I was never an expert with Alex, but I can do like 90% of everything he can do. The only thing I can’t do is charge partition with him.
Alex is my main, and I’m pretty decent and solid.
I played suleman and Cruise for a ton of matches this week.
When I didn’t rushdown mindlessly, I did ok against suleman.
Against Cruise, he charge partions like mad, so he pretty much owned me all night.
Urien’s dash xx LP Headbutt pretty much beats all of Alex’s safe pokes to keep him away.
Any tips on fighting high level Urien players?
I talked to KSK at EVO2k5, he said that Urien vs Alex is 6/4 for Urien. I do believe that.
I’m pretty sure only the LP version of urien’s headbutt is aerial on start up. Henaki’s right about MP and HP being grounded at startup but i’d also like to mention that urien’s EX headbutt is grounded at startup, although dangerous you can even back-HP him out of it if you time it right. Same for if he tries wake up EX aegis too.
I’d like to make a semi-retraction to my previous post. After further testing in the 3s labs and in real matches i discovered that despite urien’s jab headbutt being instant aerial… alex can still meaty headbutt him out of it on wakeup!
So, let’s see what alex’s headbutt beats on urien’s wakeup if you time the meaty right. Jab headbutt, strong headbutt, fierce headbutt, EX headbutt, parry, throw, and EX aegis. Also a blocked and ducked alex headbutt from the corner is relatively safe. So basically it completely fucks up urien’s wakeup game. :looney:
I can’t see how do you guys can determine that LP headbutt is aerial instantly and the others aren’t. MP/HP headbutt can also be used to escape unblockables…
I see, I was getting confused by what you meant by being “instantly aerial” so I did a bit more testing. I thought you just meant he was “airborne” and would pop out of combos, but now I see there’s more to it than that.
If Chun does meaty cr MK>SA2:
LP Headbutt = Urien doesn’t get hit by cr MK at all
MP/HP Headbutt = Urien gets hit by cr MK but the first wave of kicks whiffs while he’s in the air
Against high/mid meaties however it seems LP/MP/HP headbutt makes no difference.
So basically, reserval LP Headbutt can completely hop over low meaties while MP/HP Headbutt cannot. Interesting.
I’ll stop now since this is an Alex thread. :wgrin:
By the way kaikillah, Urien does have a stand up frame, he’s not like Chun.
Sorry to drag this out, but you’re mistaken. A properly timed meaty c.mk by Chun will hit Urien if he does reversal lp headbutt on wakeup. He’ll get hit and flip out, just like mp and hp headbutt. I just tested it in training mode. You must have mistimed your c.mk by a little.
What you said earlier is correct. I was indeed able to mp and hp headbutt out of a legit midscreen unblockable. Also, using some fat meaties I tried to stuff Uriens headbutts on wakeup. Surprisingly, reversal mp and hp headbutts registered as OTG. This isnt conclusive since one could make the argument that my meaty timings were off. But, I did my best to measure each meaty and repeated for several trials. You guys can test for yourselves. OTG properties and yet Alex can still grab him out of all reversal headbutts with a meaty b.HP. This is bizarre stuff if u think about it. Should go in a new Urien thread.
Yeah, that’s what I thought! In my mind I always considered MP/HP headbutt OTG just like the LP version. I don’t think your timing was off because I always got the same results as you in the past, which is why I was getting confused by the idea of LP heabutt having different properties.
You’re right, my meaty timing was probably off when I tested it today, and what it does show is that MP/HP headbutts are “hittable” by a crouching move for a slightly longer period of time than LP headbutt.
But it is indeed bizarre that Alex is able to back HP Urien out of any of his headbutts… That’s a good thing to know. :woot:
you have the two charge moves readily available like that? I mean I throw out ex elbow slashes too hoping to beat out a whiffed poke, but I don’t think too many uriens are going to use any attack that leaves them open long enough for me to use them. EX slashh elbow might not take as long but is pretty obvious to a urien at full screen charging meter with strong. The Headstomp would be waaaaaaay to easy to react to though. Then again, we play two different uriens.
and EndleSs you’re into some generic ass looking asian girls.
I’ve seen you play, dude. You don’t suck, but you’re not good. You’re a regular, run-of-the-mill Alex player that has shitty competition and is just as shitty. I can look like Pyro Lee using Yun if I play a shitload of scrubs if I wanted, but I don’t because I want to get better, I don’t want to be the best in just my area. Cause that means shit.
Just stop talking and show up at Evo. We’ll gauge my skill there, because I already know that you aren’t good enough to beat me.