Claw is definitely great value Judah.
Like this is seriously something I imagine Vega does in his spare time in the secret lower levels of his luxurious European mansion.
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Again we’re confusing character concept/personality and character design 
Gill took from thong-Yuda as design, Vega took from Yuda as personality
Example Gill don’t give 2 fucks about his beauty/narcisism… Dude LITERALLY take beatings on purpose lol
On other hand visually Vega does’nt looks like Yuda
As design Vega Is a mixture of HnK characters, but 90% he’s the young nameless asura who attack Falco
In particular younger version of him in pirates flashback
Then you add
- the mask of a random minor demon soldiers, wich Is IDENTICAL to Vega’s, even the simbol on the cheek
- the claws and the cage of the punk who fought Kenshiro inside a steel cage were he used to kill prisoners
- something of Black Yasha* fighting style
As concept for the character personality yeah Vega’s obsessive narcisism remind a lot Yuda, i see something from saint seiya Pisces too, or even more silver saint Misty of Lizard
" Lizard Misty is a proud warrior who claims to have forgotten the meaning of pain in combat boasting he killed all his enemies without spilling one drop of his own blood in the process. Also he tends to be a narcissistic Saint because of his beauty.
-The creator Masami Kurumada gives a reference to Narcissus and Adonis while he’s bathing in the sea pride of his almost divine beauty. " Gods! my beauty has no equal “.”
Fun coincidence (it’s not) both saints are listed from France
*BY inspired partially Dhalsim too
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Necalli also takes after the Pillar Men from JJBA now that I think about it.
He’s like Garuda x Pillar Men. His story mode costume where he looks like a stone statue allude to this further.
ASF/Necalli could’ve benefited greatly from an awakening Necalli scene such as the one below, with expendable Shadaloo scientists/soldiers quite blatantly and directly forcing Necalli to return as part of Bison’s grandiose plan for Ryu:
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Definitely, Pillar Men are also described as ancient race from american continent (maybe central?)
Like Necalli being from Aztec area/Mexico
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Excuse the double reply, missed this part
Yes 99 times yes to this
At least Garuda in SFEX iirc was awaken casually by the clash of Akuma and Kairi SnH
Necalli’s awakening has been sold as different, with Bison planning all as you said
The awakening Necalli scene (and maybe before a scene of Bison claiming he want It) will have
- built better Necalli story
- make more clear Necalli’s role being indeed limited to what he did in ASF (being a test for Ryu)
- gave Ryu vs Bison in SFV more meaning
When you think about It that’s probably the biggest hole in ASF
Other parts i wish they added
- Nash reconstruction in Illuminati HQ
- show a bit Ryu’s training, possibly in a generic woods stage (or the current “dojo” one) that is’nt fucking New Zealand lol
- Abel’s infiltration (minimal cutscene)
- Abel/Nash dialogue
- minimal Ken/Sean dialogue hinting SF3
Maybe the illuminati one will have been more complex (will have needed a “lab” stage) but for the rest was pretty simple stuff with material they already got
If anything It seem they used efforts in stuff they used once like fucking Peter, Red Cape guy or story only (cool) stages
They could have done some smart recycle lol, example Red Cape could have been a sub boss somewhere
This could’ve been fixed this easily by having the Necalli character story serve as a prologue that outlines his awakening by Shadaloo, with it starting out with an evil scientist/archeologist outlining the backstory of the creature before summoning him from his stone form. It ends with Necalli awakening, killing everyone and going on a rampage right before ASF. FANG oe Bison would then instruct soldiers to halt their pursuit of the creature and to let him be because “it is all according to plan”.
Dhalsim’s story mode, which serves ASF very little for a launch character could’ve been used to further outline the prophecy of Necalli, which he seemed familiar to some degree in ASF. They could’ve even kept Oro and Rashid as part of this character story and still had the Necalli aspect discussed in full, instead of introducing an unknown Aztec narrator. Wasted opportunity here again.
In ASF, have Necalli attack Ryu/defeat Dhalsim and eat/almost eat him before being interrupted by the Black Moon/“Getepe”.
Then for the following Bison fight, have Bison bitch slap it into Necalli that he needs to know his place and then reminds him verbally but indirectly why he has been summoned forth. Necalli loses the fight as we saw and goes after other Bison’s enemies/Ryu. This would clearly establish who’s boss, the motive, and tempers expectations on Necalli for viewers.
Later, when Sim appears after the Necalli x Ryu fight, his instruction to Necalli would make more sense in this new context.
I think they could’ve done a different “nightmarish” sequence prior to Nash awakening, instead of randomly adding Sheep Necalli in there. Like what if instead we saw flashes of him in the lab with shadowy Illuminati characters operating on him. Then he awakens inside the ruins from THAT nightmare.
That whole fight with Phantom Bison at the start made ZERO sense by the way. Was it Phantom Bison? Was it an illusion created by the Illuminati (if so why wasn’t it more obvious)? Was it all in his head?
The most sensible fight then would’ve been between Nash and Kolin, where Kolin would test him after Nash lashes out at her in his confused state. Or a hologram of Guile to see if Nash would do what it takes to get to Bison.
I get that they wanted Kage’s character story to fill in this gap. But honestly, they could’ve just had this scene in ASF in a dojo or the mountains or the woods with Ryu fighting himself. Anything but the NZ stage though.
Maybe this is coming up in a character story or they planned for it to be this way, but canceled Abel?
Basically Necalli should’ve been something like Majin Buu from DBZ, where the energy released from people fighting slowly was absorbed until it caused an awakening. At the very least that would’ve been a better introduction for him than “well he appeared just cuz lol”, and he sought strong souls to devour anyway
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Well that is essentially what happens with him. Whenever there is a lot of strife, war, and fighting he senses it and comes out to eat then goes to hibernate for several centuries. But the issue in ASF is that his awakening was left very too open ended and appeared too coincidental when it clearly wasn’t intended to be.
A Pillar Men style awakening would’ve cemented his role in the scheme of things with little doubt left for viewers.
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The cool element there could have been that Bison’s researcher found about Necalli exitentence and Bison included him in his plan all being unaware of being himself part of a prophecy… this should have played a much bigger role, specially because while they could have found out the ancient prophecy words, Nec Is the only to actually know who are his 3 targets
Indeed, more than that i will have liked an “Evelen” white-matter npc, with very basic (like shadasoldiers) moveset
They did a bit in Guile char story iirc but nothing in asf
I hope i will see Fei Long and Abel in SFV, but i feel for the latter there are’nt much chances given the stupid fanbases point of view
I don’t know about Sim, but I think Bison seemed pretty sure of Necalli’s targets. So either Bison knew of the prophecy or he ensured it was fulfilled directly/indirectly.
It’s one of the few reasons I wish they would go back to ASF and remake parts of it with the resources available right now.
No. Necalli should not have been a weird fucking millennia old monster at all, because that’s fucking stupid.
Meh. I think it all comes down to execution. If Necalli was set up properly it won’t matter what his origin story is.
Every SF game after SF1 raised the bar for what is supernatural.
SF2: Psychic Flying Nazi Dictator
SF3: Multi-winged elemental naked Jesus
SF4: Oni.
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Yeah, and each of those was dumber than the last. And the character theming of the series suffered a little more each time.
You should accept that Street Fighter is batshit insane. Even the relatively normal characters are doing insane shit. Honda has an arcade ending where he headbutts a meteor to destroy it.
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Which is not what I said lol
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Honestly, if the series stuck with I and II’s theme of just “fighters from around the world”, things would be a hell of a lot more boring.
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The general theme of the series has remained unchanged though, which can be summed up as “self-improvement”. Every character tries to be the best fighter they can be, motivated by different reasons and each takes a different road on their journey, reaping the consequences of their choices. Inevitably these characters from different places and times will intersect, clash, and learn from one another something about themselves and something about the other.
It doesn’t matter if it’s Psychic Nazis, School Girls, or Ancient Aztec Warriors - so long as they follow the same theme. Very few fighters break away from this theme, and usually those are less character and more plot device.
shrug
Fatal Fury kept itself limited to supernatural martial arts, and I think that world feels more cohesive and better realized than SF’s.
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Well that’s Fatal Fury.
I enjoy the marriage of martial arts, science fiction, and mysticism in SF a lot more. I would love if it was executed better and all around better developed, but that’s another discussion.
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