gas On the Fire so to speak. Hype up this debate a little bit. I’m actually really curious about some things.

first off, to Ganelon
At two of the big HDR majors, online pad online players won the tournament. Did that contribute to your opinion of HDR being a bad game? Or did you hate the game before. Just a question, I don’t know anyone here personally-i’m basially just a stream monster- I’m just curious.

**Do you guys think that playing on a pad is an unfair advantage? **
I’m being serious here…Do you?I’ve heard people mention that they like listening to their opponents button presses. Do you guys use tactics like that? I mean, obviously most people don’t listen to button presses, i personally don’t, but some people do. Do you guys think that’s a reason for the arcade set up being better.

edit: Because, okay, me personally, wanting to play on an arcade setup because you listen to your opponents button presses, or watch their hands, is a valid reason to like arcade setups more than online. Where as other reasons are immaterial -they don’t really matter.

Also, if you do listen to your opponents button presses, is that possible on the japanese style set up. I always assumed the reason japanese arcades are set up the way they are is to prevent…listening to buttons…which is basically like playing against a pad player IMO

edit 2
Could anyone give any examples of matches they lost because of input lag. Like video evidence…Or is it just a feeling you get.

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SweetJV: Ah, looks like I didn’t read correctly. Well, I’m not sure if those older SF games will receive any topics beyond the few you mentioned (don’t normally see them around) but if it’s still 2 clicks to reach these boards (not sure why they’re still set up this way), then I also agree that setup would work better. Even combining just ST and HDR sub-forums into a larger SF2 subforum would be slightly more efficient IMO.

blitzfu: Well, nobody is sure how things will play out but we all have the best in mind. What’s given me hope for ST is reading an old 1995 Gamest magazine from Mikado’s mag rack. Even back in those days, shops were selling Street Fighter boards and superguns to JP consumers. JP arcade stores still readily sell them nowadays. It’s amazing to consider how long personal arcades have been viable but disregarded as an option. Esp. now, don’t forget that laugh supplies PS-arcade converters so that players can play the real arcade version with the comfort of their own controllers: PSX to JAMMA converter

Plus, the arcade ST scene appears to be gaining viability in certain locations. Pink Gorilla in Seattle seems to be the newest hotspot for SF2 so hopefully everybody interested in Seattle checks it out: http://shoryuken.com/f22/pink-gorilla-regular-sessions-253758/ I’m not sure how close you are to Montreal but I’m sure Thelo would welcome local HDR competition there.

intangiBLZ: Once we get the last folks aboard on the unity train, maybe we’ll focus more on playing and less on posting. And I have no objections with online folks talking about the game, only talking about which version must be adopted as the offline tourney game.

Anyway, I don’t mind pads at all. Players are free to choose their controller. I don’t think they’re good practice when competing against Japan on cabs though. Anybody who plays SF2 offline gets my respect. I don’t hate HDR either. I just don’t see much of a point playing that still when I prefer ST and the folks I play with feel the same way. I explained earlier in this topic that my enthusiasm for HDR died after everybody in my local MD/VA scene either stopped entering HDR tourneys or preferred ST.

Is there an advantage to playing pads? The quietness of buttons is an advantage but personally, I think it’s slightly outweighed by the more flexible nature of a hand controlling a stick and the easier ability to piano large buttons. Reading hand motions is certainly a reason why I don’t like side-by-side arcade cabs though (the other being bigger players prevent you from having an optimal position in front of the controls). I don’t consciously look at the opponent’s motions but it’s possible that occurs at some level. I do think head-to-head cabs are ideal because they avoid this problem.

One point I’d like to make is that I’m not a fan of custom controllers combined with button config. If anyone ever got used to directional buttons and laid them out in an unorthodox straight “LDRU” format, he could potentially be a monster with grapplers.

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Everyone saying that finding CPSII ST is difficult hasn’t taken the time to look. The games are always coming up on forums like KLOV.com, Neo-geo.com, and arcadeotaku.com (UK site be wary of the shipping costs).

Now for prices SSFIIX is a bit more common to find than SSFIITurbo. Super Turbo will probably set you back anywhere from 130-200 and SSFIIX will probably be between 100-130. The thing you have to look out for is the battery, so when getting the board make sure to power it up to see that it’s working. If by the off chance it isn’t send razoola an email at cps2shock.com and see how much he’s charging to phoenix it. Last time I checked it was around 30-50 bucks with shipping to finland. If you have the eprom burner and eraser he’ll usually charge 20-30 dollars for the roms.

Now onto the actual arcade hardware side. Everyone knows you have two options to play the game. You can run the game on a cabinet or a supergun. A supergun if bought commercially can run anywhere from 200-300 dollars depending on which one you get. Supernovas go for 370. They come with two joysticks but they’re american style joysticks, so if you’re savy enough you can get two arcade sticks you don’t like and add DB-25 connectors to them to use them on the supergun. Now if you have the extra money you can get japanese style superguns like the sega boardmaster, sigma AVs, Vega JRs, etc. These superguns run anywhere from 300-500 dollars retail. Sometimes if you check the forums they can come cheaper. Now if you want to be brave and build the supergun yourself you will spend around 130 dollars in parts if you decide to use DB-25s to the sticks. If you decide to get a little fancier and add PS1/2 joystick support than expect to spend around 230 for parts. The parts will include a JROK encoder version 4.1 with component support, a cheap ATX power supply, the jamma harness, the connectors, and two of laugh’s DB-25 to psx converters. At least with you building it yourself you will save a lot of money, but it can be a pain to build since you’re dealing with a shit ton of wires.

Now onto purchasing and having cabinets delivered to you. Arcade cabinets aren’t as difficult to source as everyone seems to be making on here. Remember forums, craigslist, and ebay are your friend. Sometimes you can find cabs in your area for a good price and it maybe the type you’re looking for as well. A few weeks ago I found ST in a capcom big blue for 450. Monitor was in good condition and the controls were fine. At that price for a big blue it’s a steal. Now if you don’t like american cabs you can find japanese cabs in the weirdest places. At one time Sega started shipping japanese cabs over to US shores for “dedicated” games. I’ve found sega aero cities and blast cities a commonplace in arcades. Blast cities are used a lot for Sega Bass fishing with a box built around so the cab’s controls are at arms height when standing. You have to watch out for these cabs because they’re notorious for having major burn-ins. Sega aero city’s I have seen a lot as dedicated fighters with the control panel mangled to death with happ parts. Luckily you can get replacement panels fairly easily on forums.

Now for my setup I have two Astro cities linked together. One Astro City I bought from a member on neo-geo.com for 900 dollars shipped from california. The other I bought from ken@thegameroom.com for about 710 shipped. He’s out of Utah so you can get a basis for what shipping will be to your house. Now what kills it for the cabs isn’t the actual price for them but the shipping. So if you shop around to different shipping companies you can sometimes find a better price. It’s a lot cheaper if you pick up the cab at a Distribution Center than have it curbside delivered. For curbside expect to pay anywhere from 100-200 dollars extra. Now if you live on the west coast japanese cabs will be a lot cheaper than anywhere’s else since they’re all being imported from the shipping yards there.

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I live in the West Coast & i cant find jack shit in terms of Candy cabs! Also, from my experience most people who play SF are broke ass mofo’s that barely can afford a car let alone import a cab themselves.

$900 Candy Cab
$150 ST PCB

$1,150 right there compared to $125 xbox360 + $10 HDR + $100 stick

Are ST really common? Hook me up if you can.

As for people joining SF2 tourny, yeah i dont think it has to do w/ money at all. Its all about getting together w/ a bunch of people you share common interest. I go there to play best players to see how i stack up in my region.

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To ganelon,

Thanks for responding. Even though I disagree with the whole ST arcade argument, I do respect what you’re trying to do. You seem really sincere about your point and passionate about arcade ST which i respect. After reading your little write up about the trip, i was getting jealous;the whole thing looked like a lot of fun. I do disagree about the comment that playing against pad players doesn’t prepare you well for cab comp, I personally think it prepares you just as much, why wouldn’t it? But anyway, best of luck in future competitions and the ST reformation @_@

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its more like $300-$1000 depending on your location and setup you decide on, follow the links he provided, we got two beautiful cabs in less than six months and we now have 3 st “a” and “b” boards. If your still having trouble send me a pm and i will personally look for a setup for you.

in real street fighter playing terms its not that expensive, for instance traveling to evo from parts of the country run close to $1000, add in travel to other majors and gatherings, consoles, sticks games etc it all adds up, but playing the best and having the best equipment is as crucial as any other aspect of the game if someone really cares and takes this seriously

if possible have a few people go in on it to help alleviate costs, you guys will have a good time

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This is where I got my Egret II: Page Title And I got my SSFIIX A+B boards from here: Arcade Video Game Coinop Sales - Coinopexpress

Both places are comparatively expensive but I’ve got $$$ coming out of my ears :stuck_out_tongue:

If you’re looking for convenience though, these are good options. The only problem with my current house is that it’s ultra modern and there is a steel and glass railing that made it impossible to fit a cab inside :frowning: