I don’t understand, without XF3 Strider is anything but easy, you won’t have it every time (people love to snap Strider in for one).
His assist is also absolutely fantastic for Zero AND Dante.
Zero/Dante/Strider is amazing, the team is front loaded, back loaded and even order shuffled it works really well.
This is BS. I play strider because i like the character. I stated once he was announced that i would play him. he happens to be a great anchor with a great assist so that is the position that he should be played in. You think strider is cheap derpy whatever thats ok because there was a point in time where people thought throwing fireballs was cheap too. If strider is pushing your shit in guess what you can learn how to fight against the character. Using strider is nothing like phoenix people are snapping him in anyway so you better know how to use regular strider. Hell i love to power up zero with hadagenki and go nuts with strider and thats worse than a dark strider.
You can play who you want and i’m not saying that you should play strider…but don’t sound like an ass by saying “no one chooses strider because they like him”. I like him and he rapes. just like zero.
…on topic i’ve been using zero/nova/strider what would you guys suggest for a nova assist. I’ve been using the shield but don’t like this for two reasons…It doesn’t allow nova to dhc into the big beam after taking damage and the obvious loss of life. The rocket punch assist is ok but it doesn’t wall bounce off of zero’s otg dive midscreen for some reason. the overhead one seems kinda uselss…any thoughts.
No offense, but…
I said “most people”. I know there are some that play Strider because they like the character. I know only like 1 person out of 10 people besides you who play Strider that didn’t pick him up when he became mainstream.
Also, the overhead assist is the best, because Zero gets some good combo extensions off of it, and he gets high-lows, which he needs against some characters. You can do a rapid slash style extension with it, but swap the last j.S with a Divekick.
extension midscreen or corner only?
You’d have to test it midscreen, but i’m absolutely sure it works in the corner.
Zero/Dante/strider IMO again I’ll say is logically better then zmc because strider and dante assist both allow for zero tita maximize his neutral game which is his strongest strength. Also zero will die and you have to think how your team will play out after. In zmc when zero dies your left with Dante/vergil which isn’t to bad but let’s face it your going to have to hope for randomness and mix ups more then solid play. With dante/strider Dante neutral+Vajra helps neutralize the randomness and lets you play solid and choose when you want to mix up. Just my thoughts.
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I still think Doom/Strider is better. Missiles fit Zero’s turtle playstyle is better than Jam Session does, even if Jam Session gives him better incoming mixups. I do agree that ZDS is better than ZMC though.
Lol no. Doom missles is no where near as good for zero as jam session. Missles is actually quite mediocre for zero. Sure I can agree they are better for turtling, but zero turtling is nowhere near as good as offensive zero with tons of mixups that always lead to ToD. You will not find a single tournament level competitor agree with you.
and it sounds pretty stupid to say that most people play a character because he’s good/easy when there’s no real reason to imply that. I could say the same for zero players and you would have nothing to disprove my logic. Especially when zero is better, and IMO slightly easier, with the exception of zero’s lengthy combos. Which are very easy outside of lightning loop (still isn’t very hard) Good lucking getting anywhere near as many first hits with strider as you would zero.
why would i even believe you or agree with you when you don’t even play strider? I don’t think you are a reliable source…
I would actually argue that it is the opposite. zero you are able to randomly hit buttons all the time, ALL the freakin’ time, because you have a buster to save you. strider can only do this for the 20 seconds or so where he uses 3 bars. besides that, you can get punished for so much shit.
You really don’t think this applies to strider aswell…? Of course it does, and it’s even worse because the character is not as good. It’s obviously easier to get in with zero so yeah, you can’t just randomly push buttons with strider.
You don’t get to just make statements and expect people to just believe you’re right. Am i suppose to believe this because you have asked some people in real life if they enjoy playing strider? Awesome.
Regardless of how loyal you are to zero, you sound ridiculous criticizing strider players when zero is 100000000000000000x better. Saying you can just “push buttons” with strider and beat legit players is foolish.
coughFlockercough
All Flocker DOES is turtle with Zero, and it works better for him than people like Flux or AvariceX, who play rushdown Zero with assists covering up everything. And guess what, Flocker does much better than them with worse neutral assists. Rushdown Zero isn’t as good as turtle Zero.
It’s common knowledge Zero has easy combos. But you’re telling me ABCS Strider combos in XF3 that do like over 900k damage are hard? They don’t even have a Shoryuken motion in the ones I see almost all Striders use.
I will agree that Strider on point is much harder to play, but I’ve only seen one point Strider that is actually good.
I did at one point, and I frequently play Strider players who know the character pretty well.
Most of Strider’s rushdown tools become plus or neutral on block in XF3. I’ve tried throwing everything when he is in XF3, but he can tech it, or he can press buttons before you can get in a throw.
XF3 Derp? I was talking about Strider on anchor, not on point. Two different characters here. You can definitely push buttons all you want when in XF3 with him. It’s not like his normals are negative on block like Vergil’s.
Are we getting personal here? I’ve asked plenty of people, and the vast majority of them admitted they played him because he’s a top tier anchor. You’re trying to make me look like an idiot consumed by Strider salt, and I don’t appreciate that.
I think you’re underrating Strider. I’ve seen plenty of derp XF3 Strider comebacks beat good players. Happens all the time, so don’t act like it’s rare.
Sure, him on point is hard to play, but him on anchor is way easy to play. There’s just no denying that. If I try to say Phoenix on anchor XF3 is hard to play, no one will believe me, but if I say Phoenix on point is hard to play, I’m sure people would agree.
Thats quite the blanket statement. For one, Flocker doesn’t even play a pure turtle Zero anymore, not since Tron assist got gutted. I would say his Zero play is very smart and calculated, but not straight up turtle. You can’t just turtle when all you have is Rapid Slash/Vajra for assists.
As for results…Mihe has the most impressive showing of Zero ( so far ) and plays with Jam Session, Flux has also showed to be quite impressive as well. If you still want to argue that point, you can try considering the fact that Flocker is showing more impressive results because, I dunno, hes a better player?
Don’t get me wrong, i’m very much so a turtle/defensive Zero and I love playing him like that, but I don’t think its so simple to say “Rushdown<Turtle”, you’re not giving enough credit to the strength of what assists like Jam Session can do for Zero vs Missiles.
I don’t really see Flocker rush down much anymore with Zero unless he has to. Maybe I’m watching him play different people than you are, but he always seems to be playing “lame” with Zero, which I am a supporter of.
I still like Flocker’s Zero over Mihe, because he doesn’t rely on Jam session as much and still does as well if not better than him. Flux is a good rushdown Zero as well, I just think Zero’s defensive game outclasses his rushdown game by a fair margin.
Players have styles, strengths, and weaknesses. The same approach that one player takes to a character may not work nearly as well for another player of that character. Playing a turtle Zero is very effective, when it fits your style. It doesn’t fit mine, I prefer to open people up, since I really don’t like playing defensively/passively in this game.
If Flocker performs better than I do with a “worse team” using that play style, its more likely that he’s just better than me right now, rather than an entire play style for the character is worse. Using one or two player’s performances to make comparisons of that sort is inherently flawed.
I’ve played Zero backed with most of the good assists in the game at one point or another. Alot of it comes down to finding a team that fits how YOU want to play with Zero. Thankfully, he’s an extremely versatile character, so as long as you’re following some sort of gameplan, most approaches and methods work pretty well.
I think zeros assist depends on the player. Most zero player should have or still use each if these assist to see if it fits their playstyle
Dante jam session
Doom missiles
Strider Vajra
Vergil rapid slash
Task/Hawkeye arrows
Wesker/Dante otg
Magneto/doom Beam
Sentinel drones
Ammy cold star
Every zero team should have tried mixing 2 of these with zero and eventually come to a conclusion on whether they use it defensive. And or offensive. Zero is versatile he can zone and rush down and you can select assist to fit how. I don’t know why we are arguing about team composition and assist now. Right now as a zero player your only decision should be if you play a devil may cry character on your team or not. That basically defines your team.
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Phillipro, I am using your team as my main team now. Zero/Amaterasu/Phoenix is amazing and seems to fit my play style pretty well. Now Ima have to steal all your tech, reupload it, and call it my own #kappa
Z/A/P is a pretty fun team and you can rush down w/ it or play alittle bit more passively/defensively. Just don’t steal all my swag combos 
But yeah there’s alot of good synergy between all the characters in any order I feel like. If phoenix is dead w/ zero+ammy you can set up unblockables w/ sougenmu as an example or use cold star for left/right and high/low mixups etc…
Also Phoenix w/ Ammy is also a good team. Just check out my youtube channel (Axel1234). The only “weakness” i feel with the team at least for me and my playstyle is that I usually play zero until he dies and ammy w/o an assist kinda sucks against other characters with assists lol. But if your able to tag out zero or zero w/ sougenmu (w/ handeki assist) ammy w/ that assist is pretty good also 
But yeah if you have any questions on that team i’m down to help. Been using it since day1 vanilla.
Must be nice to have a team that you can stick to. Feels like i’ve been in a character crisis ever since I picked up Marvel ><, spreads my lab time way too thin
Yeah, I try to tag out Zero or the Double Fireball assist whenever I can. I was surprised when all my friends were encouraging me to play Phoenix on my main team. (Said they STILL didn’t know how to fight her, which I guess I don’t very well either. xD)
I just need to level up my Phoenix and then I’ll be good to go.
Yeah I should do that more. Double Fireball assist with ammy pretty much makes ammy allow to airdash freely for the most part and allows her to do some light zoning w/ it if your far away and they don’t have a beam super lol.
Yeah, double fireball can get sniped by random Shinku or anything similar sometimes, so I don’t call it much against Akuma, Ryu, or Spencer.
I’m probably not the best case to reference here… or even a good one really. I’ve never been much more than a pot monster and I don’t really play anymore anyway. Defensive play definitely works better for Zero imo and I think this game will get increasingly turtley as time goes by (every time you press a button in the future you will risk losing your whole team and it just isn’t worth it), but offense is certainly more fun.