They’re only taking away his bnbs that build him 2 and a half to 3 meters. His normal 2 meter bnb’s are still in and he generally will do a boat load of damage like usual if he hits you and the player has some execution.
There’s nothing that’s going to be screwed about a character with an 8 to 10 frame s.L that pokes and anti airs from 3 character lengths away into full bnb’s. Especially with a double sided invincible move that ground bounces and hits overhead. Until they take that all of that and his cheesy anybody can do teleport + assist mix ups away from Dante he stays my main.
Hitboxes on some of his moves are smaller; IIRC Hammer input also changed. Some of his B&Bs may no longer work.
I look forward to the day where ‘do a bunch of moves, it’s probably a combo’ stops happening. That shit is silly – the fact that there are like 20 Dante B&B variants compared to Tron’s… what, two…? is just ridiculous.
Dante’s multiple BnB variants are done on purpose to fit him in tune with the game. In the game you’re rewarded for doing different things in combos and they just applied that to his combos in MVC3.
You are the one choosing to horde your meter and prevent your other characters from utilizing their full potential. Bad Phoenix players will sit on 5 bars for the entire match unless they’ve somehow worked themselves into a situation where they feel 100% confident they won’t be needing Dark Phoenix. Typically, this is when it’s down to the last man standing and they’ve already opened up their opponent. Then they magically grow balls and use bars to finish them off.
Let’s face facts: It is absurdly easy to gain meter in this game thanks to exchanges alone, and many characters are so mobile (Magneto and Wolverine, for example), mixups and resets aren’t hard to pull off at all. You could very easily stock 4 meters and burn the 5th one freely to end combos with supers. By the time your other two teammates are down, you’ll have that 5th bar back, even if they do nothing but get beat on. If you get snapped in and can’t avoid a mixup for the brief period where you’re prevented from hard tagging, maybe you’re just bad.
Don’t pretend that just because you choose to horde meter for your overpowered crutch, you’re somehow at a disadvantage. No one is falling for that, and no one will shed a goddamned tear for Phoenix when Ultimate comes around.
I get part of the phoenix argument is that you can’t use meter if you want to get dark phoenix, but look at some of the teams that people are rocking with dark phoenix
all of these characters deal HUGE damage, build meter, and some even have god like assists. What i’m trying to get at is that meter building in this game is literally not a problem at all and to say not using hyper combos is a draw back shouldn’t even be that big of a negative aspect of running a phoenix team.
I don’t run phoenix and there have some games where i just don’t even end up using meter and i get 5 bars before 2 characters are dead. having to save meter isn’t really a drawback since it’s soooooo easy to build.
This had me in hysterics. Fucking hilarious quote.
Though in all seriousness, I’ve agreed with all of what you’ve said so far. This might be slightly better if normal Phoenix was shit, but sj and throwing salty balls is probably the most retardly easy and retardly effective tactic in the game that half the cast can’t do shit against.
Something that isn’t more worthless, unpredictable junk to throw. Oh and give her bombs a hitbox or allow them to explode on impact while you’re at it.
Too late, more unpredictable, worthless junk already confirmed. You can see new stuff in the character reveal trailer she’s in, at the very start during her ‘flop, dump shit everywhere’ animation.
I’m already up to date on most of the changes coming her way, and unfortunately yes, most of them are garbage. I am just hoping that more changes are announced before launch that will actually improve on/fix what is generally considered wrong with her: the unbearably slow speed, bomb tosses figuratively blowing up in your face, and senpu-bu not being cancelable like it was in Vampire Savior.
The side TAC doesn’t help AT ALL against Phoenix teams, since they’ll hit ONLY the side direction and not give a crap about any other direction.
The one action per jump thing is slightly, but not so much, okay, cause I know a LOT of people might be tired of HURR DURR Snap Phoenix in just to have her throw homing fireballs X2 + Teleport, rinse and repeat.
I still want X-factor to cost a bar of meter. Pretty sure that alone would mess up plenty of Phoenix itineraries, and kinda require them to get her activated with at least one other character still alive. Certainly make them work harder at any rate.
I remember in SF3, when Gill resurrected, he couldn’t use meter anymore after that. Obviously, DPh is a completely different scenario, but it would be nice if she at least built meter much slower than other characters. It’s bad enough that she can take total control of the screen by teleporting and spamming projectiles like a Touhou boss - the meter that she can build which can turn into huge damage whether you block or not is just overkill.
Lowering her health isn’t going to change anything - it just means it’ll be quicker for her to turn into DPh. I also kinda feel like having her regain health while in X-Factor is overkill… but it’s really more visual than anything. Even at full health, almost any hit can lead to a touch of death for her - all the more reason that lowering her health is probably not going to be a significant nerf.
As for teams with Phoenix being ‘handicapped’ into not using meter… I’ve very rarely seen a dominant player not use meter on a Phoenix team. They usually make sure they have at least 3 meters available at all times, but they aren’t often afraid to spend meter when they know it’ll benefit them. When I see people get two characters in one combo and just drop the combo intentionally because they don’t want to spend meter - even though it would have killed one of (if not both of) the characters - I shake my head. Playing it safe doesn’t always equal playing it smart.
I’ve got my doubts about what Capcom is trying to do, but I’ll just wait until I get a chance to play the game. Who knows, maybe what sounds crazy on paper actually works in practice.
I am still amazed at how gamers think. Some of you are literally asking for 2 characters to be nerfed to oblivion. I am not completely stupid and think that phoenix doesn’t need changes and fixes. But fuck, all of you guys just think of yourselves. Some of us don’t play phoenix because she is overpowered, some of us play her cause she is our favorite character. I fucking hate Wolverine, but I don’t want him nerfed into the ground.
What happened to wanting balanced characters? What happened to wanting all characters to be on a equal level. It is all whining, wah I can’t beat phoenix nerf her into oblivion or even off the roster. I want her brought into line, not raped and left for dead.
I will still play her even if she does get nerfed to hell because she was the character I was most hyped for in vanilla. I want SMART fixes not really stupid ones. Then again Capcom doesn’t seem to know what to do with her anyway.
