It’s interesting that he feels that Abel wins the matchup. When I beat bison’s, it pretty much comes down to using Abel’s higher stamina and damage output to wear them down. The only comfort I have in that matchup is that, as long as I don’t do anything retarded, Bison doesn’t have anything to make a serious comeback with. It’s just getting that life lead that seems hard sometimes.
nice bison update. just saw kim the other day, saw he got beat by an abel too. (though i cant beat him lol - i went 1-19 against him at godsgarden event last time:rofl:)
Yeah i found out awhile back Abel does well vs bison I can add some input when I get home
yeah kim told that when bison has no meter just cross him up like crazy and use TT more often, that i only have to get in a few times to mess him up while he has to hit me like 86286302643 times to KO me 
Only thing I have to add right now is when Bison does a devil reverse fullscreen you can dash twice then ultra, but Bison IMO isn’t too hard to deal with until he has a lead. Only good bison I’ve played has been Mariodood but that was when I was maining Gouken, I should hit him up for games and see how it goes.
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=7766639&postcount=290 updated it a lil bit. I’m really liking s.fp as a far AA the more I use it. I was beating a Gief’s jump ins clean, he jumped like 6 times trying to beat s.fp and gettin stuffed lol I’m gonna update the first post or the moveset and attributes page with this cause it fits better there imo.
Ok, so update on my Ken thing. You can EX TT a j.lk on wakeup, deep or not deep. You CAN’T EX TT a j.hk, no matter how hard you try. My friend knows the Abel matchup so well because of me, that he was able to keep up with Combofiend’s Abel and beat him a couple of times. Heh.
I also like the AA c.hp. Even if it trades, it’s pretty good. I found it difficult to rely on in a Boxer matchup though.
If you talking about blocking a jump in and EX TT when they land, you can. Just depends if its deep or not. If it’s deep you usually can’t of course, but if it’s deep you EX TT throw it lol.
Vs Honda, you want to bait headbutts and punish. Do this by dashing up and jumping back, as well as f+mk to roll. If they try to headbutt your f+mk the headbutt will whiff and you can punish easily with ultra or CoD. HP headbutts are punishable by CoD on reversal as well as Ultra, but good Honda’s won’t be throwing them out, they usually use lp/mp/EX. Most Honda’s will try to headbutt when if f+mk which is good for you since you can bait them. Once they get scared to headbutt you can start f+mk mix ups.
Neutral j.fp of Honda’s will destroy anything you have, you can s.hp him out of the air, meaty sweep etc.
You can punish butt slams with jump up rh on his wake up, rolling and punish. When he does a lk version and it above you you can EX TT, but it’s something you need to train yourself to do.
TT of course, beats Oicho.
The moment you see Honda even flinch forward dash and assault or jump in etc, but be smart cause he still has nj.fp.
Overall this match is usually a long one, and I have rarely lost to good Honda’s, but I’m tryna get some games in with Mr SNK, since he is the best HondaI know of online and might know the match better than me, or have some trick etc up his sleeve. To me it seems 5.5/4.5 in Abels favor just cause if the match just boils down to the basics, Honda’s normals are pretty good for keeping abel out, but that seems all he has in the long run.
just curious, who are u? like do u go to tourneys and stuff? i dont wanna sound like a jerk or somethin but u say good hondas so i just wanna make sure these arnt just online hondas or somethin, plus u live in Wyoming…
P.S. excuse my ignorance since uve been on the scene for so long, im the new guy
No offense taken and yeah, online honda’s, but a majority of people I play are good. Most being from SRK. I have about 7 years tourny experience from Houston, TX. I’m just stationed in Wyoming. I plan to start up again by going to tournies in Denver. I also have a shitload of expierience vs good players in genera (other games not necessarily) sf4. Also, if you saw in my post, I’m trying to get some games in with Mr SNK, which is a really good honda.
As for the whole online thing, everything I do I verify in training, I don’t just blow smoke up people asses, and I play exactly online as I do offline. I’m not one to say “Hey dp and then dp again cause it’s online!”. Everything I post works in a offline envoirment. The Honda’s I’ve played definitely knew what they was doing, it was pretty evident. Anyway, we’ll see how things go when I play Mr SNK. I need to play Mariodood some more so I can test some more Bison stuff.
Well, the other page you asked about the j.lk. That was my mistake, but j.hk, you definitely cannot EX TT it. There’s no opening to do EX TT after block.
It’s just like Rog’s jump in, you can’t EX TT it.
No you can, cause I’ve done it before. Like I said though, its only if they did it early. From what it sounds like, when they are doing it to you they are doing it meaty or really deep, which yeah, you can’t EX TT after.
good shit, just trying to get to know the Abel forum contributors
stationed in Wyoming, ouch :lol:
any way thanks for the info
I just lost like 5 straight to a crappy Ken lol I’m retarded, I do great vs good players but randomly lose to people who aren’t that good. D’oh.
I think i have proof of beating honda’s neutral j.hp with an AA cr.hp into ultra. (proper spacing/timing required though)
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/video/niconico/sm8738896 ( first match, first round)
Im in semi’s in that SRK psn tournament, wish me luck, quick any tip svs cammy lol
I worded that wrong, I meant any of your air to airs it beats, Abel’s s.fp beats it clean along with c.fp early and s.mk.
Shit I got 3rd, not bad for like 60 entries, but dammit I can’t fight cammy for SHIT.
yeah cammy is a really wierd matchup