Playing phoenix doesn’t mean you can’t use meter. In a game where you have 4 meter building combos, and getting hit builds huge meter, and there’s tacs into extended air combos that build massive meter, there are tons of situations where using meter in a phoenix team is viable.
Tech to kill dark phoenix is escapable. I haven’t yet seen a practical guaranteed phoenix snap kill, and only one character has legit anti dark phoenix tech, which is easy as fuck to mess up.
I play phoenix and I know this bitch is bullshit, you need to stop fooling yourself.
Let’s not forget the passive nerf of gaining less meter for getting hit, so now if your first two characters get bodied you don’t have a guaranteed Dark Pheonix waiting in the wings. Making it so you have to actually know how to play your first two characters rather than relying on dpx.
Mad respect to Viscant though, his knowledge of all of his characters is what won him the grand finals.
Yeah, the fact that Magneto needs meter to rushdown and Sentinel needs meter to play footsies makes them completely unusable when they are teamed up with Phoenix.
wait a minute none of those things are true at all
It’s weird how much gloating goes on about Phoenix getting nerfed, but I haven’t seen much of this at all about Wolverine, who is in many ways equally disgusting.
It’s a different flavor of disgusting – rush rather than zone – but it’s undeniably just as broken.
You’re taking a large risk using meter. It’s a risk/reward situation, and I’m sure its backfired on you.
Dirt Nap seems to work nearly every time.
Wolverine lvl3 can do the job.
Spiderman can take care of business.
There are options.
Like I said before, it’s not Phoenix - it’s X-Factor.
It’s the same way people were calling for nerfs on Yun day 1. Then we saw Daigo get destroyed by what is considered a high risk character. Let things develop before we scream for mercy.
In general the culture of nerfing is weird to me. I think two air actions is the right number – that had to get a limit, just to make the guessing game slightly less ambiguous – but, like. Arthur isn’t good enough? BUFF ARTHUR, don’t nerf Wolverine.
Air X-Factor might give Phoenix some interesting technology though, especially if you can use it to, say, reset the air action limit.
Right. And you can’t be using Gravity Squeeze or throwing out Sentinel Force to end your combos. That’s a significant disadvantage and why it often comes down to DP winning the match. Because they weren’t able to use the other 2 characters to their full potential. Surely you can see this?
Are you 4 realz?
Here I am arguing for Phoenix to be left alone and I wouldn’t dare say that.
??? MvC2 has a new clear (on point) tier list that goes Sentinel>Storm>>Magneto>Cable>>>>>>>>>>>>Cyclops>>>Iron Man/War Machine>Doom+Strider>>>>Spiral>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everyone else. The difference of a ‘>’ isn’t big at all but it’s there.
IMHO it’s just not possible to make Phoenix balance. Her design is awful from day 1, if they wanted to make an extreme glass cannon they should have designed her to be like Seth, someone with a lot of complexity in her design and that can only be used by a very intelligent, very daring player. Instead, they made her a Cable with herp derp moves that you either can or cannot deal with. If they are not willing to almost redesign her completely from ground up. She’s unique but to me she has a negative effect in the game, seriously limiting your team options and she adds absolutely nothing to the game just like TACs. I wouldn’t mind if they just completely remove her from the game.
I have run Task/Tron/Phoenix for several hundred matches. The damage difference between closing a Task combo out with normal arrows vs super arrows is huge. Taskmaster is like 60% of his capacity IMO, and Tron likewise.
Most teams are like this:
100/100/100
A Phoenix team is like this.
60/60/180
She’s not “magically better” than a 100/100/100 team. It’s just backloading rather than frontloading like you’re running Logan or something.
With how easy meter to come by in this game, I’d toss a HSF out if it was gonna kill somebody, I know that much. You aren’t “prevented” from doing anything, you make a strategic choice. And while I hate XF3 Dark Phoenix too, there IS a risk/reward involved in your meter management.
Dante is getting both nerfs and buffs. In their aggregate I think they make him more suited to a game that is looking less and less about rushdown and more and more about rock paper scissors between zoning/heavy/rushdown. Less easy comboing (smaller hitboxes anyone?) in favor of more mobility.
I only use meter when it’s gonna kill. Considering the rate at which Dante builds that shit, it hasn’t really backfired on me so far.
Dirt nap requires you to have 4 meters before snapping phoenix in and Jam Session or she can just jump out, fly and GTFO
Wolverine level 3 doesn’t do the job. She can block as soon as she turns dark
Spiderman takes care of business by blowing up XF and hitting a tight as fuck timing.
She hulk has to blow up XF and hit a 1f link as well as killing her with an OTG.
There are options, but none are really practical and are generally on some shitty characters which will end up getting bodied by the other characters on the phoenix team before they can do it, or after in the rare event that the tech works. You’re better of picking the top dogs and going for snap mix ups.
Phoenix is bullshit and obviously, XF makes her sillier. It doesn’t matter whether the chicken or the egg came first, at the end of the day, you’re still eating that fried chicken.
Phoenix needs to be balanced in some way or the other.
Dante looks like he has been nerfed the most out of the top tier characters, if all the buffs they are giving him is triple jump and air dash in devil trigger while they are taking away his b&bs then I think he’s screwed.
Wolverine is already getting some nerfs, but the main culprit is his divekick. It is such a great offensive and defensive tool, and the ground bounce/stagger properties on it are just insane. Nerf Logan and Jean into the ground for all I care.