Menat, but she does train under and live with the most spiritual style char (Rose)
She probably already had an attitude for it as she travelled from Egypt to Italy to study under her
Ed and Falke seem older than theyr actual age, but in both case stuff has been done to have them be PP holders
Ibuki does to some extent, but she lived her whole life in a fucking ninja village
Nobody else got full retard explanation as sakura though lol
Sakura fills the “prodigy” role. As long as they don’t make her origin type the norm, I can let it slide. I became less annoyed with her when her SF4 intro went over substantial daily training regiment.
She trains like a mad woman. She probably breaks more arcade sticks than @Bea_Iank
That was something I was wondering, also the idea of her taking different moves from the lower thugs could’ve been interesting. My theory about Poison’s current status depends on Cody. Whether we’re going with the angle that she loves him, hates him, or is a yandere in the middle, plays a role.
I imagine that after getting defeated and humiliated Poison kept thinking about the whole thing and either got super pissed at Cody, hoping to get revenge one day, or showing off to catch his eye. Either way, looking at her portrayal in the SF4 series, I can imagine her holding a grudge. With Mad Gear done, Metro City cleaning up, she moved more towards wrestling, but I imagine she also began training and upped her skill. This morning something caught my eye, she’s got a riding crop and Roxy as of SF5 has a bat. Maybe they trained and now how incredible swinging power and can discharge their ki through it?
Either way, I theorize that her upgrade in skill, within the canon was from the years she’s been absent from FF games, training to get even or not be pushed around again.
This is why I wasn’t ever really bothered by Sakura. Her whole thing is that she’s a normal, cutesy school girl who, upon seeing Ryu, practically had a religious awakening. She stopped doing all the normal things and obsessed about Ryu and constantly would get into fights and practice what she saw, that sacrifice of giving up her normal life and schooling to follow the path of the fight, but through a “modern” way instead of the old traditionalist way that Ryu did. She met Dan and would get his help to travel and probably pick his brain on some of the basics like we saw in a page posted from Sakura’s manga a few thread instances ago.
I mean from an animation standpoint, I liked seeing the ways she would compensate in her moves since she was sloppy and learning. She can’t just do a SRK and launch upwards, she has to run and get momentum. She can launch a big fireball, but it’s big, clumsy and dissipates quickly. She can’t hover with a tatsu
I get why people don’t like her, but I don’t see her as being a problem. I think her execution is one that would benefit from a longform adaptation. Like, if it was a long, multi season show and Street Fighter was SF1 blended with a few elements, you could have her in a cameo or two in a crowd and then in the season finale where Ryu wins, you could see her shouting and cheering on a tv or something and then years later slowly introduce her, showing through flashbacks.
Not really, her case is more like those kids on Starsearch and those talent shows who saw Michael Jackson, or Beyonce, or Whitney Houston, dedicated all their time to learning and singing and obsessing over them. They’ve got talent, but don’t sound exactly like him, just like Sakura doesn’t have the exact same normals and moves as Ryu. The singer kids would probably have teachers and people to help them along, but Sakura went at it mostly alone and probably hit up some local dojos until she ran into Dan. Like I mentioned, her animations are meant to show she has trouble doing things the way Ryu did, so she compensated and is going about it in a modified way.
Look at the SF4 clip Darc posted, she’s not just the best by default, she’s training, training, training and keeping at things, but still learning on the way.
The only thing I had an issue with was her being able to beat Gief in that old anime clip, other than that she hasn’t been shown to be some super S-class level fighter. She’s gifted, but she’s not that ridiculous.
I think if you kept things almost exactly the same, but had a combo of Rival School’s Batsu and Shun from the Alpha OAV, some of you guys wouldn’t complain.
Poison with Hugo should have been more effective if they were together like Chang with Choi in CVS.
Sakura CVS is the more better interpretation of her because of lacking of plasma, but as she grows up and became busy it would make sense that she would be left out as soon SF3 starts rolling in. While Ken would still be in game but wouldn’t keep up with Ryu with a more dedicated life style than anyone else.
Attention, priority, motivation and life roles are major factor to a person progress and development.
I have far bigger problem with Poison than Sakura. She was literally in the lowest tier of Mad Gear. A low tier foot soldier. Her showing up and chucking plasma is a far bigger offense. Sodom, Rolento and Abigail were boss characters. Hugo is a super sized version of their strongest foot soldier. Poison isn’t getting up at the break of dawn training like there is no tomorrow. How did she get so strong? I remember @DarthEnder2 having the same issue with Poison’s addition.
Poison was just supposed to be a crossover character to begin with we all know that they just salvage her from SFXT. The other game she was in was in FFR which is more on weapons and the game supposed was CFA where she didn’t have plasma as well.
I remember doing a breakdown and analysis of her CFA move-set in the previous storythread.
The only pass for Poison during SF4 is for her having no encounter and conflict against legit street fighters.
Edit: found it still no idea what Secret Desire is?
Opposite here
I know many like Sakura and nothing will change it, but still complete joke char to me… the whole prodigy “talent” thing is just because one day they woke up wanting schoolgirl-Ryu without much excuse for it… prior or contemporary concepts were very different, all got a bit of reason they were girls able to fight vs world strongest men (wich enriched theyr concept)
For Poison as fighter you can say
she/he’s adult criminal in a super violent gang, who likely passed years fighting in the streets
she showed acrobatic skills compared to regular goons
being a tranny got male strenght lol
looking weak next to Cody/Guy/Haggar does’nt say much as all three are VERY strong even for SF standards
Compared to FF day in SF4 she use as weapon, wich imply she will likely not be “SF level” without it
they never try hard to hype up his/her power as something relevant, as far we know she can be easily the weakest of the game, even below Dan
She just got same power-up in relevance that Hugo got, back to FFR both her and Delgado (Hugo just was in SF3) were “promoted” as villains on par of bosses**
by the time of SF4 she seem into wrestling from a while, in her intro she even destroy two Alex-size wrestlers*, actually back in FFR ('99) they already gave him/her wrestling moves
I don’t like much Poison, for the very same reason of you: he/she to not belong between world’s best fighters as a challenger, the feel is “Bitch pls, at least try to become FF boss tier before”
But ever for that reasoning i accept Poison waaay more than sakura
At least SF4 Poison seem to have some build up to be the lowest lowest tier, but still in, of that game
Makoto was done right, Sean was done right, sakura was an error imho
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PS: the pink fireball was something she got from FFR… still weird lol
Poison >>>> Sakura any day of the week
Her membership in Mad Gear is a negative because she is the weakest member in the entire gang. Hugo and Andore are not the same person. So her “getting the same power up as Hugo” makes zero sense. Here is the Mad Gear Tier list from FF1 top to bottom. At work on my phone, so I may miss a few.
She isn’t even elite among the Mad Gear scrubs, only the Molotov cocktail guys are weaker if you count the. She is literaly the random thug that gets bopped by the hero with zero effort in your typic kung fu film. Even Sean and Dan would come in around 7 or 8.
Nothing says people can’t move past tiers. Like I said in my post, she seems really focused on wrestling and getting her own league going. Her ambition may have increased due to getting walloped by Cody and being pissed that 1.) No more Mad Gear, so she’s gonna have to try something else to make a living 2.) She, being so weak, got humiliated badly by Cody when under Mad Gear, no one would ever get in her face.
In universe, Final Fight was in the 80s before the sliding time scale, SF4 takes place in the mid 90s (96? 97?) SF III takes place in 98/99. That’s years and years of stuff that she could have changed up since then.
The real reason is the devs liked her design and thought let’s get another hot character in game, in universe is whatever they want, really. We haven’t been shown how she matches up against anyone else, she could be below Dan but evens things out with the riding crop ki-dispersal and dirty tricks.
Also, when I say training, it doesn’t have to be Ryu style going to the mountains. She could have gone hardcore wrestle nerd and asked Hugo to give her tips, tried out different things.
It’s not from from FFR the projectile was totally different, and Capcom had different perception regarding Poison movesets comparing it from FFR to USF4 and even CFA.
The only thing that was similar to each other was the color being PINK. If you would take a look more closer in the overall with the poison FFR to SFXT they were different. FFR as a reminder was develop by a defunct studio(Studio 8) not Capcom in Japan.
Even most of the fighter was envisioned differently that includes HUGO, Cody and Guy, because those were designed by a differently and SF4 team along with the modern design team that is with SFXT didn’t take cues on it for there modern interpretation on SF4.
The projectile thing was just because she was imported from SFXT which is a crossover game.
For Capcom to fix this they should remove the plasma special, since Ki manipulation isn’t her thing, even the likes of Guy didn’t have some sort of projectile. His FF3 attack with fire never made it.
Quoting old post here in discourse is really terrible, that the videos needs to be outside the quotes.
I’m not saying she can’t move up tiers. She most certainly can. It is just that her post Mad Gear life seems to focus on managing wrestlers. I have nothing against Poison as character. I find her more interesting than Sakura. Setting feelings aside her in universe power increase, from a narrative standpoint, is weak. That doesn’t preclude them from repeating what they did with Sakura. Adding in something that shows why shes gotten so strong. Doesn’t nees to be elaborate. It could just be her in the ring training with Yoko Harmegeddon or Black Widow for example.
It wasn’t really a “fireball” she was throwing as if you look closely she’s actually throwing a pair of her handcuffs that she has hanging off of her hips. The handcuffs are coated with a pink energy which i can assume is ki but even so it doesn’t make sense for her to be able to manipulate such an energy. The fact that ki manipulation is something that not even the Mad Gear bosses can even do just shows she’s really not deserving of it. Her fighting style is based on dirty street fighting like Cody’s so it would only make sense that being that she was a low tier MG member she would use more dirty tactics incorporated into her style. Which is why I brought up the use of the Molotovs as they could’ve been a different type of projectile then what were used to seeing. It could’ve been thrown at different arcs like Sim’s Yoga Fire in SFV and the EX version could’ve spread a carpet of flame like Sim’s VT1.
Yet all other points stands, and even in the ranking thing they already promoted her as above normal minions, back to FFR (likely because they wanted a “female” char)
If you ask them to do same ranking by FFR time (or SF4 time) Poison will of course ranks higher than most not-bosses
Also agree with Poison being weaker than Dan and Sean, both have much more legit background, even being joke chars
Wich is exactly the point… life-long criminal tranny heavy into wrestling and street fights, even armed with a weapon was probably the weakest of the weakest, if put into the SF level
I can think much better fighter characters to get a SF slot, but sound just as articulated justification like they did for other characters
Sakura literally was a skinny schoolgirl that at some point became SF level (and not even in as the weakest) because “talent”
Why sound some bs to justify schoolgirl-Ryu to be in?
Reality is sakura was included just to please some kind of demographic that love that stuff, i don’t see much point try harder searching truths beyond that… they did’nt either, wich is why they did’nt even bothered build up a story lol
Wich they can, as it’s theyr game… but there’s no doubt was atypical, as they built a “legit” explanation for every other contender, while being honest sakura’s whole concept is being an “anime schoolgirl who can throw hados and srks lololol” for an audience that like (and by default accept) it
Wich is why i said still weird, she should not have ki control neither in FFR or SF4 lol, just pointed there was where they got the pink ki idea
On general FFR gave characters power/moves that does’nt seem even canon, example Cody got a fire punch and shit like that lol
I agree, as i said they should have pushed on that kind of stuff rather than pretend she’s SF level with ki-powered specials and shit
As said the way to make him/her dangerous was Dampierre’s way lol
Not every thug in SF universe makes them automatically relevant
Being Male doesn’t make you up high in SF universe. Gender and Sexuality doesn’t change advantage in the mythos. There are female that are stronger than males in the mythos.
The thing is Poison isn’t Dampierre in personality and craftiness. Even in style of fighting Poison is already establish multiple times in various games, Dampierre’s craftiness and mischievousness is far from Poison’s mythos. Poison is more of a show off and f*ck it, I got Hugo or weapon rather than pulling creative ways to attack.
All Capcom should do is like what others mention just include of her having training for wresting in future bio. That’s the only thing that would fit Poison improve and progress in wrestling than radically change her to something inappropriate to her later character development. Wrestling works with her along with Hugo as a tandem as she progress in the story without complication.
IIRC, Final Fight Revenge isn’t canon. I wish it were simply because Cody being imprisoned actually made sense. Wasn’t screwed over by dirty cops?
Side Note: These type of exchanges are what I like about this thread. Feels nice to post something besides gifs and snarky one liners.
Yes it was’nt, but still it can show theyr will to work on this or that char, showing eventually some good ideas that will recycle in future… in this case for good or for bad elements of SFxT/SF4 Poison are born there
I also liked how they reimagined El Gado, the whole shady sneaky grappler who break bones new element really suited him imho
Yeah, let’s say that some endings were cool and will enrich… like showing Cody arrested
On other hand you got stuff like Guy ending up doing meditation to not become zombie-Guy because zombie-Belger infected him LOL
More than canonize the entire game more wise should be just pick the good parts
As reminder also the defunct Studio 8 is also the developer of FF Street Wise and the cancelled Final Fight Seven Sons which you take control as Dean.
All of those titles were also never considered canon same as the game were Poison was played like CFA. Poison in FFR has nothing to do with the rest of incarnation from both SFXT and CFA.
Nowadays FF would benefits as to play like Dynasty Warrior in modern times or a Battle Royale set in Metro City.
I know Dead Rising get’s it mostly especially with the Super Ultra Dead Rising EX+a but FF needs to return. Even Double Dragon made a decent comeback.
It would have been interesting arcade game than a console game and if was release not farther than 2003.
Ah I get your point, yeah, the lore nerd in me would appreciate something like that.
Heh agreed. Exchanges of ideas is welcome, even if we’re not all agreeing on something it’s nice to see where we’re coming from.
Yeah, I can agree on that. Take some of the cool stuff, leave the Zombies in the ground to rot, we don’t need that hah.