lol- it was random - but speaking of random… my old team is jill storm strange.
i have picked up a morrigan storm doom team and playing Morrigan is EYE opening. the advantages that she has over Storm is SAD. With Storm i never knew how hard i was working to kill characters. Morrigan can hit confirm a full combo so easily, control the pacing of a match, and has alot of health for the kind of character she is. Morrigan’s my point so when Storm comes into play all i think is,“DAMN Why cant Storm UNFLY like that.” LOL
Anyway, you should really add Morrigan to your Storm team so Storm can also spam hailstorm. : )
I still use Storm/Sentinel/Morrigan team.
If I will have time, I will really try to replace sentinel with Zero.
Just two Storm teams that people look into:
Zero/Storm/Dante
Spencer/Storm/Doom
Very good neutrally and offer Storm the damage she needs of a DHC.
Oh, and the Spencer/Storm THC is ridiculous.
RayRay was asked for the most optimal Storm team during a chat at Bum’s house. He stated Storm(ww),Virgil(rapidslash),Doom(beam) -(he stressed in that order-)was the most optimal team,. it was a side team he was playing for awhile. He think Virgil gives Storm the damage and the best assist for her is beam.
Beam hurts Storm too much. Too much scaling as is and still doesn’t help her build meter. Not like Rapid Slash helps much either outside the corner. I would so far to say that Arrows, Hawkeye or Task, would be much better than a beam as they don’t scale as much and are generally faster.
It seems to me like those teams would benefit more to not have Storm on them at all.
That shows me his limited knowledge of storm and her playstyle, their trying to play her like she’s magneto. What storm needs is and assist that’s active for a long time or that holds the opponent in blockstun so she can attempt a high/low mix-up or run away.
So I’ve been back labbing with her again. I feel PacStrife was on to something with his combo variant. Since the combo brings you to ground level you get a couple of options to play with while having super jump activated. The hard knockdown opens up raw tag options for characters who can OTG and finish combos, Doom and Dante come to mind off top, allowing you to increase damage output for her. If you don’t want to raw tag some assist can now hold off of normal attacks so she can fly cancel into her fly reps for more meter and double typhoon setups. Most importantly since she can’t kill off one hit without XF you can choose to save the meter and go into a wakeup mixup using assists thanks to the hard knockdown.
I agree, I’ve been doing that version at every opportunity. It’s functional, fun, has a ton of corner carry and has a few tricks of its own.
Which reminds me, I’ve been playing with Double Typhoon lately and if you can find uses for it, its super specific nature totally belies how useful it is in those specific situations.
I’m assuming you mean the assist. I was contemplating using it with a keep away team. But yeah I was using the new combo yesterday against folks. I was able to get a decent amount of damage plus meter after the raw tag with Doom in the corner.
Messing around with this raw tag stuff again. I was able to get a pickup with Wesker Deadpool and Wolverine as well. It should go without saying that you have time to use an assist as well
I asked in the team building thread, but I’ll ask here also:
How do we feel about Felicia Storm Akuma?
Oh snap, I haven’t been checking the other threads.
Well, I guess it’s more about how YOU feel about that team, right?
I actually played Felicia/Storm for a bit. It feels very fragile and doesn’t have a dominating presence. You really have to work on convincing your opponent to not leave the ground so the team can do its thing. That was my initial impression of it; I only played it for about three weeks.
Just for discussion, what does everyone think of Justin Wong’s Storm. He has brought alot of attention to her and shown the non-Storm players her potential. What is he great at with her? What’s does he need improvement with her? I for one am SOOOOOO glad that he reps her even with the criticism that he should drop her( which gets less the more he wins w/ her).
PS- HE HAS TO GET THAT INFINITE DOWN if he insists on trying it.
I don’t believe for a second that he should drop her and that she’s holding him back.
He gets so many free wins from this character that it’s actually unfair.
I don’t think players are sold on Storm overall; the problem with Justin winning with her is because…Justin is winning with her. If it were anybody else, people would probably be thinking more positively of Storm. Justin is at that level in the conscience of the majority of players that it’s less about him being good with Storm and Storm bringing her strengths to the team and more about Justin being able to win even with a character like Storm. Remember, this is the guy that was playing Iron Fist–players are more likely to credit Justin because he’s Justin and not because he can bring out Storm’s strengths and that the team is well suited to her, regardless of whether or not Justin is running a Storm-centered team.
As for improvement, it’s hard to say. I agree that he does need to solidify the infinite. Even if it’s the simple j.H loop and not the optimal infinite, he would do well to incorporate them into his gameplay. Infinites essentially make Storm a conditionally high damage character and I don’t think there’s any reason to not learn any of her infinite variations, considering how easy some of them are to perform.
I want to say Justin should work more instant overheads into his gameplay, but this brings up two very interesting points about his play:
1] Nobody ever blocks Justin’s Storm low. Ever. Whether people don’t normally play against Storm and the tridash just makes them scared (whereas Magneto’s tridash j.L is a VERY REAL problem while Storm’s isn’t nearly as good) or they’re trying to outguess him or what, people just don’t ever block him low. For better or worse, that’s how it is. I can’t even hate! With that, there’s no reason to go through the effort of setting up overheads, which brings me to
2] The instant overheads I think are less “visible” than people make them seem, but do take some setup (which may or may not, in turn, clue an opponent in to what’s going on) (but then again, NOBODY EVER BLOCKS JUSTIN LOW so to hell with what people might be “thinking” when playing this game). I find that the majority of Justin’s confirms comes from rapid fire c.Ls into Tatsu assist from Akuma; with this, even if his c.Ls are blocked, he gets to run more game while the opponent is blocking purple feet. If they get hit, it’s free j.H airdash combos into Hail Storm and from here, if Wolverine is in he gets free Berderper Charge and if Wolverine is down, he can elect to DHC into purple lasers for the KO or stay fullscreen and throw wind with Storm.
The way Justin plays the team, there’s never a reason for him to go out of his way to setup a real high/low mixup unless he sniffs something out.
As for an overall opinion, I truly hate to admit it (only because the team doesn’t seem like it), but this might be very close to a SUPER STRONG Storm team. I’m not talking about just good, but almost optimal. The team is effortless in the sense that the only work you have to put in is being a good player and not screwing up any bad matchups Wolverine might have on point. The team’s set play is so natural and requires very little situational “upkeep”, if you will–that is, the plays rarely need large tweaks based on the current situation (characters/health/meter/position/etc.) to function at max capacity. That said, I think the potential for the team is relatively okay…there are certainly better teams in the game, but this team is very very close to probably the best Storm team, I think.
(Also, I haven’t forgotten about updating this. You’ll just have to take my word on this one.)
He’s obviously great with her movement. I can never make my Storm glide and move as graceful and proficiently as he does. As for improvements? Hard to say. He keeps wining with the way he plays her, so I guess there’s no real need to change. Still I just don’t approve of any Storm player who does not incorporate lightning attack/and lightning sphere reps into their combos. And I find it baffling that he refuses to do so. They’re not hard to do at all and the reward is so much greater imo. He often goes for her infinite to maximize damage(sometimes not always successfully) so I don’t know why he doesn’t have that mindset when he lands certain hits with the character. Doing jump loops just isn’t the best way to go with Storm sometimes.
I’m glad he reps Storm too but I don’t think he’s changed people’s minds about her. I used to think really positively about Storm and I’ll never drop her from my team compositions, but she really is just a badly designed character. I wish Capcom hadn’t screwed her over this badly.
I used to think that (regarding Justin using the same j.H reps in all his combos) but again, almost ALL of his damage comes from c.L into Tatsu assist. I don’t think Storm even has combo routes off of that combination that are advanced. She MIGHT have Lightning Attack combo routes off of raw Tatsu assist, but Justin is consistently nailing like 3 c.Ls before Tatsu even hits, which limits what he can do. Considering Storm’s weaknesses, he’d probably rather hit the easy stuff since Hail Storm and Lightning Storm are where most of her damage come from anyway.
I do feel you though. I will actually be super happy the day Justin goes into the S > sj.H ADD(F) > sj.H route. If he actually does Lightning Sphere combos, I may even smile. Until then, I’m satisfied knowing that he is still repping her pretty well. And who knows? He may be trying routes off of c.L > Tatsu that we might not even know yet (unlikely) or don’t think are worth it. Either way, he’s doing well, she’s doing well. His Storm improving at a high level could be very interesting to see (infinites, solo combo routes, double Hail Storms, etc.).
Regarding your point about Storm’s design, I do wish that Capcom had paid more attention to how character design was handled in this game, but you can tell that not only was character design all over the place, but also that a specific group of characters was put under a very potent microscope and essentially rebalanced into MvC2 and not necessarily redesigned for MvC3. Either way, it’s unfortunate, but she’s still super fun and she brings real and measurable strength to teams.
Yeah I don’t use tatsu assist so I’m not sure what combo combinations Justin can get off that with Storm. It might just be jump loops. I’m mainly referring to when he comes crashing down from sjh with a raw air S ( or unblockable S as some commentators love to call it). With no assist in play and he’s landed that raw s, that’s when he should be going into LA/Lightning sphere reps imo. Especially when his Storm is working solo after his other characters have been killed off. That’s when you really can’t waste the few openings and hits you get with her with standard jump loops. It just makes me cringe when he does that. Storm’s not like other characters in that she can easily get a hit in. When she does, you really gotta make em count, and a 550K combo just doesn’t cut it.
But it’s like you said. Who am I to criticize really? He’s winning with her with his tactics, so it’s all good I guess. And ugh, Storm’s design! If I start talking about it I’ll be ranting with a wall of text for days.
Since Justin’s Evo run there has been a steady increase of Storm players online, i know to forum monsters that means very little but his play has definitely increased her profile and people playing her. I not delusional to think she’s top-tier but i think she’s really under estimated. Fchamp was on stream playing her and stating how unrated she was. There’s a reason Cloud x-factor Storm everytime he plays Justin. Cloud has stated her fears Justin’s Storm the most.
I asked Justin in his chat stream to rate his Storm verses PRIME Fanatiq and Dios X. He stated that he thought his was the best overall, that Fanatiq’s Storm was really good but that drones really help Fanatiq’s Storm look better than she was. He also stated that he had the best rushdown.
On stream Justin has shown he can do all of Storm’s Combos when he is practicing/training. He does lightning attack/ lightning sphere combos, he has team combos w/ Storm and akuma’s tatsu. He does team x-factor combos, unblockables ect. he just claims over and over that in competition LA/LS combos are too finicky and inconsistent for basically the same amount of damage his H loops gets him.
I agree i can’t get a grasp of what type of character Capcom thought she should be. She seems kind of unfinished to me.
off topic
I know this maybe a controversial statement but i think Storm should ALWAYS be in the 2nd slot. Where you not only have access to one of the best DHC and her infinite. in my opinion STORM’s TRUE potential lies in x-factor 2/3 where alot of her problems(speed,damage and chip) are fixed.
I don’t think Storm being relegated to the 2 spot is terribly controversial. 
And Saturius, I wasn’t saying you’re not one to criticize. I was just saying it’s difficult for you (or I or anyone who is not at that level) to offer criticisms regarding Justin’s Storm because she’s pretty basic overall but he’s getting so much success with her (sometimes strictly because of her strengths). It’s difficult to say, “Yeah, he should work on this!” when he COULD (and probably SHOULD) work on that thing, but takes out high level competition with 3 hits into Hail Storm. I think, in general, the criticism is good because when the next big Storm player arrives, if they can have a more advanced and complete Storm and can perform her better (if not optimal) tactics and combo routes, then we can dissect that player down and see what works and what doesn’t also. Success is good, but there’s always a way to improve.
AND IF ANY OF YOU want to talk about Storm’s character design, this is the place to do it! You’re not off topic here and we can theory fight with this as much as we like! Please, share your opinions!