oki is short for okizeme… you can google it but the short of it is that it means your options when a player is knockdown and the other one is standing. The vortex is akuma simply performing his different oki options in a manner where if the chosen oki option works it puts the opponent back onto the ground to have to have another oki game.
oki doesn’t require non-techable knockdown technically but a good portion of the time ppl are actually referring to untechable knockdowns when they use the term. so keep that in mind.
you’ll see me use the term a lot in part because its ACTUALLY what is going on… because i hate the term vortex for a number of reasons… and because I have a basis in earlier fighting games where I started using the term.
I’m surprised with how often I use the phrase that you haven’t asked that question earlier since I post somewhat consistently in the akuma forums. But for whatever reason the phrase isn’t used as often in the SRK forums. Maybe if I troll ppl will read my posts? lol
When I cancel into a demon flip off of a close F. punch to do the throw and my opponent starts jumping backwards to get out of it what can I do if I anticipate them jumping back? What are my options?
usually if i know the honda player i am is antsy and is itching to ultra my divekick i just do the HK demonflip with a palm and land on the other side WEE FREE DEMON!!!
If you’ve been conditioning them with your reset tricks and they’re reactively jumping backwards, you (may) hit them with divekick instead or palm whiff and srk where they land or combo some other how.
@GATOR
I expected sooner or later someone would’ve asked or explained oki, but nm. Whats so hateful about the word Vortex? To me its just a word…is there some negative history, connotation, = crossup tatsu?
if you have ultra/super a nice trick is to do a lk demon flip palm and ultra once you land. You can use mk too but the timing is later. This only works if they tend to do a jump back attack or if you time your demon JUUUUUUUST right.
It of course also doubles as having done the palm which is the best air-2-air option and will straight beat a jump-back if they aren’t just simply smashing out jump the entire time they are in stun.
But… you make me ask why you are using demon flip in such a situation? You have a lot more to worry about than just them jumping backwards usually if you are doing it often enough for them to jump back instinctively and quickly. Plus walking forward usually works better than jumping back… but that is neither here nor there.
The other real option is to option select SRK your throw. But for akuma this only works in the corner if they are jumping backwards.
@ mettle
nm means “no matter” I assume. But always remember its better to ask a seemingly stupid question early and learn than the same question later and actually look stupid (not that you were… just the point of the comment…lol) And I dislike the term “vortex” because its not good for ppl trying to learn the game to have specialized terms used that can be easily confused with other terms in the game. Firstly there is some translation issues with “hurricane/tornado” kick where the term vortex can be easily confused to be referring to a tatsu… which further makes ppl incorrectly believe that the “vortex” is based around using the cross-up tatsu… which it is not and shouldn’t be thought of as. I’m in the medical field and play basketball for my college and since I was 6 so I’ve dealt with both informal and formal references to things… but when TEACHING its ALWAYS better to use the formal for complete learning. And I consider most of this forum to be help based. Next, it just sounds a little stupid but that is a personal opinion and doesn’t really play into my dislike for it. And blah blah blah. I have no problem with other ppl using it if they really feel like they have to or its all they know to call it though. I just don’t like to use the phrase myself.
Think of it like this… a noob forum jumper going to start to play SC, or BB, or Tekken, or any other fighter is not going to know what the term “oki” means on the other forums… and since oki is a non-game specific phrase its best to learn the most viable phrase. Its the reason why ppl learn English and why Americans tend to be in spanish classes more often than french classes.
as to why MOST hate it… I think most just think it sounds dumb, they don’t like that one person “made up” the phrase and it caught on (jealousy…I don’t know), or because ppl on the internet just simply don’t like things…lol
If Akuma does the Vortex correctly, Ken can’t SRK the dive kick or the palm from what I know. Assuming that Akuma does the Vortex and goes for the Demon Flip Throw, can I SRK?
^no I’m just saying it works it just takes practice to get it down like the loop…a 1 frame link but a crucial part of akuma’s game. Just because it’s hard to do doen’t mean just give up on it…also I was pointing out that it’s possible not that you should use it everytime or to try it at all without confidence in your timing and execution. But great observation.:clapdos:
first… you guys do realize the demon flips in question was originally based on reset demon flips… not untechable wake-up demon flips… right? if someone is using a reset you can srk without fear I’m pretty damn sure (about 99%) but on wake-up there is STILL no reason not to SRK if you see them coming in at the type of angle/speed/etc to do a demon flip throw. Worst… it lands. Best… you hit. But if they don’t do it often and rather mix it up… you really don’t need to worry too much about the throw. Pll won’t be hitting the throw perfect or probably even GOING for the link multiple times in a row… so don’t just get srk spammy once you see the jump in or they’ll time it a little different and safe palm in front of you and punish the srk. Seriously… its a mix-up… there isn’t SUPPOSE to be a go to no matter what option… otherwise akuma would be god tier and unbeatable.
and lord… seriously… stop responding to the trollio. Its actually HELPING to clog up the thread. Don’t respond to punch-less barbs. Obviously the guy has probably never played you and he is just picking ppl that have written threads and saying they suck and only random players he’s seen on youtube are any good. For gods sake loltima… he’s trying to argue that he’s going mad hard core on you because he won ONLINE IN CHAMPIONSHIP MODE. Who the fuck should even CARE? Personally if I’m online there is a 80% chance I’m watching some bad tv show with a friend while drinking at the same time because lag makes it useless for comparing overall skill. Shows how much I care about it. Ask Daigo what his online championship mode score is… ummm… lol
the dude uses stupid videogame scene catch-phrases like morton, free, and I’d assume pringles like he’s trying to put together his lunch to bring with him to the pizza parlor.
He’s obviously either someone with another account that gets off on having another account to say random shit with (fine… but weird) or he is some random jerk that spends too much time on his computer instead of making friends so he acts like a normal internet ass to make up for his lack of togetherness in his actual life.
I mean seriously… you shouldn’t even respond to someone with the name “sex offender” in their name. It means they are either juvenile, single, depressed, a sex offender (lol), simply not a very funny person, or in need of some form of help :wasted:
(not that you were… just the point of the comment…lol) And I dislike the term “vortex” because its not good for ppl trying to learn the game to have specialized terms used that can be easily confused with other terms in the game. Firstly there is some translation issues with “hurricane/tornado” kick where the term vortex can be easily confused to be referring to a tatsu… which further makes ppl incorrectly believe that the “vortex” is based around using the cross-up tatsu… which it is not and shouldn’t be thought of as. I’m in the medical field and play basketball for my college and since I was 6 so I’ve dealt with both informal and formal references to things… but when TEACHING its ALWAYS better to use the formal for complete learning. And I consider most of this forum to be help based. Next, it just sounds a little stupid but that is a personal opinion and doesn’t really play into my dislike for it. And blah blah blah. I have no problem with other ppl using it if they really feel like they have to or its all they know to call it though. I just don’t like to use the phrase myself.
hint hint balrog :hint: so free, for january 09 you still suck