Thank fuck HAV
Louffys Abel had me scratching my head thinking wtf should I do other than ex COD
Luffy’s Rose is really good.
Just so you know, unfortunately, EX CoD is what I started relying on too, when I play him. I’m gonna play him later today to get some more thoughts going. He’s the only Rose I have trouble with, so I wanna bang out a long set with him and work some stuff out.
I’ve been helping him develop his Abel, so it’s tough, since he knows more about both sides of the match than I do, but I’ll figure some shit out.
Oh jeez I still stand by the statement “any match up that I have to use EX COD in sucks”. I would try and help you out with that but I’ve only been able to play him a couple times, I don’t catch him online much and if I do we are both in the middle of sets
I think the match up is tough the same way Chun is tough for Abel because of the good pokes but she also has pressure which we know hurts Abel a lot
I agree with that statement about EX CoD. It’s a move I almost never use, and I was pretty upset when I realized that I needed to use it.
I also agree that the Rose fight feels similar to the Chun fight… but I don’t think it’s as bad at all.
Pretty much roll all day. She’s got an okay dash and the priority on her normals are okay. Because of her lack of wake up options, Abel can run a train after knockdown. Once Rose gets ultra I tend not to roll because I believe that since Rose has such terrible options they will wait for a roll and ultra when I’m coming out of it. Also, Rose doesn’t have much health so any TT is a big swing in the right direction. T_T
Obviously!
This isn’t advisable against any character
wtf roll all day???
seriously?
seriously…
Spoiler
SERIOUSLY!!!
… with that kind of statement you need to be banned from posting any abel-related advice for like, 3 months or summin 
Let me elaborate: it is advisable to roll through her fire balls and whatever you feel comfortable with for your mix up.
I’ll try to be more specific when I post again, but there’s no reason to act smug.
Rose’s best pokes are mostly her fierces and roundhouses so I do tend to roll a bit more in that matchup, trying to get around a poke and then normal throw her recovery. Once you are in c.mp range tho it becomes a very bad idea
Some stuff for Seth
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[]You can safe jump his DP but if you do then he can EX SPD you for free.
[]If they’re teleport-happy do jump in OS hk wheel kick. That’s a free EX SPD for Seth though… but you can do it so that if he does a reversal DP you block it.
[]If he starts walljumping around j.hp basically stuffs everything for free
[]Just like Gief he can OS SPD to catch EX Roll.
[]He really can’t ultra you if you roll underneath Sonic Boom.
[]j.hp beats Seth’s j.hp pretty easily
[]A lot of times Seth will do a meaty Tanden Engine (the special move that sucks you up) to catch rolls and backdashes on Abel. If you see this that’s a free Tornado Throw, (if he’s in range) reversal ultra, or jump-in combo.
[]Try not to get knocked down. The matchup can get pretty bad really quickly. Abel’s reversals really don’t work on Seth besides EX roll to get away.
[]If you block his ultra up close that’s a free ultra or lp CoD (not sure about lp CoD). Also, just like Ryu’s ultra if you’re just sitting at neutral then you can just hold up forwards and punish with a jump-in combo.
[]EX CoD can hit Seth out of his j.hp and lead in to ultra if it hits.
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Edit: A lot of this is in that video linked on the previous page. Oh well.
Thanks for putting it in words
One match I feel really uncomfortable with right now is Dhalsim. I read that the matchup is 6-4 in Abel’s favor, but I find myself struggling to get in. Maybe it’s just inexperience (I remember thinking the Guile matchup was painful, but after a buttload of Guile matches I understood how the matchup is supposed to look like). I was playing UTJ’s Dhalsim a couple of weeks ago and I just could not get in. I don’t know if it’s the spacing or if he just read me like a book. Is OS sweep useful in this matchup considering that once you get in, Sim’s like to backdash? If I can’t get him to the corner, should I just push myself back to the corner and try for a little switcharoo?
I think I just need more experience cause right now I just don’t see when to roll/jump-in/when it’s safe to focus dash, etc. I hate that.
From my experience (which isn’t a lot, don’t play many great dhalsims), option select sweep is very good in this matchup, most sims I play feel they have to abuse backdash because they really have nothing else to defend against abel’s TT/step kick mixups. so once abel gets in, it’s pretty free imo. When trying to get in on dhalsim though, it is kind of hard with the ones that are really smart pokers and zoners, so abel has to basically be patient and stalk dhalsim until he gets close (walk and block low). if the dhalsim likes to throw a lot of pokes from mid range, ex CoD works really well unless dhalsim has something like super, then it wouldn’t be smart to just throw it out. also, use abel’s dash every now and then to get some ground quickly ( focus dash, but don’t make it obvious, the dhalsim will see you focus and poke you on recovery). st. lk also works when you’re close enough because its faster than all of dhalsims pokes (except maybe lk slide). stay grounded, be patient, stalk him until he corners himself, mix up. again, just my 2 cents
Rose has no mixup, just pokes. Well, let me rephrase that, she has a weak mixup involving her throw/cl.mk, thats about it. Just block when she’s barraging you with pokes and safe drills. I still see this matchup as 6.5-3.5 just because of how much damage Abel does and how much harder Rose has to try to beat you.
One knockdown and thats pretty much it. She can’t deal with your ambiguous rolls very well, she has a great backdash but that doesnt really swing the matchup in her favor at all when all you have to do is land one fwd.mk to take half her life off.
Its tough when you don’t have patience and are just pressing forward blindly because you will run into 50 pokes in your face, but if you just wait it out and look for that one opening to knock her down… It’s rewarding to say the least.
Switching characters here, I recently played Shizza a really looooooooooooong set and it really gave me a new perspective on the Chun matchup. I used to think that there was nothing you could do mid-screen vs her, but you can deffinitely put up a fight here. St.lk and sweep are pretty good in this matchup, you just have to be aware of the spacing for her pokes. Whiff punish EVERY sweep you see with lk and the damage starts adding up. Use your sweep or fwd.mk for her far RH and FP. Regular FA really does wonders in this matchup as it makes them hesitant to throw out random sweeps/hasanshus, but dont over use it though or she’ll walk up to your ass and throw you (she gets away with this because that bitch has a run button). Your main goal at this moment is to prevent her from just walking up to you and doing whatever the fuck she wants, you have to deter her with your own pokes.
I also don’t give a fuck what people think, but EX.CoD is really good in this matchup IF you are using it right, and by right i mean not random. EX CoD gives you something you otherwise don’t have in this matchup, RESPECT (and a knockdown). She has to respect your willingness to burn meter to catch that sweep or st.mp or whatever she’s throwing out or else she would just walk your ass to the corner randomly pressing buttons. While i do agree that any matchup that depends on you using a slow, somewhat unsafe EX move is just bullshit, you have to realize that this matchup is still heavily favoring Chun, and you WILL have to take risks to win, you just have to be smart about them. Speaking of which, CoD is still a relitively safe move on chun, she really has no immediate way of punishing it, you can pull off some bullshit shenanigans like blocked CoD into lp TT, or go into second low or just say fuck it and finish the whole thing normally. Her only way of punishing it is by making it whiff completely (usually by neutral jumping > punish)or by throwing you on its start up, and you should condition her prior to cranking one out showing her that its a bad idea to do either. Once you have established that they can’t be throwing out random pokes or just walk up to you unchallenged, thats when the match gets alot easier.
Of course she can still run a train on you just because her mixup is fucking hell on Abel, but you can pretty much come back with one knockdown. Alot of the matches vs Shizza went like this: he’ll score a knockdown with a sweep/throw or whatever, he’ll begin his mixup from satan himself, I guess wrong a couple times and then guess right and escape with 50%, we reset to midscreen where we are both just fishing for a opening, he’ll land a couple RH and st.mp and i’ll land a couple st.lk, i have 20-10% at this point, i read a laggy normal and score a knockdown, i guess right twice and win (or invertely, guess wrong and lose). What im trying to say is that your damage output alone keeps you competitive even when you have no health at all, thats not even adding Abels explosive nature and ease to comeback.
Fuck, i have so many things to say about this matchup but i honestly dont think i can type ALL that without getting carpal tunnel, so i’ll just leave it as this. I didn’t even add in her bullshit mixup on oki and this post is already really long.
Excuse my ramblings, please continue with whatever you guys were discussing
Shizza drops by once in awhile to our casuals (which is kinda cool since you don’t see many “big” names go to little private casuals), so I understand where you’re coming from. I never have much success against his Chun. There is a lot of weird things to watch when you get knocked down, but typically blocking low is the best option. However, she can do jump in/neutral jump fierce and you have to guess whether it’s one or two hits or it’s actually empty, then if it’s empty is it a throw or do you block low, and if you do block low is it a tick grab or is she going to do a hazanshu. Yeah her oki game is pretty mean and what surprises me the most is that Chun has some interesting option selects that she doesn’t really need to use against Abel.
I still find c.mk to be Abel’s best poke in the matchup. I never really found s.lk useful, but now that you mention that you can use it against whiffed sweeps, that makes it sound useful. Did you notice Shizza’s crazy reaction speed? I think that’s one benefit playing on the pad. And the silence of his buttons. He has some weird movement things he does since he plays on pad too.
Yeah, her throw/hasanshu mixup is rough, especially if they can actually combo off the hasanshu :lol: But if you guess they are going for hasanshu you can really make them pay, either by focus dashing in or ex cod/tt, but i prefer to just block it and deal with her shit without getting too frisky.
Now that i think about it, cr.mk is a really good poke in this matchup, i use it often but somehow forgot to mention it.
The thing about focusing her hazanshu is that I’m normally trying to time a tech or option select throw… so my fingers are on jab/short rather than strong/forward. It’s one of the few situations where you have to be on that crap to “punish” her hazanshu, but yes, blocking is always a viable option and most of the time the best option. I hate how hazanshu is safe on block though.
Anyone watch the Combofiend FT10? I watched half of it. Most of it is what we’ve already talked about in this thread, it’s just very nice to see a high caliber player like Combofiend do it. Combofiend made standing short look gdlk.
Well is it just me or does it seem like roses throw has a MUCH longer reach than most. Cause I dabbled a bit in rose myself and decided shes sucked so left her alone. So I will also say vs rose always be ready to throw tech her.
@res : No I didnt watch it do you have a link handy?
and yes st.short is a VERY underrated poke.
I forgot to finish that sentence, but it was Combofiend FT10 against Alex Valle.
It’s in here: http://www.justin.tv/leveluplive/archive . IIRC it’s around 10pm mark.
I played a few matches against my Chun friend and I found some success using standing strong. It trades with hazanshu and stuffs her standing roundhouse (as you would against, say, Akuma). It’s not the best thing to use in footsies, but… it’s there. I found it more useful when she would try to tick grab or mix high and low with her hazanshu. Iunno, I definitely feel more confident playing footsies against Chun though. Strider, when you said to use standing short against whiffed sweeps, I found it useful except I don’t exactly know the range of her sweep, haha. So it took me awhile… whiffing standing short you can eat a lot of things including her sweep. I still think crouching forward kick is good except it gets stuffed by (I think) standing strong. So yeah, different tools you gotta use when playing footsies with Chun. I didn’t really think that much of Abel’s footsies in this matchup until now. Quite a refresher.
EDIT: thx HAV, didn’t know they upload it on their YouTube channel now.