That’s the one matchup, (Hawkeye) where I feel Drones ought to be replaced with Hidden Missiles, it just shuts him down, if not ruins any chance of combos he may have since he’s naturally oscillating in his combos he can’t run during a combo. It also presents Hawkeye with the dilemma of where to direct his arrows. If he goes for Doom, then Zero’s in the air backed up with a few missiles getting in free. If he goes for Zero, Doom’s still going to ruin whatever Hawkeye wants to do. And that’s the hard part for Zero, being full screen. From mid-close range it’s smooth sailing from there.
That’s why I don’t like Drones for some matchups, plasma beam assist and shit like arrows and beams blow him up. Agreed though the Zero/Dante/Sent is pretty much one of the best- if not THE best combination for Zero.
For Zero being the distinction here. Who knows what Dante’s best team is. Before it was Sentinel/Dante/Haggar for sure, but Haggar doesn’t spin like he used to anymore. Zero/Vergil/Arthur is probably Vergil’s best team right now IMO.
Maybe Arthur assist would help out against Hawkeye, it’s a good assist for Dante too. It’s basically a faster Drones assist, which is not an improvement in all cases. But he’s also a stronger anchor than Sentinel, so there’s that. I almost want to say Arthur blows up Hawkeye on point too.
Ive always felt Arthur isnt that good to be honest IMO. also I like using X-factor with zero as in, to kill the 2nd character quickly, so Idk. I was thinking strider, but…yeah, it would be the same thing as Z/V/D.
It’s kind off a hard choice to decide which Zero team do u want to go for, and i feel u might want to change certain partners eventually.
As someone said, Z/V/D is good, ToD combos everywhere, but if Zero dies, the team pretty much loses an arm, leg and a sword, and even though I can make Vergil/dante work and get tod with them, its pretty hard.
Doom imo is a good partner too, and has been like that since vanilla, even though I didnt play him there (I played zero/dante/akuma) so I feel like there should be a good other 3rd character to put in there. So it would be something like Zero/Doom/anchor (sentinel drones???).
If he’s so godlike, why nobody uses him or places high in tournaments using him? until I see a player getting top4 or top8 at an important tournament with Arthur I won’t believe this. Not meaning to be a dick, its just a personal opinion if it works for you, awesome.
I think with the ToDs zero already has in his arsenal ( I mean he can do 1 mill corner carry if you master RTL ), that people will stray away from Vergil. I mean yea rapid slash is godlike and i think even moreso for Zeros keepaway if you know how to use it ( pushes them full screen, leading to them having to weave and bob though Zeros projectile spam, by then Vergil is ready again ).
But yea, since Vergil seems to be for ToDs only, I think his use will fade into obscurity. Dante however has all the tools especially backed by an assist to handle any matchup, not to mention Jam Session great and Dante with DT sets up some crazy stuff.
I’m trying to make Zero/Dante/Doom since I feel Vergil is awkward to play, and not very effective, and I also feel like Dante is even less effective on anchor. I just have trouble finding uses for Plasma Beam with Dante, soft knockdown makes it really hard to fish for decent combos off teleport crossups with it. Dark Doom is pretty crazy though, not sure how this team would do in the long run. I feel like Zero benefits best from having an entire team build around him and assists for him, so having 3 point anchors with half decent assists seems meh. Most Zero players fall apart when Zero dies.
I’ve had a team chrisis since vanilla, but I am 100% sold on Zero+Dante. Jam Session is definetly Zero’s best assist and Dante can fit anywhere on the team building almost 2 meters on his solo combos and getting 750k on them. Both have really really good future potential, meaning they have many tools to develop later on in the game’s evolution.
Now, for the third I am thinking on adding any of the three old members of my MVC2 team (Doom, Strider, Sentinel), Ammy, or Magneto. Wanted to try Viper or Felicia, but I like having 3 good assists on my team (yes, I consider Ryuenjin assist pretty good). Not playing Vergil anymore, I don’t find him as necessary as before and his play style doesn’t fit me like I thought it would. Still, Vergil and Zero make a really good duo.
Yeah, ToDs are very attractive and sounds good on paper, I mean, you could theoretically kill 1st char with a corner carry, x-factor the 2nd one and then you’re 3 on 1: but yeah, the opponent is not gonna sit there waiting to eat your mixups, he would probably run away or rush you down. But I also think its good to have an stable team where if Zero dies, the other 2 can also do their job “properly”.
I’ll always use Zero/Dante but like Kef finding that third character is hardest for me. Near the end of vanilla I was gravitating towards Zero/Dante/Tron. Now I just don’t know.
About Zero/Vergil/Dante, yeah the ToDs are nice but that lack of a mixup tool outside of Jam Session hurts like you wouldn’t understand. Having a beam like Magneto or Doom is also really nice. I would pick more tools outside of a fancy looking ToD any day. Rapid Slash is nice but it’s no drones/plasma beam/hidden missiles, etc.
Zero’s jump loop already does 900K with the combo I’m doing so there’s really no reason for me to play Vergil anymore. When I bother to learn a lightning loop combo then it’s pretty much GG on ever choosing Vergil again.
I’ve never really been a huge fan of Drones. I feel like he’s out there way too long, is too low health to be out there for like 5 seconds, and is a terrible anchor. I’m probably just gonna use Zero/Dante/Doom again. Beam, jam session, all good and versatile characters. Now to find a decent lightning loop combo…
Trying to pick up Zero (Ryuenjin)/Vergil (Rapid Slash)/Dante (Jam Session) for a ToD team. Zero would be the ToD-er, while the other two are essentially ‘playing normally’. However, it’s difficult to get in with this team unless I can properly set up Vergil’s assist to lock down and push the opponent to the corner (otherwise, he gets punished hard).
Are people realizing that Dante and Vergil can TOD with the help of each other also? If you at least moderately good with Zero, that means if Zero dies you have 3+ meters, then they can run crazy on the other team.
Yes, they can def do that. That’s how I play my team actually, the only “problem” is that you aren’t playing either Vergil or Dante at their fullest. Honestly ToD team is godlike, really good. Its just that you need to learn to play without zero first so that you dont become dependant on him and just sit on the corner hopelessly when he dies.
Also I think if, in Umvc3, you want a good Zero team, the best one I can think of is Zero/Dante/Doom.
Two reasons. 1. Top players just don’t know. 2. No one wants to put in the work he requires.
Kinda the same thing with Zero, but at least half of them know Zero is cheap. Arthur not only has one of the best and most versatile assists in the game, he’s one of (possibly the) best anchor in the game.
No one’s gonna pick him up and take him seriously probably in Marvel’s entire lifetime, so don’t count on seeing him place. You’re just gonna have to trust me on this one.
I’ve realized this. I am forcing myself to play only Dante/Vergil during any casuals I can get. It’s definitely a learning process with those two to say the least – I am NOWHERE near thinking about their ToD setups yet (give me 2-months ish… lol)…
Just asking hypothetically for Zero, since I want to focus the conversation there.
The Zero forums are basically “Zero + Every character that Zero needs to be a complete character” forums. No shame in full discussions about another character here, especially the sons of Sparda.
Zero is good at zoning and running away too, make the opp frustrated trying to get in, and then surprise them with a lv3 buster or a cmd dash mixup and get your ToD. Zero doesn’t have to play rushdown to win a match.