Please do explain.
If I could double like this post I would man. Seriously I DETEST,Loath,Despise and absolutely HATE logan. Do I want him nerfed into obscurity? No wheres the fun in that. Day 1 release of MVC3 my team was Phoenix Thor and Dormammu. Were talking Day 1 before any of the OMG phoenix is cheap crap. I played around with her in training mode and with friends for Hours on end and then admitted to myself she was cheap as all hell so I stopped picking her. (Thor and Dormammu remain) I also and no idiot and Know she needs a nerf but one air action and 50-70k less health? jeez talk about overkill. My player card indicates that I have played Phoenix 42 times and Thor 798 times He may be the worst character in the game but hes my bucket of crap and I make it work. Thanos Thor and Black Bolt are my favorite comic book characters of all time and in that order followed by Sinestro (Yellow Lantern) and Phoenix. (Getting off track) the point is Nerfing her is good Nerfing her to the point where it would be dumb to ever pick her is just silly. Will I ever pick her up again? Probably not. One air action then she floats to the ground (Like dormammu after dark hole in the air) she cannot block or teleport away to safety. Two air actions for her would be viable because then she couldn’t spam fireballs and still escape but one and then float to the ground? really capcom? The start up on her Flight mode has been increased and its recovery has been increased also but duration buffed… wtf. and the health loss is just funny Hulk can litterally kill her already with half a combo now im thinking two punches should get the job done. Honestly if there going to nerf her that badly and buff dante and buff dr doom to godhood they may as well remove her entirely and add in Thanos. Just sayin.
With the buffs that mags and storm got alone it seems like that could punish a air shot spamming phoenix
Phoenix
“shot”
Mags
“attraction…Magnetic shockwave”
Death
Heck hawkeye has a mini level 1 gravity squeeze, and ghost rider could prob slap her out of the air with his reg jumping normals.
And Strider…has all type of options.
Wolverine will still be plenty useable with the nerf. Berserker Slash is still a very fast move and with the right assist is still stupid hard to deal with. Now you can’t just berserker slash without an assist when trying to left right someone like everyone else in the game has to which pretty much should have happened from day one.
I think wolverine got the most Clever nerf in the history of all fighting games. “Swiss Cheese” lets be honest how many wolverine players just spamm the hell out of Cr L? That crap wont work anymore.
you dont know what you’re talking about. any xf is 0+0f
It’s boring to spend most of your meter on snapbacks. It’s a bad mechanic and it’s lame that the entire match focuses around one character for both the opponent and the player using her. Nerf her. Or better yet, just make Phoenix a playable char (give her Ammy life).
EDIT: Some how clicked reply without posting anything lol
The name of the game is calling assist to make your go to stuff safe so I don’t see the happening too often. Interesting thought though.
So phoenix can’t block after she does an in air shot now? What is the final consensus on that? So no air dash, dive kick, or blocking after air shots?
If Swiss Cheese is plus, even or barely negative on block (i.e. Lightning Legs) do you really think that that’s going to stop cr. L spam? I agree that in theory it’s a clever solution. It’s just that in practice I have a hard time believing it’s going to work out.
The final word as is currently is after air shot you cant do anything at all but float to the ground. Its horrid.
Calling a assist and super jumping and throwing a shot is far from safe coverage, the only thing that made it pretty ok was that she could stay up there, and avoid the worry of mix ups with a teleport, very few people had ways to punish it without using 3 bars if they could at all.
She looks like she can block on the way down you just have to fall far.
Tk shots will be the best way to go, but even then you minds well just shot them on the ground.
Yikes thats worse than I originally thought…
Hope they change it i’ll try and make her work on point for a couple of days but if it doesn’t show any progression gonna have to drop her.
To not be able to block is complete bullshit IMO.
EDIT: @The DarkPhoenix
I was refering to grounded and TK’ed shots at around a little bit higher than normal jump height sj shots are overrated
Thinking about it TKing an Air Shot is probably the safest thing to do now seeing as you wont get too high in the air to not be able to protect yourself. I do the same thing with thor on ground l mighty strike to get the + frame advantage on block.
Yes safer from cross ups when your coming down and you can fire off another grounded one as soon as you hit the ground puts more pressure on your opponent than super jumping to the corner and firing them off.
To balance her they will have to make her uninteresting. They need to go in and think about what they want that character to do, and build her around that. If they want her balls to the wall rushdown, like what I thought they were implying with all the pre-vanilla mvc3 talk. Then make her that, her power is in her versatility. That is the real problem, because as D. PH she is no longer a jack of all trades, she really is master of all trades (except she can’t take a hit worth shit).
Just give me a real fucking character out of this mess.
Look, Phoenix in this game is ridiculous X factor or no X Factor. She controls ridiculous amounts of space, has 100 percent damage combos that are easy to do, and because of the way meter builds in this game is the closest thing to a “Sure thing” if you are a half way decent player.
Doing one action in the air and nerfing her the way they are is a good idea-- because at the end of the day you’re entire point with phoenix is to gain those five bars, because Dark Phoenix is crazy. She will probably still be crazy in MvC3, so if you want to use her, learn how to make it work. They aren’t going to make her uninteresting, they’re going to make her less stupid. So deal.
I think you misunderstand what I meant by my first sentence. They need to remove some of the interesting parts of her and focus on streamlining 1 aspect for her. They can’t keep her as a jack of all trades.
Also, saying stupid nerfs are the way to go is in itself stupid. FIX her don’t competely neuter her.
Why can’t they keep her as a jack of all trades?
When you have shit for life, you damn well better be able to do a lot of awesome stuff.
I feel like the threat of Phoenix is being nerfed as well as meter drain is being introduced. The power of DP may still be absurd (as it should) but if the player still has 5 meters you may not be doing your job correctly.
Right but aren’t some of these other characters up there as well? I don’t know my comic stuff but isn’t Dormammu supposed to be even more powerful than Phoenix?
Also if we’re going by this, then Magneto should never ever take damage from Wolverine, Sentinel, Iron Man, Doom …