locust – our minds don’t change because we evolved it already, to this state.
for instance, i used to play with akuma. and i LOVED to use his SA3. no matter what people said, i used his SA3 because it was FUN to use. but even i knew that SA1 was better in ALL aspects. but hey, SA3 is still good. right? :rolleyes:
EXCUSE ME arcticninja
Who are you to call me a random scrub?
Had anyone heard of your BIG NAME in US?
or… have you won any tournaments?
what is the highest rank you’ve achieve?
I am curious of what made you said that?
or u are just one of mopreme’s dog!!? Haahaaa~
Actually I am not say mopreme is wrong, I just want show what my view is.
Lots of ppl underestimate the use of Denjin, just becoz there is no exceptional Denjin players on the net doesnt mean it is bad super.
I agree with Locust in most ways, therefore I dun want to discuss or argue which super is the best of Ryu.
most people fail to grasp the concept of “winning”. those are the people who like to use denjin. :lol:
errrr…I wasn’t talking about you. That would be silly since you never claimed mopreme was wrong.
and yeah, I got 5th in my pool at EVO (same pool as John Choi and Rockefeller). I’d call that a respectable finish.
Damn arctic what pool were you in. I got stuck in pool 2 or 3. I had Mopreme and Mr. Matsuda in mine. I got 4th, I was so pissed.
Anyway, locust…didn’t you play at a tourney recently in NC. Claiming how your Denjin Ryu would own all. :lol: I respect the fact that you are just trying something new to see how it works in tourney play, but your opinion on Denjin Strategy…well to be honest…really sucks.
It seems to me that you realize that Ryu is more of a force if he has EX’s. So wouldn’t it be smarter to use a super that has more meter. Like say SA1 or possibly SA2. I mean you keep saying that you are able to build meter quicker because the bar is shorter, but in Denjin the only way that the super is effective is if you are able to use the super. So in which case this would mean that you either stop EX’ing as much to build the bar up or you don’t build the bar as much and keep using EX’s.
Now if you choose the first choice then that would throw out your theory of making Ryu more effective because he needs to EX right?
Now if you choose the second choice then that would throw out your theory of making Ryu use Denjin because you will never be able to build it since you need to EX.
So I think that it would be wise to just use SA1/2.
You just lost my respect. How can u say such an ignorant thing? Remy’s EX’s are much better and more useful then Ryu’s will ever be.
Yet, still finishing behind Frankie3S, a “Denjin Ryu” player.
I suppose Mopreme was the better Ryu player at Evo though, because he used Chun-Li instead.
Hey imhien, you don’t understand do you? I wasn’t saying you can’t tech the SRK(shoryuken), I was saying you can’t tech the denjin juggle hit from the shoryuken. God, if I had a dime for everytime I was misunderstood. That’s why I specifically said LP or MP shoryuken b/c if you do the FP shoryuken then the denjin can’t juggle. I wasn’t talkin’ about that scrub tactic of shoryuken xx denjin so when they tech roll or get up you throw it on their body so that they can easily tech it. Check your fact sheet again, most supers can’t be tech rolled. That’s why juggling with denjin after a shoryuken is good for Ryu. The shoryuken does good stun and the 1 hit denjin does alright stun so even if it gets them close to dizzy you can usually use okezime tactics to finish it off. Examples would be tick throw or switch up. Of course you can only use it at times where you know you’ll hit the shoryuken but those do come up every now and again.
I ain’t no noob either. It’s obvious that I am not b/c I use EX moves and understand their worth. New players pass them up all the time b/c they don’t realize their power. I’ve been playing this game for a long time and I bet I know more than anyone up here who’s posted. It might not be info that helps me win but hey I know a whole lot. Go read some of my other posts. Especially Elena and Alex. Tell me I’m a noob now! What!
Hey Geese, I don’t care if I’ve lost your respect b/c you think that Remy’s EX moves are better for him than Ryu’s are. What a joke. Tell me what EX cold blue kick, EX flash kick, or EX sonic booms(both) do for him. I can come up with many reasons why they are sorry but at the same time give you tons of reasons why Ryu’s are useful. If you dare challenge my knowlege of facts pertaining to this subject, all I can say is…
…BRING IT ON!!!
Hey Shinshay, your 2 choices of playing with denjin are way of base dude. If you’ve been reading my posts then you should understand what I’ve been trying to say but you don’t. Should I explain it again for the billionth time?
Make sense? Yes, at some point Ryu must gain extra level over the EX that he just used or simply not use an EX and sit on the level to charge ANY super. That’s just a no-brainer. However, the longer the super bar, the longer Ryu must sit on bar which like I said before is bad for him. You have to say to yourself are you willing to sacrifice EX play for a super. Most people would say yes and that’s why I get so much flack. But I’m not like that. I don’t see shinkuu or shinshoryuken doing that much for Ryu. I think his EX moves are more important. This might be argued but watch how many high level Ryu vids there are where Ryu gets a whole shinkuu or shin charged and then can’t use it so he has to buckle down and use an EX move therefore taking away his own ability to do the super. What that person said in their head as they were playing was, “Is it better for me to try and use this super or an EX move?”. He obviously chose EX over super. Now you could say that the only reason he chose that is b/c after he uses the EX move he can gain level back up to a super. This thought makes sense but you will see some of these “high level” players use another EX move right after that or after a short while which puts them more in the hole as far as getting the super charged. What does that tell you? It tells me that Ryu plays better with EX than supers. I know that denjin isn’t the greatest super on the planet but I do realize how it ties in with his EX game nicely and how to use that super. Let me tell ya’ll a little story. I once saw Alex Valle playing shin Ryu against some Jap dude. Sorry I can’t remember the specific match details. But anyways, if I’m not mistaken Alex Valle gets way behind in energy and has a shin shoryuken charged. Instead of trying to hit a shin shoryuken on his foe and get back into the match he chose to use what other than…
…ta da, EX moves!!! Nuff said. Bye.
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counterpoint… :lame:
If you land a JP/SP SRK, simply by dashing afterwards you’re at the same frame adavantages you need to set up the wakeup game.
First of all remy’s ex fbs are good. And they are certainly better than ryu’s ex fbs. You can keep someone in the corner for awhile if you have a full meter.
Your reasoning for using Denjin for exs is flawed. There will be times where you’ll have a full bar but it’s not safe to throw out denjin or exs so you’ll be stuck not building meter. As for shinkuhadoken, I rarely see anyone with 2 full bars so they are always building meter. Building meter = more exs.
Ex moves are better with shinkuhadoken because you get more exs to rushdown with. Denjin gives you two? Then you’ll have to charge again. Its better to not lose your momentum and rushdown with 4-5 exs in a row. But if you turtle alot, then it doesn’t really matter.
why fucking bother? someone remind me never to read this thread again even tho i am a denjin player
yiwang – i hate to say this, but he’s an EC scrub. i’ll beat him down for you, it’s ok man. 
Hey imhien, it’s a scrub tactic to do SRK xx denjin outside the corner. However, in the corner by the time they tech roll you’ll have a lvl 4 denjin charged right in their face. If you take into consideration that you’ve already raised their stun meter by SRK’ing them then you’ll notice that a lvl 4 denjin WILL stun them if it hits. It will stun even the characters with large stun bars. You must also notice that a small pause before throwing the denjin can cause them to mistime their tech. Even if they do tech it you’ll have enough time to get in a throw or pressure tactics and if you charge it to lvl 5 and they tech then you can throw in a low forward kick which will make them have to parry high, high, high, high, low~high. Obviously you don’t have to do d+MK. You can switch up with other things but if you do do d+MK and it hits then you can 2-in-1 into a hurricane kick and it will combo if they didn’t tech the low hit correctly. You must also take into consideration when your opponent can rise with a super to hit you through the denjin. You wouldn’t want to use this tactic ANY ol’ time that you hit a SRK in the corner and you have a denjin. You must play smart and use it at your own discretion. BTW a lvl 5 denjin is guaranteed in the corner if they don’t tech. Now if you mindlessly charge the denjin as fast as you can and the opponent doesn’t tech roll you will throw it over their body. What you must do is start charging it as fast as you can and when you notice they didn’t tech roll then stop charging so fast and then it should be a lvl 5 as the enemy rises. You must take into consideration that every character stays on the ground a different amount of time and they tech roll at different speeds though.
As for your last statement. All I can say is that I know that but you aren’t gonna get the added stun from the denjin now are you? Now you could say that any situation where you can hit SRK lvl 1 denjin that you could just do SRK and then when they get up try to get a lvl 2 denjin but there are advantages to the SRK lvl 1 denjin. Let me explain, first off it’s more safe b/c the opponent could red parry the lvl 2 denjin which is unlikely though. Another advantage is that by having to raise their stun meter a little more to dizzy them then you’ll have extra level which could be used for an EX lunge kick combo when they are dizzy which does more damage. However, the downfall of both is that the opponent can super you during your okezime.
Exodus, you’re not an EC scrub?
Just a little reminder odangitsyiwang, don’t read this post ever again ok!
Alphastorm. That’s the point with my strategy is that I use EX moves so often that there is hardly ever a time that I have a full level when I can’t use denjin or an EX. Not that I’m saying I never have a full level. Right now I’m trying to play with all 3 super arts though. I try to choose the best one for my opponent like the game was meant to be played. It’s alot easier to do it with Ryu than other characters. It adds much funfactor and replay value to Ryu’s game. Some would say that since shinkuu’s bar is not that much longer than denjins and since it can stock 2 levels it is better for EX moves AND using the super art. However, if you’re close to the end of a bridge it might not seem that bad. But if you were standing on that same spot on that bridge and the bridge suddenly got a little longer it might seem like an eternity to get to the other side. Do you see where I’m coming from?
Remy’s EX fireballs ARE good it’s just hard to use them aggressively sometimes since you must charge. Charge partitioning can help alleviate this problem but that’s extra work and not always guaranteed. EX cold blue kick isn’t all that good IMO. You could compare it to Ryu’s EX hurricane kick though. Ryu’s EX hurricane kick isn’t that great either b/c it’s slow to start up but it does do decent block damage and is pretty safe. It can allow Ryu to continue his offense as well which I guess Remy can do that with EX cold blue kick too but not to the extent Ryu can. Remy’s EX flash kick could be compared to Ryu’s EX shoryuken too. Remy’s EX flash kick is sorry for juggles which is no big deal. They’re both faster versions of the normal move that hit twice and leave them open if blocked or parried. Ryu can use his on a whim unlike Remy though which I guess is complaining about the character himself instead of the actual moves but hey it’s the truth. There’s no reason to argue if you think that Remy’s EX moves are better for him than Ryu’s. I can’t change your mind and you won’t change mine. It’s all opinion so let’s leave it at that, ok?
locust:
Come to our tournament on the 22nd of November. We are in Pennstate.
I’m not picking on you, just wanted to let you know we are having a 3S tournament there. You too exodus. Come beat on some scrubs. Sorry I missed your MD tourney but I couldn’t find a ride that would stay for 3S 
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Please, do not blow off your steam when you are posting something. Keep it short and sweet. Make your posts easy to read and follow. Thank you for your time and cooperation.
it’s cool alpha – we’re holding 5 next year – first one is on jan 18th 
try to make that one – unfortunately, i don’t travel unless in a group, and noone i know of is going to PA for this tournament. that, and i’m busy already, hahahha sorry maybe next time
I got plans on the 22nd but I’ll try and make a big EC tourney sometime in the next few months. Thanks for the heads up though.
Locust Cheese: I thank you for your ability to bless us with your verbal diarreah, but we don’t need anymore talk of why you think that Denjin is a better super.
I already know whats best. You are just a beginner who doesn’t know the game that well. In due time, you will see “the truth about denjin.” The truth is that it is the hardest super to win with.
I am through trying to figure out your logic, but if you want to play I am up for some Shinkuu Ryu action :D.