And to think I thought I left TZ to come to “greener pastures”. I know Im literally asking for the subsequent flames that are gonna be hurled at me but I gotta ask “WTF is wrong with people sometimes?”. I come on thinking I would see some good conversation amongst Denjin users that could possibly help improve my game, but NOOOOO I get this. I personally see no harm in locustcheese expressing his view about Denjin (and giving reasons behind his logic) on this site’s STRATEGY FORUM!!! I mean its possible to disagree with what someone says without adopting this elitist bs attitude that gets used around here quite frequently. This is the SAME SHIT from TZ, speak your mind and get castrated for it…and thats crap.
After carefully reviewing each and EVERY single post in this thread I cant help but view some players as bonafide “japanese cockriding strat whores”. Im not intentionally calling anyone out on that statement but look back at what has been said. All locustcheese was doing was pointing out some things about SAIII that SOME PLAYERS may not have known, and then immediately it turns into a “Denjin sux…use Shinkuu or ShinSho” argument. And for what reason…other than to glorify your own subjugated opinions of one mans thoughts in hopes of swaying him to your beliefs? Pure, unstirred stupidity my friends. It would have been so much easier to have just looked at what he was saying, acknowledge it, AND THEN show him the presumed error of his thought with counterpoints that dont live in the realm of such insipid responses as “You’re a scrub” or “You dont know anything” or the best one of “Let me play you with MY character to show you how wrong you are”. I could understand if he named his thread “The truth why Denjin is Ryu’s best Super Art” but he didnt, he was speaking on the advantages/disadvantages of Denjin only. It was after being assaulted from all fronts by multiple users that the whole tone of the thread changed. He even came out and admitted that it is easier for him to win using one of the other mentioned supers but wanted to dig into the reasons WHY Denjin is frowned upon. He even made some good points.
I dont know if people were just ignoring what he was saying about Ex moves but I found it a rather easy concept to grasp. Quite simply he was saying that since Ryu DOES indeed rely on EX moves alot ALONG with his ability to get a super stocked that it is to any given players (maybe not yours tho) advantage to use denjin b/c it allows him to poke with his EX moves while still holding the “possible” threat of getting a super out. It has nothing to do with actual EX comsumption rate like someone tried to make a point out of, it strictly means that with denjin you can still use basic pokes/juggles to continually keep EX charged while being able to get your super QUICKER than you would while using ShinSho which is FACT. The ShinSho super bar is roughly TWICE the length of Denjin’s so that means that you would have to completely adjust your use of EX if you want to consider stocking your super, THUS hindering a mainstay of Ryu play. While I agree the rewards to be reaped from saving up your EX for that ShinSho are great I also agree that using that EX to set up high damage combos is equally as good. Its ALL in your given preference of playstyle. Use what you like, just dont knock the next man for trying to show people something.
hey, don’t knock me because i’m trying to improve his winning game.
and about that whole EX/meter stuff…if you’re any good at playing street fighter games, then building meter should not be a problem. it’s as if saying you can’t super + EX with shinkuu hadouken…do you realize how incorrect THAT is?
Ok sean is better than ryu because he has the ‘POSSIBILITY’ of occasionally hitting a move and damaging his opponent (even tho i won’t say anything that actually works, cause that would be helpful). Also one of his supers has an even shorter bar, so that means EVEN MORE EX/SUPER mindgames than any ryu could hope for.
Now that i have brought you the ABSOLUTE 100% UNBIASED FACTUAL TRUTH about sean, and that he’s really better than ryu, you may all bow.
Sean is top tier because he has the best taunt in the game. There’s so many mind games with a basketball. You can throw the ball then dash up throw. I used it to beat everyone at my local pizza shop. Oh and did you know standing rh can combo into his qcb+k? I know it’s not common knowledge because I just learned it yesterday.
Now don’t argue with me cause my strategy is good. I know what I am talking about.
See thats what I mean. This whole thread isnt about Sean, Remy, or Q its about different ways Ryu and only Ryu can be played by managing his super bar using HIS EX MOVES. Seans EX moves have nothing to do with it, neither do Q’s…its all about Ryu. Why cant people just address the issue thats being discussed without going off on these asinine tangents about UNRELATED characters. Sean’s EX game and Ryu’s EX game are wholly different beasts, so dont act like you are prooving anything to me (except for how idiotic you can be) by talking about something as subjective, irrelevant, and inconclusive as another characters strats on a Ryu strat thread. Now while I WILL AGREE (i think it was exodus that said it) that TO ME it seems better to use Shinkuu for the EX method (b/c of having two bars + a super I find easier to manage) locustcheese wasnt just ass wrong in his beliefs. Im not trying to start an argument with anyone, Im just saying that this “Know it all, better than you” attitude that gets reflected by lots of you is just as bad as someone posting incorrect strats. If you want to help…at least show me why he is wrong and you are right without being dicks about it. Show me why Denjin sux so bad. And dont question my intelligence by starting up a bullshit parade about my being an “EC scrub” or my “Not having any previous SF knowledge”…just stick to the FACTS about Denjin and Denjin only. The name of the thread is “The truth about Denjin”, if locustcheese wasnt telling me the truth then someeone else guide me towards the truth. If you cant just do that, dont bother b/c I dont care to read what you are gonna say next.
harmageddon: well, that’s the thing. his first first post was very intellectual, and i gave him some credibility for not thinking of regular denjin moves. i didn’t even say anything, since others started arguing with him why denjin isn’t as good. but his responses became incredibility scrubby, coupled with the fact that he DIDN’T know you can charge denjin faster by doing 360s…and then i posted my first post to explain why denjin is not as good in tournament play because of its lack of versatility…then HE just went on and on and on trying to defend his argument.
then he was trying to be slick by saying you can’t tech roll jab/strong SRK, which is OBVIOUSLY wrong. he then got stuffed by imhein, so he tried to reword himself by saying that he meant you cant techroll because you release denjin and hit the char as they’re falling down from the SRK. obviously this will not work to ryu’s favor in any way, shape, or form.
i hate to say it again, but he’s still a scrub who hasn’t realized the truth behind others’ belittling. denjin is a fun super. it isn’t a powerful super that is tournament worthy. end of story. and i’ve offered to show him if i ever play with him, shinkuu vs denjin. i don’t play ryu at all, but i’m more than confident i will beat denjin. i live in maryland. you guys live in NC. come to the next maryland or charlotte tournament and i will gladly show you guys.
Exodus! Belittle this you fag. Don’t you dare say that I was trying to be slick and that I messed up b/c I said SRK couldn’t be tech rolled! You’ve just mad me really mad now. Ok, explain to me why I would have said jab or strong shoryuken? Huh? I explained it to imhein if you could read bastard. That’s right I’m callin’ you a bastard. Get me kicked off the forums or whine about it you bastard. I don’t care anymore b/c it’s clear to see that you think imhein called me out on somethin’ and I shoved it right back down his throat with interest I might add. So what do you have to say now? Huh? Nothin’, that’s what I thought. So shut up you bastard. I’ll be glad to beat your @$$ with Ryu and denjin. You can’t handle it. Let me play on DC with a familiar controller and you can kiss your chances of winning goodbye. Yeah, I said it! I can’t wait to play your scrub @$$. I’ve read some other posts that you and others on this thread have given “props” to and I’m dissapointed to say the least. You have the nerve to call me a scrub when first off you don’t post any strategy and second you praise crap but can’t see good stuff that’s right in front of you. Oh, and by the way can you tell me Exodus why I said that tech rolled SRK xx denjin in the corner is good opposed to outside the corner which I called a scrub tactic? Obviously imhein and you just decided not to read the part about it being alright in the corner the first time I said it. Actually it seems that ya’ll like to pass over alot of very important words when reading through posts and everytime a post is more than a few sentences you whine about having to read it. Do you have dislexia or something? Do you have to whine to mommy to come read it for you? I guess you do you punk. I’ve lost all respect for folks who get up on forums now. It’s easy to see that the better players don’t waste their time on it and I don’t know why I thought it might be any different. I came to that conclusion a long time ago and ya’ll have done nothin’ but prove it to me. Nobody up here wants to post anything even decent. Ya’ll just wanna talk. Blaa Blaa Blaa. Start some beef with somebody or something equally as stupid. I’m through with this crap, I really am. I’m gonna concentrate on something better than this charade. You really put me over the edge with that imhein statement. How could you be so stupid? You are the biggest idiot I’ve seen in a long time. Your IQ probably puts you in the retarded catagory so do your homework junior. You’re gonna need it to beat me. See ya’ll later. Oh, I mean never again unless I’m doggin’ that @$$ at a tourney or somethin’. Vanish…
Not defending them because I don’t care, but who could blame them, really?
All your posts could be summed up in just a few sentences (not to mention that they only contain beginner stuff that’s already been posted years ago). Instead we all have to read through gigantic rants full of garbage without paragraph breaks…
It’s all good though, I go to London quite often and I can understand the confusion. London is pretty cool, aside from mad expensive rents and the arcade scene slowing down in recent years… I’d be living over there if I could afford it, the scene here (Paris) is even worse nowadays.
Ever been to Europe? If not you should consider it, it’s… interesting. Are you still in So Cal? Heading back to Japan anytime soon?
sigh…i give up. no matter how much everyone says against you, you just ramble on and on and on…
let’s just settle it with a match, since we don’t live across the coast. on janurary 18th, i’m going to help hold a tournament at a friend’s house. it will be a very big tournament. bring yourself, and a stick you play comfortably on. ok? make it a money bet too if you want, since you’re confident in beating my scrubby shinkuu ryu…
I could’ve sworn you said that a SRK can’t be tech rolled. Doesn’t matter, anyway.
Harmaggedon:
locustcheese posted all his strategies on denjin. Fine, no problem. He then said somewhere that he thinks Denjin is better than Shinshoryuken. It’s then up to him to prove to us readers why. (and not the other way around, i.e. us proving why denjin is inferior)
His explanation basically sums up to bar length and ex/super usage/availability. While interesting… I don’t think it’s sufficient to prove that Denjin is better than Shinsho.
The criteria for a “best” super art include damage potential, versatility, bar length.
While Shinsho has a long ass bar, it’s got HUGE damage and good versatility. By versatility I mean that it can but used anywhere on the screen, and possibly at any time (in defensive situations as well as offensive). A shinsho Ryu doesn’t even need to use his super to be effective…he can scare his opponents just by having full bar.
Locustcheese discussed versatility with Denjin’s bar (i.e. better ex/super usage). I’m not really convinced.
He said somewhere that WHEN the opponent has half meter stun, Denjin CAN be effective. To me, that is not versatile.
How are you gonna get the opponent to half meter stun? With ex moves? MMMh…no.
IF the opponent has half meter stun, you need to set him up for the Denjin. With what? A shoryuken that can’t be tech rolled? And how are you gonna land that point-blank shoryuken? It’s not an easy task…
Maybe a supercancelled Denjin from a low MK could be useful…but that can be escaped.
Look at all those questions/conditions in order for the Denjin to be effective. Too many conditions. Not versatile enough. I pick shinshoryuken over denjin.
i summed it up pretty well when i told him that a player’s view/perspective is almost always determined by the competition he plays. just because roll super works in your area doesn’t mean it will work in the tournament world. :rolleyes:
he agrees to that, but then says that denjin is still good…does that make sense?
